Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On 2/3/16 8:58 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > Just my 2 cents. > > When HttpClient left Commons I believe they took that opportunity to > re-architect their code. In the end I think it paid off, but for quite I > while lots of folks (myself included) continued using Commons HttpClient > because the

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 08:58:19 -0700, Ralph Goers wrote: Just my 2 cents. When HttpClient left Commons I believe they took that opportunity to re-architect their code. In the end I think it paid off, Thanks for mentioning it. I indeed see the move as a similar opportunity. but for quite I

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

Just my 2 cents. When HttpClient left Commons I believe they took that opportunity to re-architect their code. In the end I think it paid off, but for quite I while lots of folks (myself included) continued using Commons HttpClient because the new version was regarded as immature. They also

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

Congratulations to the math team for the exciting news of starting the new TLP. Sorry to have promised some developments in December that I have not yet delivered. Our immigration situation changed and we had to move overseas. I should get the contributions out of the docket this month. -Eric

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > We need to agree on a name. My own preference is for a boring, > descriptive name, but I am manifestly not a marketing guy, so won't > be offended if others want to be more creative. > > My suggestion is > >

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On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: > On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Phil Steitz > wrote: > > > We need to agree on a name. My own preference is for a boring, > > descriptive name, but I am manifestly not a marketing guy,

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On 2/2/16 12:11 PM, Eric Barnhill wrote: > Congratulations to the math team for the exciting news of starting > the new TLP. Sorry to have promised some developments in December > that I have not yet delivered. Our immigration situation changed > and we had to move overseas. I should get the

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 14:17:06 -0800, Gary Gregory wrote: On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > We need to agree on a name. My own preference is for a boring, >

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

The Apache commons math library already has a reputation and is well kvown. Any name that does not involve the words Apache and math will require a lot of rebranding or years of explaining to people that the TLP named X is really just the library formerly known as commons math. Removing "commons"

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On 3 February 2016 at 11:30, Patrick Meyer wrote: > The Apache commons math library already has a reputation and is well kvown. > Any name that does not involve the words Apache and math will require a lot > of rebranding or years of explaining to people that the TLP named X

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 01:49:21 -0500, Christopher wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Gilles wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:20:14 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: Unscientifically, but in the interest of keeping things moving, it looks to me like just plain "math" is the

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Gilles wrote: > ...From a user's perspective, just "Math" is the worst possible choice: if > you use a search engine to get to one of the project's pages, you'll get > many more hits related to "math" in general than to the Java

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On 02/02/2016 11:19, Gilles wrote: > On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 01:49:21 -0500, Christopher wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Gilles >> wrote: >>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:20:14 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: Unscientifically, but in the interest of keeping things

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 18:52:24 -0800, Gary Gregory wrote: On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Gilles wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 12:11:24 +1100, Peter Ansell wrote: On 3 February 2016 at 11:30, Patrick Meyer wrote: The Apache commons math library

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 12:11:24 +1100, Peter Ansell wrote: On 3 February 2016 at 11:30, Patrick Meyer wrote: The Apache commons math library already has a reputation and is well kvown. Any name that does not involve the words Apache and math will require a lot of rebranding or

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Gilles wrote: > On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 12:11:24 +1100, Peter Ansell wrote: > >> On 3 February 2016 at 11:30, Patrick Meyer wrote: >> >>> The Apache commons math library already has a reputation and is well >>> kvown.

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

Good question. I have proposed it many times in the past On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:03 PM Gilles wrote: > On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 15:05:57 +, James Carman wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:50 AM Gilles > > wrote: > > > >> > >> "Math"

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 11:33:38 +, Mark Thomas wrote: On 02/02/2016 11:19, Gilles wrote: On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 01:49:21 -0500, Christopher wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Gilles wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:20:14 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 15:05:57 +, James Carman wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:50 AM Gilles wrote: "Math" is (a bit?) overwhelming for a team of 5- people. In "Commons" there was the rationale of accepting only "common" algorithms (although that was fairly

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:20:14 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: Unscientifically, but in the interest of keeping things moving, it looks to me like just plain "math" is the winner. Any objections to moving forward with this name? Phil Proposals were not all presented when people gave opinions. A

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

2016-02-01 14:49 GMT+01:00 Phil Steitz : > On 2/1/16 6:24 AM, Gilles wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:20:14 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: > >> Unscientifically, but in the interest of keeping things moving, it > >> looks to me like just plain "math" is the winner. Any

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Benedikt Ritter wrote: > 2016-02-01 14:49 GMT+01:00 Phil Steitz : > ...Bertrand Delacretaz proposed to use the Podling Name Search Jira project > for this [1]. I think that is a good idea for documentation purposes...

[RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

Unscientifically, but in the interest of keeping things moving, it looks to me like just plain "math" is the winner. Any objections to moving forward with this name? Phil - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On 2/1/16 6:24 AM, Gilles wrote: > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:20:14 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: >> Unscientifically, but in the interest of keeping things moving, it >> looks to me like just plain "math" is the winner. Any objections to >> moving forward with this name? >> >> Phil > > Proposals were not

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On 2/1/16 7:49 AM, Gilles wrote: > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:49:02 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: >> On 2/1/16 6:24 AM, Gilles wrote: >>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:20:14 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: Unscientifically, but in the interest of keeping things moving, it looks to me like just plain "math" is

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Gilles wrote: > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:20:14 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: >> >> Unscientifically, but in the interest of keeping things moving, it >> looks to me like just plain "math" is the winner. Any objections to >> moving forward

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:49:02 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: On 2/1/16 6:24 AM, Gilles wrote: On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:20:14 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: Unscientifically, but in the interest of keeping things moving, it looks to me like just plain "math" is the winner. Any objections to moving forward

Re: [RESULT] [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:50 AM Gilles wrote: > > "Math" is (a bit?) overwhelming for a team of 5- people. > > In "Commons" there was the rationale of accepting only "common" > algorithms (although that was fairly fuzzy as a limitation). > Not so with that overly

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: > Any reason why you're not going with Apache Math - math.apache.org? > +1 Yang 2016-01-26 13:58 GMT+08:00 Chas Honton : > Using the list from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areas_of_mathematics, >

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On 1/25/16 10:58 PM, Chas Honton wrote: > Using the list from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areas_of_mathematics, the > current commons math appears to be a sub-set of numerical analysis > algorithms. Is this correct? We also have some statistics, geometry, machine learning and various other

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

Using the list from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areas_of_mathematics, the current commons math appears to be a sub-set of numerical analysis algorithms. Is this correct? Will this continue be the focus of a math tlp? Unfortunately, Apache Numerical Analysis does not trip off the tongue.

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

Any reason why you're not going with Apache Math - math.apache.org? No one is going to wince if you have other language implementations in the same project, and if it needs to break up over time because there is Apache Math GroupTheory, Apache Math Fluid Dynamics etc etc; then more power to

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On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: > Any reason why you're not going with Apache Math - math.apache.org? > +1! Gary > > No one is going to wince if you have other language implementations in the > same project, and if it needs to break up over time

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 07:15:20 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: On 1/25/16 7:01 AM, Gilles wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 06:47:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: On 1/25/16 12:40 AM, Ole Ersoy wrote: Umbrella-ish is good. Linear algebra, genetic algorithms, neural networks, clustering, monte carlo,

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

By matter of assocation (and some expressive freedom). Ajama -> Adama -> Battlestar Galactica -> Galactica -> Mathelactica. And thus: Mathelactica the Apache Mathematics library I think that name can fly (pun intented). Regards On 25/01/2016 13:24, Gilles wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2016

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

Le 2016-01-25 12:49, James Carman a écrit : Epsilon is catchy I like it too. As we have a tendency to chase down accuracy, it seems a good fit. The logo would be easy to select ... It would do well with the existing (despite quite stagnant) Apache Commons Nabla

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:41:46 +0100, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Le 25/01/2016 13:21, Gilles a écrit : * AJaMa ? The last one is short while fully descriptive: AJaMa is the Apache JAva MAthematics library This one will probably sound too similar with Jama, another math library:

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 07:01:38 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: On 1/25/16 2:28 AM, luc wrote: Le 2016-01-25 08:52, Benedikt Ritter a écrit : Hi, I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous mathematician. If it has to be some thing more descriptive: Apache Commons HttpClient went to

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Megginson is a Souix mathematician , so perhaps Meggison.apache.org ? -- H On 24 January 2016 at 23:52, Benedikt Ritter wrote: > Hi, > > I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous mathematician. > If it has to be some thing more descriptive: Apache Commons

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 06:47:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: On 1/25/16 12:40 AM, Ole Ersoy wrote: Umbrella-ish is good. Linear algebra, genetic algorithms, neural networks, clustering, monte carlo, simplex...These need an umbrella. Some of the other Apache projects that do math may be interested

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On 1/25/16 2:28 AM, luc wrote: > Le 2016-01-25 08:52, Benedikt Ritter a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous >> mathematician. >> If it has to be some thing more descriptive: Apache Commons >> HttpClient went >> to Apache HttpComponents. How about Apache

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 14:38:42 +, Schalk Cronjé wrote: By matter of assocation (and some expressive freedom). Ajama -> Adama -> Battlestar Galactica -> Galactica -> Mathelactica. And thus: Mathelactica the Apache Mathematics library Sounds more adapted to a milk factory... ;-)

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Le 25/01/2016 13:21, Gilles a écrit : > * AJaMa > ? > > The last one is short while fully descriptive: > AJaMa >is > the Apache JAva MAthematics library This one will probably sound too similar with Jama, another math library: http://math.nist.gov/javanumerics/jama/ Will the new TLP

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On 1/25/16 12:40 AM, Ole Ersoy wrote: > Umbrella-ish is good. Linear algebra, genetic algorithms, neural > networks, clustering, monte carlo, simplex...These need an > umbrella. Some of the other Apache projects that do math may be > interested in moving that piece under the Apache Math

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On 1/25/16 7:01 AM, Gilles wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 06:47:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: >> On 1/25/16 12:40 AM, Ole Ersoy wrote: >>> Umbrella-ish is good. Linear algebra, genetic algorithms, neural >>> networks, clustering, monte carlo, simplex...These need an >>> umbrella. Some of the other

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On 1/25/16 6:24 AM, Gilles wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:41:46 +0100, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: >> Le 25/01/2016 13:21, Gilles a écrit : >> >>> * AJaMa >>> ? >>> >>> The last one is short while fully descriptive: >>> AJaMa >>>is >>> the Apache JAva MAthematics library >> >> This one will

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Jan 25, 2016 10:11 AM, "Emmanuel Bourg" wrote: > > Le 25/01/2016 18:52, Gilles a écrit : > > > AFAICT, the real issue is one of policy: Commons is supposed to be stable, > > stable, stable and stable (IIUC). > > > > And CM is far from being mature as a programming project,

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

I like any name that is simple (It's also good if it has a nice ring to it). If we are hoping to incorporate more modules from other projects then perhaps 'apache-davinci'? I like 'apache-epsilon' as well. On 01/25/2016 05:40 AM, sebb wrote: On 25 January 2016 at 09:28, luc

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Note that we can change the name Apache Commons Math to Apache Commons Cutesy name as well as turn it into a multi-module project. You do not need a TLP to do that. I see lots of email about name change but not many about why this component would better serve its community under a TLP and/or

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

The general pattern that I'm seeing within the NodeJS community is that big projects are being broken up into smaller projects and those smaller projects are being broken up yet again, etc. What I find refreshing about that is that it's pretty simple to find a component / module that I need

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Le 25/01/2016 18:52, Gilles a écrit : > AFAICT, the real issue is one of policy: Commons is supposed to be stable, > stable, stable and stable (IIUC). > > And CM is far from being mature as a programming project, when considering > design and scope, and not only the quality of its results and

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On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 09:17:43 -0800, Gary Gregory wrote: Note that we can change the name Apache Commons Math to Apache Commons Cutesy name as well as turn it into a multi-module project. You do not need a TLP to do that. AFAICT, the real issue is one of policy: Commons is supposed to be

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On 01/25/2016 09:27 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > On Jan 25, 2016 10:11 AM, "Emmanuel Bourg" wrote: >> >> Le 25/01/2016 18:52, Gilles a écrit : >> >>> AFAICT, the real issue is one of policy: Commons is supposed to be > stable, >>> stable, stable and stable (IIUC). >>> >>> And CM

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On Jan 25, 2016 12:59 PM, "Thomas Neidhart" wrote: > > On 01/25/2016 09:27 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > On Jan 25, 2016 10:11 AM, "Emmanuel Bourg" wrote: > >> > >> Le 25/01/2016 18:52, Gilles a écrit : > >> > >>> AFAICT, the real issue is one of

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If you decide to break up math into modules, I encourage you to also provide an all-in-one jar. Gary On Jan 25, 2016 4:22 PM, "Ole Ersoy" wrote: > Also if each module is very simple and isolated alphas, betas, etc. matter > less (If at all). Most devs releasing to npm rely

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Also if each module is very simple and isolated alphas, betas, etc. matter less (If at all). Most devs releasing to npm rely on semver only. Cheers, Ole On 01/25/2016 02:27 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: On Jan 25, 2016 10:11 AM, "Emmanuel Bourg" wrote: Le 25/01/2016 18:52,

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It's very easy to create one, but I think we should focus on small high quality simple to use modules and let third parties provide assemblies. I think most of us will feel better about providing solutions that explicitly declare the modules used. This gives maintainers a more precise

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

Hi, On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > We need to agree on a name... FWIW from the board's point of view, once that's done it's good to create a https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH ticket to document the name search. It's fine to

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

Le 2016-01-25 08:52, Benedikt Ritter a écrit : Hi, I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous mathematician. If it has to be some thing more descriptive: Apache Commons HttpClient went to Apache HttpComponents. How about Apache Math Components as TLP name? Benedikt 2016-01-25

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On 25 January 2016 at 09:28, luc wrote: > Le 2016-01-25 08:52, Benedikt Ritter a écrit : >> >> Hi, >> >> I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous mathematician. In which case it has to be Euclid or Pythagoras (early) or Paul Erdős -

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Epsilon is catchy On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:41 AM sebb wrote: > On 25 January 2016 at 09:28, luc wrote: > > Le 2016-01-25 08:52, Benedikt Ritter a écrit : > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous mathematician. > >

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On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:40:48 +, sebb wrote: On 25 January 2016 at 09:28, luc wrote: Le 2016-01-25 08:52, Benedikt Ritter a écrit : Hi, I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous mathematician. In which case it has to be Euclid or Pythagoras (early)

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I like Apache Math as well. Cheers, Ole On 01/24/2016 04:18 PM, James Carman wrote: I'm okay with that too. Apache Math On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:17 PM Gilles wrote: Just plain and simple "Apache Math" maybe? Or is it taken already? Gilles On Sun, 24 Jan

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

Hi, I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous mathematician. If it has to be some thing more descriptive: Apache Commons HttpClient went to Apache HttpComponents. How about Apache Math Components as TLP name? Benedikt 2016-01-25 8:40 GMT+01:00 Ole Ersoy : >

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On 1/24/16 2:16 PM, James Carman wrote: > I guess it depends on the scope of what the new TLP is going to do. This is slightly jumping the gun, as we do have the opportunity in forming the new TLP to revisit the initial goals of [math]; but I suspect that initially at least we will mostly

Re: [math] Name of the new TLP

On Jan 24, 2016 1:46 PM, "Phil Steitz" wrote: > > On 1/24/16 2:16 PM, James Carman wrote: > > I guess it depends on the scope of what the new TLP is going to do. > > This is slightly jumping the gun, as we do have the opportunity in > forming the new TLP to revisit the

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If we are to choose a famous person's name, why not a famous native American mathematician? I'm not aware of any, but it would be keeping with the traditions of Apache, being a native American tribe, Geronimo being a native American chief, as well as a few others. -- H On 24 January 2016 at

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I googled that but didn't find anything compelling. I love the idea. On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 4:54 PM Hasan Diwan wrote: > If we are to choose a famous person's name, why not a famous native > American mathematician? I'm not aware of any, but it would be keeping with > the

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Just plain and simple "Apache Math" maybe? Or is it taken already? Gilles On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:46:17 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: On 1/24/16 2:16 PM, James Carman wrote: I guess it depends on the scope of what the new TLP is going to do. This is slightly jumping the gun, as we do have the

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I'm okay with that too. Apache Math On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:17 PM Gilles wrote: > Just plain and simple "Apache Math" maybe? > Or is it taken already? > > Gilles > > On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:46:17 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote: > > On 1/24/16 2:16 PM, James Carman

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I guess it depends on the scope of what the new TLP is going to do. Umbrella projects aren't that popular these days, from what I understand. Maybe an homage to a famous mathematician? Apache Newton? Apache Euler? Apache Euclid? On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 4:08 PM Phil Steitz

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Maybe Apache Gauss? On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 4:16 PM James Carman wrote: > I guess it depends on the scope of what the new TLP is going to do. > Umbrella projects aren't that popular these days, from what I understand. > Maybe an homage to a famous mathematician?

[math] Name of the new TLP

We need to agree on a name. My own preference is for a boring, descriptive name, but I am manifestly not a marketing guy, so won't be offended if others want to be more creative. My suggestion is MathComponents Hearkens back to HttpComponents, which has worked pretty well. Phil

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On Jan 24, 2016 1:08 PM, "Phil Steitz" wrote: > > We need to agree on a name. My own preference is for a boring, > descriptive name, but I am manifestly not a marketing guy, so won't > be offended if others want to be more creative. > > My suggestion is > > MathComponents

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> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Gilles wrote: > > Just plain and simple "Apache Math" maybe? > Or is it taken already? It's not taken; but I thought it was too broad-sounding and in fact umbrella-ish. There are other ASF projects that do math-relates things. I