Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-15 Thread Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 15 August 2014 05:14, Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On 8/7/2014 1:05 PM, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: I've never encountered anybody try and use MSC from the command line in about 15 years professionally. I've tried

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-14 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/7/2014 1:05 PM, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: I've never encountered anybody try and use MSC from the command line in about 15 years professionally. I've tried to. When using Marmalade. Marmalade's mandatory build system is very closed-off and VS-integrated, so when I needed to

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-14 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 19:14:32 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 8/7/2014 1:05 PM, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: That's what I mean about this culture; it's the opposite of linux, and it outright rejects practises that are linux-like. While I don't doubt that's true of a lot

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-13 Thread Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 13 August 2014 12:15, Timothee Cour via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 17:05:29 UTC, Manu via

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/11/2014 3:55 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: The sad reality is that your physical appearance - including your clothing - can have a big impact on how people perceive you, so in many situations, wearing nicer clothing can have a definite impact. This is particularly true when dealing with

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/9/2014 10:57 AM, Dicebot wrote: actually avoided learning anything out of the default comfort zone and called that _professional attitude_. People have some truly bizarre ideas about what constitutes professionalism. At a previous job I had, at one particular developer's meeting with

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-11 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 11 August 2014 at 16:29:10 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 8/9/2014 10:57 AM, Dicebot wrote: actually avoided learning anything out of the default comfort zone and called that _professional attitude_. People have some truly bizarre ideas about what constitutes professionalism. At

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-09 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/7/2014 11:34 AM, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: It's not because it's hard, it's because it's perceived as totally backwards, and it undermines the trust in the ecosystem. It's all about perception. The Windows/Visual Studio development culture is pretty immature, and expects

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-09 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 9 August 2014 at 14:24:41 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: While I (unfortunately) agree with everything you've said here, I can't help chiming in with one thing: Speaking as a programmer who's primarily used Windows ever since 3.1, anyone who earns a paycheck writing code *and*

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-09 Thread Maxim Fomin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 31 July 2014 at 12:51:53 UTC, Andrew Edwards wrote: DMD v2.066.0-rc1 binaries are available for testing: http://wiki.dlang.org/Beta_Testing What about changelog? http://dlang.org/changelog.html In past it was pretty nicely made, but now it lists only 2 changes (unlike

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-09 Thread Brad Anderson via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Saturday, 9 August 2014 at 15:35:08 UTC, Maxim Fomin wrote: On Thursday, 31 July 2014 at 12:51:53 UTC, Andrew Edwards wrote: DMD v2.066.0-rc1 binaries are available for testing: http://wiki.dlang.org/Beta_Testing What about changelog? http://dlang.org/changelog.html In past

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-08 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 19:15:00 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2014-08-07 19:15, Dicebot wrote: And here I also mean that all other Windows builds of compilers / interpreters I have used / tried passed that simple sanity test. Some may require complicated setup to do complicated things

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 6 August 2014 at 16:19:39 UTC, Brad Anderson wrote: I don't think it's difficult for them, I think they often just don't know they can. Environment variables just aren't as well known on Windows these days. If you are an 18 year old getting into programming you likely have never

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Meta via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 11:30:19 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Wednesday, 6 August 2014 at 16:19:39 UTC, Brad Anderson wrote: I don't think it's difficult for them, I think they often just don't know they can. Environment variables just aren't as well known on Windows these days. If you are an

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 7 August 2014 21:30, Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Wednesday, 6 August 2014 at 16:19:39 UTC, Brad Anderson wrote: I don't think it's difficult for them, I think they often just don't know they can. Environment variables just aren't as

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 15:35:11 UTC, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: The Windows/Visual Studio development culture is pretty immature, and expects nothing less than the level of polish and presentation that Microsoft put into Visual Studio. I have no idea how one can call one

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8 August 2014 01:41, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 15:35:11 UTC, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: The Windows/Visual Studio development culture is pretty immature, and expects nothing less than the level

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 16:53:57 UTC, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: Umm, I don't know what you're talking about exactly. But let me get this straight, it looks like you're saying you are annoyed that it didn't 'just work' out of the box? :P Yeah this is the inly compiler I

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8 August 2014 02:57, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 16:53:57 UTC, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: Umm, I don't know what you're talking about exactly. But let me get this straight, it looks like you're

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 17:05:29 UTC, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On 8 August 2014 02:57, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 16:53:57 UTC, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: Umm, I don't know what

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 17:11:23 UTC, Dicebot wrote: well I don't mind that habits are totally different - but the fact that it is considered an excuse for distributing broken programs (and cl.exe is broken by most basic software usability principles) is frustrating at least. Polishing

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 7 August 2014 at 17:05:29 UTC, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: I've never encountered anybody try and use MSC from the command line in about 15 years professionally. LOL. That's almost always how I use VS when I'm forced to use it at work. As soon as I figured out that I

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-07 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 2014-08-07 19:15, Dicebot wrote: And here I also mean that all other Windows builds of compilers / interpreters I have used / tried passed that simple sanity test. Some may require complicated setup to do complicated things but hello world is always just that simple. Microsoft seems to be

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-06 Thread Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 6 August 2014 15:20, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On 8/3/2014 8:51 PM, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: This windiows installer went wrong on me. First, it tried to uninstall, it offered to uninstall from 'C:\D'. My DMD

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-06 Thread Brad Anderson via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 6 August 2014 at 05:20:27 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 8/3/2014 8:51 PM, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: This windiows installer went wrong on me. First, it tried to uninstall, it offered to uninstall from 'C:\D'. My DMD install is 'C:\dev\D'... The path was presented in a

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-05 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 8/3/2014 8:51 PM, Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: This windiows installer went wrong on me. First, it tried to uninstall, it offered to uninstall from 'C:\D'. My DMD install is 'C:\dev\D'... The path was presented in a greyed out textbox that I couldn't type in to correct it, and no

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-03 Thread Dicebot via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 31 July 2014 at 12:51:53 UTC, Andrew Edwards wrote: DMD v2.066.0-rc1 binaries are available for testing: http://wiki.dlang.org/Beta_Testing Want to bring attention of wider audience that this release really needs all help it can get - regression count still stays high

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-03 Thread Manu via Digitalmars-d-announce
-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Thursday, 31 July 2014 at 12:51:53 UTC, Andrew Edwards wrote: DMD v2.066.0-rc1 binaries are available for testing: http://wiki.dlang.org/Beta_Testing Want to bring attention of wider audience that this release really needs all help it can get

Re: DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-08-01 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 7/31/2014 5:51 AM, Andrew Edwards wrote: DMD v2.066.0-rc1 binaries are available for testing: http://wiki.dlang.org/Beta_Testing Thank you again, Andrew!

DMD v2.066.0-rc1

2014-07-31 Thread Andrew Edwards via Digitalmars-d-announce
DMD v2.066.0-rc1 binaries are available for testing: http://wiki.dlang.org/Beta_Testing