Re: [digitalradio] ROS experiments

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
Very impressive Jose, again...congratulations. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 12:25 AM, jose alberto nieto ros < nietoro...@yahoo.es> wrote: > > > I made the experiment over AWGN and ROS is 2 dBs better than OLIVIA > 32/1000. > > But we are comparing two modes at differents character rate. As you know >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS experiments

2010-02-19 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
I made the experiment over AWGN and ROS is 2 dBs better than OLIVIA 32/1000. But we are comparing two modes at differents character rate. As you know ROS is two times faster than OLIVIA 32/1000. You should compare ROS 16 with OLIVIA 8/1000.  Then the different is about 5-6 dBs for the same char

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
Yo only have to download the sound archive: "The Man Of the Vara at 1 bauds (-35 dBs)" and tester. The results speak for themselves De: n9dsj Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Enviado: sáb,20 febrero, 2010 03:53 Asunto: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

Re: [digitalradio] Vista Run-time error and ROS

2010-02-19 Thread Bob/Chris
No, I get a run time error 50003. Bob C WU9Q - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Vista Run-time error and ROS Has anyone had any luck running ROS with Vista? Tony -K2MO

[digitalradio] ROS now compatible with Vista

2010-02-19 Thread Tony
All, The latest version of ROS seems to work fine with Vista. http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ Thanks Jose... Tony -K2MO

[digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread n9dsj
Is ROS actually a spread spectrum frequency hopping mode or more like CHIP? I have not seen any published modulation scheme/protocol specificaions so guessing. I certainly doubt the -35dB claim without even anecdotal evidence...otherwise for EME I now have a 10dB path margin :) 73, Bill N9DS

RE: [digitalradio] Re: FCC is not our friend ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread phil williams
ROS is illegal. For everyone. Along with thinking outside of the box. Please place yourselves under house arrest. You are hereby FINED. Mail your checks to KA1GMN. philw >

RE: [digitalradio] Re: FCC is not our friend ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread kq6i
The FCC is not our friend, unless you are a well-to-do multimillion-dollar corporate conglomerate. [ROS, legal in USA] I remember as a young tyke, frequently praying for a new bycycle. Eventually realizing this was not to be, I stole a bike, continued praying, only now asking for forgiveness. [Wi

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Alan Barrow
Dave Ackrill wrote: > but if we could get rid of many of the very loud European > stations, as well as the US ones, So the plan would be to get rid of the loud European & US stations, and just leave the ( presumably not-loud?) UK ones on the air? :-) Sounds workable to me, we could all dig out

Re: [digitalradio] ROS experiments

2010-02-19 Thread Tony
> It will interesting to see if Tony K2MO gets a chance to put this through the > Pathsim tests and compare it to Olivia. My "guess" is > that it will be close to that of Olivia. Andy K3UK Andy, I'd be more than happy to run ROS through the path simulator if I could get the program running w

[digitalradio] Vista Run-time error and ROS

2010-02-19 Thread Tony
Has anyone had any luck running ROS with Vista? Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
The answer is in Wikipedia for Spread Spectrum. 73 - Skip KH6TY Marco IK1ODO wrote: > >jose alberto nieto ros wrote: >>Â >>We can see it as we want, but if OLIVIA is legal, ROS is legal. The only difference I see, Olivia does not say to be "spread spectrum", ROS does so :-) - but it's e

Re: [digitalradio] ros

2010-02-19 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 06:58 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote: > even some of the AFSK/RTTY people use USB. I have seen this too and at times wonder why. I think maybe because the other modes are USB. I got into RTTY in 1976. Still use a machine for RTTY.

[digitalradio] ros

2010-02-19 Thread wd4kpd
the program author mentioned that when he tested on 40m, that he used LSB. this is not really a problem, but i think the digital community has pretty much setteled on USB for all sound card digital modes. even some of the AFSK/RTTY people use USB. before too long, got to get it setteled in. da

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread DANNY DOUGLAS
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION as they used to say. There in Europe, you have dozens of "local" governments to satisify, in the way of modes and power, bands, etc. Im always supprised to find two governments over there, who agree with anything another two may want to do on the bands. Over the ye

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
Dave wrote: > Jose (and all), > > My two-cents worth: > > Olivia is MFSK (or AMFSK), ROS is Spread Spectrum. MFSK is legal on HF, SS > is not. > > It isn't about bandwidth or any of the other arguments. Since ROS is Spread > Spectrum then it is not allowed on HF in areas regulated by the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
KH6TY wrote: > Jose, > > We want to be able to use the mode on HF, but it is not our decision, > but our FCC's decision, for whatever reasons they currently think are > valid. Fortunately, it may work well on VHF and HF, so I plan to find out. I hate to say this, as I'm sure I'll be called all

[digitalradio] ros

2010-02-19 Thread wd4kpd
interesting problems with new ROS, but is to be expected since i lost the text displays in the program, i did system restore and got the problem solved. however the personal info is still stored somewhere i dont know. it did not show the station info however this time. is fun. david/wd4kpd

[digitalradio] ros

2010-02-19 Thread wd4kpd
still having problems, still no text showing up in rx or tx. where is the station info stored ? i deleted all the program, and still when i reinstall, the info comes backmaybe i need to delete that whereever it is to get the text bug out. david/wd4kpd pse email me personal if you got the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Sparks
IMO, ROS is not *true* SS in the legal sense. Other posts I've read cite an FCC reference that SS involves spreading the signal EVENLY over the bandwidth. ROS is using 16 DISCRETE tones to modulate, with a lot more empty space than actual signal. I'm curious how much of spread spectrum's jam

[digitalradio] ROS experiments

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
My "experiments" (many receptions and 2 transmissions) today with ROS 1 and ROS 16 shows that it is quite an effective mode. Congratulations Jose. Of particular interest to me were the several occasions where I decoded a signal that was not visible in the waterfall or audible to my ears. It w

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY and mode selection on radios

2010-02-19 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Of course. Not being a sound card guy when it comes to RTTY. John, W0JAB At 04:56 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote: >I use USB dfor FSK, simply because I want the low side of the signals to show >up on the left side of the waterfall, and the high frequencies to show up to >the right. Because that p

[digitalradio] ROS

2010-02-19 Thread David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD
of a sudden, when i click on any of the buttons, i see no text show up in the window. i seem to be transmitting and got some email feedback for my last transmissions, but nothing shows the text going out. wierd...opened the Fuentes folder, and see the Teletype TTF font file. when i open it, it s

[digitalradio] Buglet in ROS

2010-02-19 Thread jhaynesatalumni
A minor but annoying problem I'm having is that in Windows XP it keeps maximizing the window without being told to. I haven't found for sure what triggers it, but just now I am monitoring and a ROS signal came on and a second or two after the initial tone the window maximized itself. Yup, just ha

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY and mode selection on radios

2010-02-19 Thread DANNY DOUGLAS
I use USB dfor FSK, simply because I want the low side of the signals to show up on the left side of the waterfall, and the high frequencies to show up to the right. Because that puts me opposite than the "normal" signals, I run both send and receive with the reverse button clicked.' Danny Dou

[digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread vinceinwaukesha
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Ackrill wrote: > > Does anyone have a definition of real spread spectrum? As I hate to > think what will happen when/if people with even less knowledge than I > have of what 'real' spread spectrum is get the idea that RIO is > something that it is act

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
¿Olivia is only MFSK?  Why there is so ignorant people in the world? De: Dave Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Enviado: vie,19 febrero, 2010 23:03 Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?   Jose (and all), My two-cents worth:   Olivia is MFSK (o

[digitalradio] Re: RTTY and mode selection on radios

2010-02-19 Thread jhaynesatalumni
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "John Becker, WØJAB" wrote: > > RTTY "should" be used in the LSB mode regardless of the band. Well thats when you aren't using the FSK mode for RTTY; the FSK mode does put it into LSB. > > I don't use software for RTTY so I cant tell you a thing about th

[digitalradio] Polarized Rotation Modulation (PRZM)

2010-02-19 Thread Robert Tiller
>From Darpa: "Polarization modulation introduces an additional dimension. A radio with four polarization possibilities would transmit four times the information with all other aspects of the waveform held constant."  http://www.

[digitalradio] FCC Spread Spectrum

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
3. " Spread spectrum is a technique whereby the energy of the transmitted signal is distributed over a wide segment of spectrum. The signal power density can be very low and the duration of a transmission on any frequency in the segment of the spectrum can be but a fraction of a second. SS s

[digitalradio] Re: RTTY and mode selection on radios

2010-02-19 Thread jhaynesatalumni
If the radio has RTTY as a mode, as does the TS-940 for example, it means (1) there is an input on the back where you put in a baseband signal and FSK comes out the antenna, and (2) for receiving it will use a narrow filter and center the filter up around 2.2 KHz. (By "baseband" I mean the actual

Re: [digitalradio] RTTY and mode selection on radios

2010-02-19 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
RTTY "should" be used in the LSB mode regardless of the band. I don't use software for RTTY so I cant tell you a thing about that.

[digitalradio] Re: MT63 Operation

2010-02-19 Thread kb3fxi
We use MT63 on our wpaNBEMS nets here in Western PA on 3.5835 USB, 1000hz center on the waterfall. Our nets start out on 8/500 Olivia then we transmit a 1000hz MT63 1k long (64 bit) interleave bulletin. We stay on MT63 1k long and then go for comments since we're in the faster mode. We have

[digitalradio] ROS...

2010-02-19 Thread David Michael Gaytko // WD4KPD
kinda of neat, and seems to work ok...some partial qso's so far. big problem is bandwidthits way to wide for the digi segments in general. 20m should be up around 110 or so. along with 20m, anyone got some frequency ideas ? to the designer...all those meters need to be dampened a bit, they

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Marco IK1ODO
> >jose alberto nieto ros wrote: >>Â >>We can see it as we want, but if OLIVIA is legal, ROS is legal. The only difference I see, Olivia does not say to be "spread spectrum", ROS does so :-) - but it's exactly the same approach, as many other digital modes. So, what is the exact "spread spectru

Re: [digitalradio] RTTY and mode selection on radios

2010-02-19 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- On Fri, 2/19/10, James French wrote: > From: James French > Subject: [digitalradio] RTTY and mode selection on radios > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 3:58 PM > Wondering if someone can point me to > a link or some literature explaining > about why the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave
Jose (and all), My two-cents worth: Olivia is MFSK (or AMFSK), ROS is Spread Spectrum. MFSK is legal on HF, SS is not. It isn't about bandwidth or any of the other arguments. Since ROS is Spread Spectrum then it is not allowed on HF in areas regulated by the FCC under the current rules.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Bill V WA7NWP
> We want to be able to use the mode on HF, but it is not our decision, but our > FCC's decision, for whatever reasons they currently think are valid. > Fortunately, it may work well on VHF and HF, so I plan to find out. Might this give some wider data on UHF? 20KHz? 50 KHz? Would it be li

Re: [digitalradio] MT63 Operation

2010-02-19 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
I have found it only around 14,109. But like many many modes - it's not used much. John, W0JAB At 03:37 PM 2/19/2010, you wrote: >Lately I've been playing around with MT63 at the 500 hz bandwidth. It was >just about the only digital mode that I had not experimented with since >getting on the d

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Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
Jose, We want to be able to use the mode on HF, but it is not our decision, but our FCC's decision, for whatever reasons they currently think are valid. Fortunately, it may work well on VHF and HF, so I plan to find out. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: We can see it as we

[digitalradio] MT63 Operation

2010-02-19 Thread Thomas F. Giella NZ4O
Lately I've been playing around with MT63 at the 500 hz bandwidth. It was just about the only digital mode that I had not experimented with since getting on the digital modes in 2003. I've made some contacts around 3584 kc and 14074 kc. The band plans that I see for 20 meters on the internet ca

Re: [digitalradio] RTTY and mode selection on radios

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
FSK is RTTY but so is AFSK. Some rigs support the use of RTTY in FSK while others require a TNC or sound card to generate the tones. FSK on transceivers tends to invoke narrower filters and the frequency you are receiving is displayed differently. The serious RTTY guys tend to prefer FSK. This

[digitalradio] RTTY and mode selection on radios

2010-02-19 Thread James French
Wondering if someone can point me to a link or some literature explaining about why there is a FSK mode on the HF radios like the Icom ic-746pro, Kenwood TS0940sat, and Ten-tec Paragon (585)? Is there a reason for this? I am asking this because I have listened to some RTTY using either USB or LS

[digitalradio] How many ?

2010-02-19 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Just how many sound card modes are there now? And what is the number that look just like another mode?

[digitalradio] ROS install problem

2010-02-19 Thread Marco IK1ODO
ROS 1.6.2 beta refuses to install here, I get "Run time error '76' - path not found" when running the .exe Win XP SP3, P4. José, any hint? 73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF

RE: [digitalradio] ROS

2010-02-19 Thread kq6i
I had to disable Norton antivirus temporally to install hr. Norton considers .exe as evil. But, I use XP pro. Perhaps install using XP mode es disable antivirus software? rgrds Craig kq6i -Original Message- From: Mobile Me [mailto:ugo.dep...@me.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:4

RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS sound card

2010-02-19 Thread kq6i
Works hr with MicroHAM KEYER II es virtual router 7.6.0. I use COM 6, same as used for HRD/DM-780, wspr, jt65-hf etc. Piece of cake. rgrds Craig kq6i -Original Message- From: lew cason [mailto:lew_j...@att.net] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:53 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com S

[digitalradio] Primer QSO con el ROS [2 Attachments]

2010-02-19 Thread Francesco Piccone
Mi primer QSO con el nuevo modo ROS Frecuencia 14.080 con el amigo Peter PJ2/DF7DQ en la isla de CURAZAO 73 Francesco YV4GJN

Re: [digitalradio] (unknown)

2010-02-19 Thread John B. Stephensen
The FCC specificly allows multiple-subcarrier transmissions on HF but bans "spead spectrum emissions using bandwidth-expansion modulation." Multiple-subcarrier modes don't have to increase the bandwidth as the signal is split into N parallel streams and each can occupy 1/N the bandwidth of the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread John B. Stephensen
It's my interpretation of the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, Title 47, Part 97. You can see the authorized emissions table at 97.305 and the definition of SS (spread spectrum) at 97.3(c)(8). You can acces a copy via the FCC web site at www.fcc.gov. FCC rules are much more restrictive than tho

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

2010-02-19 Thread Mobile Me
Hi All. I'm trying to install ROS on my pc running windows 7 ultimate (64 bit) but I'm not able to install, it seems to be impossible to do it on this operativ system. Could someone help me ? Best regards and thanks in advance. 73 - Ugo Il 19/02/2010 20:09, jose alberto nieto ros ha scritto:

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread John B. Stephensen
This 1999 report and order didn't change the frequencies allowed. The 2007 edition of the FCC rules and regulations shows that SS is allowed down to 222 MHz. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: Glenn L. Roeser To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19

RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread John Bradley
please, please, no , not to Canada, they all argue too much hi hi john VE5MU From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon HB9DRV Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:37 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, leg

[digitalradio] ROS - CQ100

2010-02-19 Thread George
Has anyone tried this mode on CQ100?   Regards, George NJ3H

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Glenn L. Roeser
Hello to all, I found this on the ARRL Site: QST de W1AW  ARRL Bulletin 62  ARLB062 >From ARRL Headquarters  Newington CT  September 9, 1999 To all radio amateurs SB QST ARL ARLB062 ARLB062 FCC relaxes rules for spread spectrum The FCC has relaxed rules governing the use of spread spectrum te

Re: [digitalradio] (unknown)

2010-02-19 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
I could not explain it better. Unfortunately there are people on this forum seems to want to look for the three-legged cat. De: AC TALBOT Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Enviado: vie,19 febrero, 2010 20:18 Asunto: [digitalradio] (unknown)   The term "Spr

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
That's your opinion. It does not mean it's true. De: John B. Stephensen Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Enviado: vie,19 febrero, 2010 20:19 Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?   Unfortunately, its illegal below 420 MHz in the U.S.   73   John

RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Simon HB9DRV
Do I hear the sound of a mass exodus to Canada? Or maybe back to Europe? Simon Brown, HB9DRV http://sdr-radio.com From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John B. Stephensen Unfortunately, its illegal below 420 MHz in the U.S.

[digitalradio] (unknown)

2010-02-19 Thread AC TALBOT
The term "Spread Spectrum"  can apply to any mode that spreads its energy over more than the necessary bandwidth.   If we assume the necessary bandwidth to be equal to the signalling rate than anything other than single carrier modes technically fall into this category.   Even WSPR coul dbe cons

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread John B. Stephensen
Unfortunately, its illegal below 420 MHz in the U.S. 73 John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: "John Becker, WØJAB" To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 19:12 UTC Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA? Ok what's the bottom lin

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
Claudio wrote: > HI: I M calling 14080 usb, beam europe but no reply. > > claudio-LU2VC Sorry Claudio, things seemed to be getting quiet and I went to 30M using JT65a. Dave (G0DJA) Try Hamspots, PSKreporter, and K3UK Sked Page http://www.obriensweb.com/s

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Ok what's the bottom line? Is it or is it not? At this time my in box is overloaded with "ROS" subjects. And rather reading them "all" or "deleting all" Can someone just tell me? John, W0JAB

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

2010-02-19 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
Ah, OK, thats button exit already: Is the button:  +BYE   De: Glenn L. Roeser Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Enviado: vie,19 febrero, 2010 19:47 Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] ROS   Hello Jose, It would be similar to one of the other buttons. (Example: The S

[digitalradio] Welcome F4AWY

2010-02-19 Thread obrienaj
>>> Hello My call is F4AWY and i am a beginner in digital mods best 73 >>> from >>> France . Welcome to the group, please tell us what modes you use, we will be happy to help with any questions. Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS New Mode

2010-02-19 Thread lew cason
I run the SignalLink USB and it works with no problems with the ROS software - Original Message - From: Gary To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS New Mode How do I select a specific sound card? Some

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

2010-02-19 Thread Glenn L. Roeser
Hello Jose, It would be similar to one of the other buttons. (Example: The Station Button will fill the text field automatically when clicked with the stations equipment.) The over button would place at the end of the text field: his call de my call  K . Then it would stop the transmission. I ho

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread John B. Stephensen
I agree. Spread spectrum is illegal below 420 MHz in the U.S. and the ROS documentation describes a spread-spectrum system. It's certainly no wider than modes that use Walsh codes or low-rate convolutional codes but these systems increase bandwidth by increasing redundancy and are therefore lega

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
We can see it as we want, but if OLIVIA is legal, ROS is legal.   De: KH6TY Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Enviado: vie,19 febrero, 2010 19:19 Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?   All, If we accept the fact that a SSB transmitter with suf

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Claudio
HI: I M calling 14080 usb, beam europe but no reply. claudio-LU2VC 2010/2/19 Dave Ackrill > > > KH6TY wrote: > > All, > > > > If we accept the fact that a SSB transmitter with sufficient carrier > > suppression simply generates an RF carrier equal to the suppressed > > carrier frequency plus th

Re: [digitalradio] ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
Thanks Skip, I agree after doing some more reading and I will not use this mode on HF. Your UHF idea sounds good. Andy K3Uk On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:32 PM, KH6TY wrote: > > > Unfortunately, the ROS explanation of Spread Spectrum and Frequency Hopping > in the documentation too closely resemble

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
The difference is the use of Frequency Hopping. In Olivia and the other digital modes, frequency hopping is not used but the data is sent redundantly over the width of the signal - MT63 is a good example. From the ROS documentation: "ROS uses a Spread Spectrum technique known as Frequency-hopp

[digitalradio] Re: ROS

2010-02-19 Thread nietorosdj
OK, some questions: We have the "CALL" BUTTON: NONAME de EATEST Then we need other button, for example: "KN" BUTTON: NONAME de EATEST kn Is this correct? Could you define better the rest of buttons? i am a little confused with k, kn, not kn... Tell me how would be the basics buttons Th

Re: [digitalradio] ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
Unfortunately, the ROS explanation of Spread Spectrum and Frequency Hopping in the documentation too closely resembles the definition of Spread Spectrum as written in the Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_spectrum. Since ROS claims to be Frequency Hopping and Spread Spectrum by its

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
KH6TY wrote: > All, > > If we accept the fact that a SSB transmitter with sufficient carrier > suppression simply generates an RF carrier equal to the suppressed > carrier frequency plus the tone frequency (USB), then frequency hopping > is frequency hopping (spread spectrum), regardless of how

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
All, If we accept the fact that a SSB transmitter with sufficient carrier suppression simply generates an RF carrier equal to the suppressed carrier frequency plus the tone frequency (USB), then frequency hopping is frequency hopping (spread spectrum), regardless of how the carriers are gener

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
Jose, a button that hands over to the other person in the call e.g. k3uk de p5dx kn K3UK would have "P5DX" " in the destination" box. I think it would be the same as the "call button" though. Andy K3UK On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:58 PM, jose alberto nieto ros < nietoro...@yahoo.es> wrote: > >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
Dave Ackrill wrote: > I'd actually say that the term 'spread spectrum' is actually incorrect > as far as RIO is concerned. It's actually no more 'spread' than some of > the other digi-modes and less 'spread' than some versions of Olivia. Sorry, I meant ROS of course. Mark it down as my senior

Re: [digitalradio] ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
Andy obrien wrote: > Joe, > N8FQ... > > http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/d-305.html > >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

2010-02-19 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
Hi, Glenn. Could you explain better the "over" button please. Put an example, please Thank you   De: Glenn L. Roeser Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Enviado: vie,19 febrero, 2010 14:41 Asunto: [digitalradio] ROS   I just had my first QSO using ROS with

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS New Mode

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
Gary wrote: > How do I select a specific sound card? Some of us are using external USB > sound card devices for digital operation. At present it uses the Windows default soundcard, although this may change in future releases. So, you will need to open Control Panel, then open Sounds and Audio

Re: [digitalradio] Go here to download ROS

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
Andy obrien wrote: > http://*rosmodem*.wordpress.com/ > That URL will only work if you take out the '*' of course, as in http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ Dave (G0DJA)

[digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread nietorosdj
One comment: It is not the same a Spread Spectrum Transceiver (like military radios) that to send digital data into an audio channel on standard SSB transceiver. They are different things. So, when we read Spread Spectrum is not legal, first we must know what we are reading. --- In digitalradi

[digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread nietorosdj
Hi, One comment. A thing is a transceiver of Spread Spectrum (like military radios) and other very different is to send digital data into an audio channel on SSB, like PSK31, JT65, OLIVIA 1000, ROS...etc...are differents thinks. So, we must know what we are reading. --- In digitalradio@yah

Re: [digitalradio] Re: A new Mode !

2010-02-19 Thread Dave Ackrill
Toby Burnett wrote: > Dave, your the only other G station I see testing this. What are your > thoughts on the 500hz digi mode band allocation and this type of signal, > certainly blasted by rtty but cant help think we are doing the same? Hi Toby, I have to say that, given the 'width' of the tra

[digitalradio] Re: ROS width

2010-02-19 Thread nietorosdj
2250 Hz. From 400 to 2650Hz. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien wrote: > > I think it is 2200 Hz wide. > > Andy > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Glenn L. Roeser > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Toby, > > Your suggestions sound fine with me. I'm sorry that I missed the second

Re: [digitalradio] ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
Joe, N8FQ... http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/d-305.html Describes Spread Spectrum as n

[digitalradio] Re: ROS New Mode

2010-02-19 Thread nietorosdj
Hi, i will try to put that option in a future version. Thank you for testing. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Gary" wrote: > > > How do I select a specific sound card? Some of us are using external USB > sound card devices for digital operation. > > Gary - N0GW > > > --- In digitalra

[digitalradio] Re: ROS New Mode

2010-02-19 Thread Gary
How do I select a specific sound card? Some of us are using external USB sound card devices for digital operation. Gary - N0GW --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "nietorosdj" wrote: > > HI, > > As you know i have created a new mode at http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ > > I wish you tested

[digitalradio] Ros 1.6.2 beta File not found Switch(16638-29712).ocx

2010-02-19 Thread joe_n8jf
Have attempted installation on 32-bit Win-7 machine with no luck. Guidance will be appreciated. 73/72 Joe, N8JF

Re: [digitalradio] Go here to download ROS

2010-02-19 Thread OSCAR LAMA - CX1CW
http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ 73´s & Good DX !! Oscar Lama - CX1CW MSN: oscar_l...@hotmail.com MSN: cx...@hotmail.com RGS#1300 EPC#7536 30MDG#2645 FD#2519 - Original Message - From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:35 PM Subj

RE: [digitalradio] ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread Giedrius, LY2CG
>can someone tell me where i go to >download this ros. >many thanks 73 ivor/m5ply http://rosmodem.wordpress.com 73 - Giedrius, LY2CG m5...@blueyonder.co.uk hello all. can someone tell me where i go to download this ros. many thanks 73

[digitalradio] Go here to download ROS

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
http://*rosmodem*.wordpress.com/ On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, ivor peters wrote: > > > > m5...@blueyonder.co.uk > hello all. > can someone tell me where i go to > download this ros. > many thanks 73 ivor/m5ply > >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread ivor peters
m5...@blueyonder.co.uk hello all. can someone tell me where i go to download this ros. many thanks 73 ivor/m5ply - Original Message - From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS, legal in USA?

[digitalradio] ROS width

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
I think it is 2200 Hz wide. Andy On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Glenn L. Roeser wrote: > > > Hello Toby, > Your suggestions sound fine with me. I'm sorry that I missed the second M > during our QSO. The band was just not there. > I'm wondering? How wide is this mode? I'm sure the RTTY stati

Re: [digitalradio] Re: A new Mode !

2010-02-19 Thread Toby Burnett
Hi Glenn, yes the band wasn't there and I have a faulty power line pole that they refuse to fix, it's about 200m from the qth and splatters S8 on 20m until it rains, (then all quiet and I can hear a pin drop in the south pacific lol I WISH) Well it occurred that this mode 2250hz wide is a little

Re: [digitalradio] Re: A new Mode !

2010-02-19 Thread Alan Beagley
Please include the option to select Virtual Audio Cable as the "sound card" -- and COM ports > 6. 73 Alan NV8A On 02/19/10 07:49 am, nietorosdj wrote: > Hi, > > With the New Version 1.6.2 you can select from COM1 to COM6. > > For the future versions, i will make soundcard selectable, no proble

Re: [digitalradio] Re: A new Mode !

2010-02-19 Thread Glenn L. Roeser
Hello Toby, Your suggestions sound fine with me. I'm sorry that I missed the second M during our QSO. The band was just not there. I'm wondering? How wide is this mode? I'm sure the RTTY stations must hear us as well. Very 73 to all, Glenn (WB2LMV) From: Toby

[digitalradio] ROS band plan , and other modes

2010-02-19 Thread Andy obrien
Avoid 14075-76 since this is where JT65A is on 20M. I like the idea of us all be around the same place with differing modes, that way, we can hear people calling and do not have to constantly twirl the dial. Since most people's waterfalls , including the one in ROS, are 3kHZ wide , and people's

Re: [digitalradio] Re: A new Mode !

2010-02-19 Thread Toby Burnett
Just submitted this to Jose on his ROS blog page. What are your thoughts people please. Thanks for a quick reply Jose. There will be others who can recommend exact frequencies. I understand about not being swamped in the past lol, but the sub bands do kind of work. E.g. You'd never see an MT6

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