to decide will anything I say alter
their opinion and, would anything they say alter mine? If the answer to
both parts is 'no' then there is no debate, it's just an argument where
neither side will back down.
Dave (G0DJA)
spirit of
course!!
Unfortunately, Marc, it has happened so many times in the past.
In the end, it all boils down to 'do you want to use it, or do you not
want to use it?'
If you do, then do, if you don't, then don't...
Dave (G0DJA)
about Packet/AX:25,
PSK31 and the use of satellite transponders from VHF to UHF.
In the end, all of those debates were ended by a 'don't be so silly'
statement that changed not one rule, but told people to 'play nice', in
effect.
Dave (G0DJA)
KH6TY wrote:
Sorry Dave, I don't follow you as to what would be stupid.
Perhaps I misunderstood you.
I misunderstood, when you were talking about VHF/UHF I read that as if
you were suggesting that 1 baud was being given only a 20M frequency.
Dave (G0DJA)
.
Let's hear it from the lawyers and engineers first, then I'll feel more
comfortable.
Dave
K3DCW
Real radio bounces off the sky
On 2 Mar, at 12:15 PM, Curt Givens wrote:
--- On Mon, 3/1/10, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com
, will be on
14.102.4MHz at least 1.4kHz higher than their highest required
frequency, so I still don't see how it is interfering.
However, it's academic now that they have another 1 kHz of separation.
Dave (G0DJA)
that would help.
If it's reasonably straight forward to do I may have it configured later
this evening.
Dave (G0DJA)
my pleasure, Rick.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on
Behalf Of Rick Westerfield
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:11 AM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Calculating CPU use
' are interfering with them, but equally 'We'
might say that 'They' are interfering with us. After all, no one owns
the bands.
Dave (G0DJA)
is a
greater problem than on HF. So, if 14109 is not suggested as exclusive
to 1 baud, there will be more space for HF users of ROS to go to avoid
QRM or ROS interference - practically, on 20m, twice as much space.
Exclusive only on 20M, not *all bands*, that would be stupid...
Dave (G0DJA)
explain how you are so sure it is
ROS that is causing a problem. Even if the '1st tone' was some 400Hz
above the dial frequency, that is still 1.4kHz, and only transmitting
that 400Hz tone infrequently, so, again, I would have thought way above
a 'standard' CW filter width...
Dave (G0DJA)
with your current PC's hard drive in your new system, and upgrade later.
All DXLab applications run correctly under 64-bit XP, Vista, and Windows 7.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on
Behalf Of Andy obrien
can let people over here who
have only read the 'it's illegal in the USA' message know.
Thanks - Dave (G0DJA)
googled, but couldn't find anything related to digitalradio.
It's not specific to Digital, but I guess useful for some people using
digital modes?
Anyway, there's an online calculator at
http://www.changpuak.ch/electronics/lpda.html
If anyone is interested.
Dave (G0DJA)
and/or
the FCC (not sure which way round it has to go) if they want to use the
mode.
If I were you I'd just concentrate efforts on developing the program and
let those of us that are fortunate that we don't live in the USA use and
develop the mode.
Dave (G0DJA)
the sound card from within the program, but I think
he's been busy with a couple of other issues.
Let's face it, the 1st ever recorded QSO using ROS was completed on the
18th of this month, just 6 days ago, so I think we, the users, do need
to be a little bit patient. HI.
Dave (G0DJA)
wrongly assumed that it would also tell the tuner what frequency it was
on. If I had done my homework I might have discovered this.
It's not a show-stopper - only a very minor inconvenience. I wanted to
pass it along for anyone else that might make the same assumption.
73
Dave
KB3MOW
worked at when in my
late teens and I used to pop in to see him when I could.
Mike now lives in Shropshire and it's been a long time since I last
spoke to him, so not sure if he still uses AMTOR or RTTY anymore.
Dave (G0DJA)
You were right, Skip.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Andy obrien
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:53 AM
To: 30...@yahoogroups.com; digitalradio
Subject: [digitalradio] BREAKING NEWS
the
practicalities and enjoyment of using digital modes and ROS free from
the endless debate about what is 'Illegal, immoral, or makes you fat'.
Thanks - Dave (G0DJA)
Dave, Although I use Winwarbler and Spot Collector a lot, I have
never really tried clicking on PSK31 spots . I will have to give that a try.
Very useful. I wonder if this is the only application that does work well
with PSK31 spots?
The issue is not generating spots, it's the fact that very few
think it will from my personal experience of
such debates within the UK Amateur Radio population. Most notably the
old uk.rec.radio mail group of fond, if acidic, memory...
Dave (G0DJA)
just
because it takes a while for some people to realise that the rules have
changed.
Dave (G0DJA)
to the authorities in the hope that they will stop
that lot of Radio Amateurs from enjoying the bands.
To go back to a Stranger in a Strange Land, you will grok that some of
us wish to hate the others.
Dave (G0DJA)
John wrote:
Hi HI Dave ..
Unfortunately, you may indeed be right.
As my posts on this topic speak for themselves, I never once stated either
way if it was or was not legal. My question all along has been, did the law
against the use of spread spectrum even apply in this case at all
, n my opinion.
Dave (G0DJA)
John wrote:
So sorry Dave
IN my country, it is still an expression of respect. Here we go with those
pesky language barriers again ... HiHi
I will try to be more irreverent, condescending, or rude when addressing you
in the future . LOL
John
KE5HAM
Please do,
I appreciate
to be selected.
That's what I use if I'm going to use Olivia.
Dave (G0DJA)
as well, saying that people
with digital modes can, and should, listen 1st and look at the
frequencies around them, the same should be true for CW operators. In my
opinion.
Dave (G0DJA)
Toby Burnett wrote:
Now Dave,
C'mon I have the narrow cw filter on my 706mk II
The on / off button is a challenge. Loljust messing with you now. No
offence.
On a serious note though, even with my limited cw surely it is possible to
answer a QRL back in cw, providing
Toby Burnett wrote:
Dave,
I knew about the logbook but not the cwid or /m /p etc hmm. I am getting
out of touch.
The only time I can see not using a log book though is when /m but that's
just me. I love looking back over the past 6 years at old qso's and seeing
if I have
.
Dave (G0DJA)
for
at least one station, IW1GJJ, tonight.
Dave (G0DJA)
extreme doppler, like Aurora on VHF or
rain/hail/snow scatter on 10 and 24GHz, that would be a real step forward...
Dave (G0DJA)
, but people still struggle on with it...
Dave (G0DJA)
station's receiver).
Participants in the ongoing QSO have no way convey QRL to the automatic
station.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on
Behalf Of John B. Stephensen
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 3:47 PM
.
I guess RTTY goes back even further though.
Then Packet (AX:25) came on the scene and I went for that instead.
Although I did own a KAM+ at one time, I never did get the hang of the
TOR modes.
Dave (G0DJA)
,
Dave, AA6YQ
-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on
Behalf Of KH6TY
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:30 PM
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Curious sound card modes question -
It will be spread spectrum
stated. I only point this out
for benefit of anyone considering the addition of an outboard tuner.
73
Dave
KB3MOW
My copy of ROS version 1.0.6 keeps crashing with the error message
Run-time error '5' invalid procedure call or argument
Dave (G0DJA)
Dave Ackrill wrote:
My copy of ROS version 1.0.6 keeps crashing with the error message
Run-time error '5' invalid procedure call or argument
Sorry, that should, of course, be version 1.6.5!
I'm getting my program versions mixed up...
Dave (G0DJA)
letters are showing. So, maybe
ROS tripped up over that as a problem?
I'll upload a copy of my screen grab to the pictures area.
Dave (G0DJA)
Just worked ZS6WAB using JT65A on 10M.
Am calling CQ using ROS on 28.300MHz if anyone is interested in trying
out the mode on that band?
Dave (G0DJA)
that I'll stick
with until we get a ruling otherwise.
Dave
K3DCW
Real radio bounces off the sky
On 21 Feb, at 2:45 AM, J. Moen wrote:
What is the FCC definition of spread spectrum, and where can it be located on
the internet?
Jim - K6JM
- Original
reference to the mode. Since
the ARRL is NOT the regulatory agency, it really only matters what shows up
in Part 97; and under Part 97, Chip64 is also illegal on HF in the US.
Dave
K3DCW
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:15 AM, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net wrote:
Thank you for your opinion, but need
a guide to where they might be.
Obviously, if the frequency is already in use by someone else, or
there's too much noise on a particular frequency, then people will move
a way off.
Dave (G0DJA)
.
And for the attended stations?
Given the 2.7kHz definition, attended stations would use the same area.
I think the band plans only mention 'unattended' to indicate where
'unattended' stations, if allowed, would be found.
Dave (G0DJA)
where SS is not specifically authorized. SS is specifically
authorized on above 222MHz. Since it is NOT specifically authorized below
222MHz, it is unauthorized.
For a complete copy of the Part 97, here is the link:
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/onepage.html.
Dave
K3DCW
JO31JG STOP
RX: 20:57 UTC 2.4 Hz. DL5SDG TF3HZ HP94AD OOO 73 STOP
Dave (G0DJA)
proposal generated a large negative reaction,
which resulted in the ARRL retracting its proposal before the FCC acted upon
it.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
theirs on the waterfall, but
could that still cause problems? My guess is that if they're using a 250 Hz.
filter, so would 125 Hz. be enough of a distance? I'm not a CWer, so that's
why I'm asking.
--
Dave - AF6AS
Andy obrien wrote:
My station is listening for ROS signals on 14080 USB (dial).
Oh, and I meant to ask if you were using 16 or 1 baud Andy?
Dave (G0DJA)
Andy obrien wrote:
My station is listening for ROS signals on 14080 USB (dial).
Seems to be too much RTTY about at the moment as well.
One of the WARC bands might be quieter?
Dave (G0DJA)
threat, and it's always a
conspiracy against them personally, of course...
Dave (G0DJA)
with the sequence rotated
by 26 bits, and so on.
Dave
K3DCW
Dave
Real radio bounces off the sky
On 19 Feb, at 5:45 PM, jose alberto nieto ros wrote:
¿Olivia is only MFSK? Why there is so ignorant people in the world?
De: Dave hfradio...@gmail.com
Para: digitalradio
iw1awh wrote:
Hi DAVE group !
Nice to work you this morning with this mode.
I got your email too.
Unfortunately there is too much qrm on 20m due to many rtty stations.
Thanks for the contact Rick,
Yes, I struggled with the RTTY as well but the move to 14.101 may help a
bit.
I just
.
Dave (G0DJA)
Try Hamspots, PSKreporter, and K3UK Sked Page
http://www.obriensweb.com/skedpskr4.html
Yahoo! Groups Links
* To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/
* Your email settings:
Individual Email
that you did not accidentally put an M in when you entered
your callsign? If you are anything like me, I can often accidentally
hit another key that is next to the one I want and The 'M' is just below
the 'K' of course...
Dave (G0DJA)
my system was in 'Auto' it had changed to 1
baud. I did not realise this until I hit the PTT button and wondered
why it was taking so long the transmit!
Other than closing the program down and restarting it, I couldn't see a
way to stop the transmission of a very long CQ string in 1 baud.
Dave
baud that switched my system over to that rate
instead of 16 baud.
Dave (G0DJA)
the few high-ender CW contesters, Winlink.
tnx es 73
Bruce
I'll fire up Spectrum Labs and see if I can collect a good sample for
you Bruce.
Dave (G0DJA)
Dave Ackrill wrote:
W3NJ wrote:
Seeing lots of interest on the new ROS mode.
Would someone be willing to post a HF capture in a wav file in the files
section or point to one online? I'm tuning around 14.101 and would be good
to know what I'm listening for. Haven't heard anything unique
Baud
Beware! These is was recorded straight from ROS to Spectrum Labs using
VAC, so they are very loud.
Dave (G0DJA)
Dave Ackrill wrote:
Beware! These is was recorded straight from ROS to Spectrum Labs using
VAC, so they are very loud.
Sorry, I changed what I was going to write as I realised I had not
ticked the 'notify people' button for the 16 bit file.
What that should say is Beware! These were
%
---
So, I guess it must have been him, but I didn't get any callsign
information at the time and he may have been trying to work someone else
of course.
Dave (G0DJA)
very interesting development in digital
communication.
Dave (G0DJA)
Hurray!
Got it working this morning. :-)
Dave (G0DJA)
and ran it from there.
I also got a 'file not found', but I had the same with another program I
tried to install the other day, exactly the same file not found -
something about a 5MHz log.msi file, and by cancelling the error message
several times both programs eventually loaded up OK.
Dave
. so the switch that allows just COM1 or 2 isn't much use to me
and I don't really like having to make the soundcard that I use for
digital modes the Windows default either.
Thanks - Dave (G0DJA)
the PTT to COM 4.
Dave (G0DJA)
for my old interface. HI.
I'll leave ROS monitoring 14.080 as I have to do a bit more work and
collect Kate from work.
The ROS alarm just went off, so it looks like I can hear someone
already. ;-)
Cheers - Dave (G0DJA)
.
It looks like it might be a good mode to try on 10, 17 or 12M as well.
Dave (G0DJA)
Toby Burnett wrote:
Dave, your the only other G station I see testing this. What are your
thoughts on the 500hz digi mode band allocation and this type of signal,
certainly blasted by rtty but cant help think we are doing the same?
Hi Toby,
I have to say that, given the 'width
Andy obrien wrote:
http://*rosmodem*.wordpress.com/
That URL will only work if you take out the '*' of course, as in
http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
Dave (G0DJA)
.
Dave (G0DJA)
less knowledge than I
have of what 'real' spread spectrum is get the idea that RIO is
something that it is actually not and start their inevitable campaign of
'It's illegal, it's immoral and it makes you fat', to use the words of
the song...
Dave (G0DJA)
Dave Ackrill wrote:
I'd actually say that the term 'spread spectrum' is actually incorrect
as far as RIO is concerned. It's actually no more 'spread' than some of
the other digi-modes and less 'spread' than some versions of Olivia.
Sorry, I meant ROS of course.
Mark it down as my senior
the carriers
are generated.
That's strange, because I see many US Amateurs using modes such as
Olivia and various other data modes...
Dave (G0DJA)
Claudio wrote:
HI: I M calling 14080 usb, beam europe but no reply.
claudio-LU2VC
Sorry Claudio, things seemed to be getting quiet and I went to 30M using
JT65a.
Dave (G0DJA)
Try Hamspots, PSKreporter, and K3UK Sked Page
http://www.obriensweb.com
. Skip is correct here and Andy is right to be concerned.
Dave
K3DCW
Dave
Real radio bounces off the sky
On 19 Feb, at 4:47 PM, KH6TY wrote:
Jose,
We want to be able to use the mode on HF, but it is not our decision, but our
FCC's decision, for whatever
group to discuss this mode?
--
Dave - AF6AS
- Original Message -
From: vinceinwaukesha vi...@mulhollon.com
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:51 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Ackrill dave.g0
at any
price...
Dave (G0DJA)
Dave wrote:
Jose (and all),
My two-cents worth:
Olivia is MFSK (or AMFSK), ROS is Spread Spectrum. MFSK is legal on HF, SS
is not.
It isn't about bandwidth or any of the other arguments. Since ROS is Spread
Spectrum then it is not allowed on HF in areas regulated by the FCC
trying for a two way contact?
Dave (G0DJA)
between
the Mark and Space ratio, I would think.
Dave (G0DJA)
Andy obrien wrote:
I'M QRV now with this software... will look for you Dave.
I failed at the 1st Fence Andy.
Downloaded something to be able to cope with RAR files and I'm getting a
runtime error when I try to run the executable.
So, I obviously need to sort out some problem with running
completely legal and harmless.
Unless you are one of the people who have decided, on no authority
except their own, that you don't like it and it should be 'banned'
forthwith, who cares?
Dave (G0DJA)
Andy obrien wrote:
The description says it uses spread-spectrun
How wide is 'wide'?
Not got to grips with this as yet, obviously.
Dave (G0DJA)
my entire
log just for the heck of it.
--
Dave - AF6AS
--
From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:13 PM
To: digitalradio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] K3UK moves ahead of DP1POL in rankings
I am
and it was
causing the digital to fail when passing a message. We could go keyboard to
keyboard without any problems. What sort of suppression kit could we install
on the generator to eliminate the interference?
TNX 73,
Dave N0EOP
31033
graham787 wrote:
.. but most of the EU stations are limited to 100 Hz b/w ..
Sorry, I may be missing something here, but which EU stations are
limited to 100Hz bandwidth, and why?
Dave (G0DJA)
no
such regulations in past years, restricting the bandwidth of the
transmissions within the various Amateur Bands.
You had to keep within the band edge of course, but this limit as stated
makes no sense and seems to have no basis in any real licence condition
here in the UK at all...
Dave (G0DJA)
).
Now as I discovered, thanks to Andy, is that professional SdR are controlled
through a defined protocol, something as a Cat system protocol.
Perhaps, Dave (AA6YQ) will add, in the future, through Commander, the
necessary commands to control the different SdR...
Commander has long been able
and left it at that. Maybe that sort of conversation might be 'OK' on
air, but I wouldn't want to have it because personally I don't think the
Amateur Bands are the place to have conversations that you have in the
Pub. But that's just my point of view. HI.
Dave (G0DJA)
this.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Andy obrien
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:24 PM
To: digitalradio; alera...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [digitalradio] Future of ALE and HF Link.
I have decided
, you'll find that both
those programs allow you to widen and narrow the bandwidth and adjust
the filters. The use of click and hold whilst sliding the filter skirts
is very useful.
Using VAC you can send the audio to DM780 or any other digital mode
program that recognises the VAC drivers.
Dave
against broken start and stop bits within that
sequence? Brian K6STI referred to his decoding technique as employing a
flywheel, which I interpreted as a means of adjusting the synchronous
timing with high-quality start bits decoded within the sequence.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
produce an almost error free
message transfer wont give me quite the thrill of exchanging contact
details on the 23 or 3cm band via aircraft or rain scatter modes by ear
with a new country or square.
That is the bit that the computer, for me, can never replace.
Dave G0DJA
Thanks Wes.
WinWarbler uses MMTTY as its RTTY engine; thus MMTTY can be configured to
achieve the same performance as that shown for WinWarbler.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Wes Cosand
Sent
have better
taste than I gave my daughter credit for...
Joking aside, Olivia is a very nice mode, if only a few more people
would use it.
Dave (G0DJA)
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