Re: [IxDA Discuss] iPad.
Well, the first person to tell me he's absolutely getting one (rather than waiting to see one in person) is my 70+yr old father. Which doesn't surprise me, since he's an early adaptor of all things technological (he has the first generation iPhone, and we were the first people I knew to get a VCR - and yes, it was a Betamax). It's going to replace his netbook and the e-reader he planned to order. ~ Tracy Boyington tracy_boying...@okcareertech.org Oklahoma Department of Career Technology Education Stillwater, OK http://www.okcareertech.org/cimc Jim Leftwich jl...@orbitnet.com 1/29/2010 1:31 PM I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a prediction, based on a few surprising data points I've already gathered and an intuition: The iPad is going to make a big splash with older people. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I think Apple was really smart to leverage everything they created with the iPhone. Especially the App Store. I think it will be huge. I think the simple change in form factor and screen size will create a whole new use case that doesn't exist yet: casual computing. You CAN put a laptop in your lap as you lean back, but it's really awkward and looks stupid. Not to mention burns your lap and runs out of batteries in 2 hours. This is as simple as holding a newspaper. I think it will make all the difference. As a platform, it has huge potential that is hard to visualize because it's so new to us, and we try and fit our previous experiences into it instead. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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While Apple may have shown the way for the music business to stay alive, look at the price we pay. We _have_ to use iTunes to watch any video we purchase through the iTunes Store. We put up with the DRM in iTunes. Apple denied Google their VOIP app due to duplication of functionality. Will that happen with other apps on the iPad? Will they allow another mail application? Will they allow another music application? The model that the iPhone OS uses has each application use its own database to access files it creates. How will we access a text file created with one app in another editor? Will we first have to sync it with cloud storage and access the file that way from the second app? Also keep in mind that Apple once supported OpenDocument. This seems like its antithesis. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Best assessment of what the iPad really represents why its critics have gotten it precisely wrong yet again: http://www.macworld.com/article/146038/2010/01/ipad_future_shock.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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The issue I have with this line of thinking is that Apple has already opened Pandora's Box on the iPad. With iWork, people will will create content and they'll want to share that content. How do you share anything from one iPad to another? Are we just going to fall back to a cloud sharing system? You might say that this isn't a problem on the iPhone, but the iPhone is a pure consumption device. It really isn't a problem. The form factor doesn't make anyone want to create anything on it other than text messages or emails. Now with this new form factor, I think people are going to want to create more and different kinds of content than just emails or Facebook updates. As soon as that happens, they'll want to share that with everyone. They'll want to use the iPad in a way that it's unclear how to do. Something's going to give. I just don't know what. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a prediction, based on a few surprising data points I've already gathered and an intuition: The iPad is going to make a big splash with older people. Grandmothers and grandfathers, retired people, older folks that a desktop or laptop has up until now just seemed to be overkill. Elders who may have been amazed by the the iPhones younger folks have shown them, but felt that they either didn't need a phone, it was too small and fiddly, or both. My 88-year-old neighbor who only has a very old mid-1990s computer (that can't effectively connect to modern online experience) excitedly showed me all the news item clippings on the iPad she's collected and suggested that this may just be what she was looking for. Another friend said that his 77-year-old mother surprised him by announcing that she's decided she's going to get one. The simplified nature of iPhone/iPod Touch-scale apps, coupled with the easy to carry around or prop up form factor may indeed be an excellent fit for the lifestyle of older adults. Widgets that are as simple as weather, finance, photos, email, messaging, etc. on the iPhone/iPod Touch are very handy, simple, and useful and the kind of service and information that there's no easy, large-format access to by older people without computers or small mobile devices. The Nintendo Wii surprised a lot of people when it became a hit with older people, and the iPad may be the next device to do the same. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Jim, My 70+ parents are going to order one! :-) Kevin On Jan 29, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Jim Leftwich wrote: I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a prediction, based on a few surprising data points I've already gathered and an intuition: The iPad is going to make a big splash with older people. Grandmothers and grandfathers, retired people, older folks that a desktop or laptop has up until now just seemed to be overkill. Elders who may have been amazed by the the iPhones younger folks have shown them, but felt that they either didn't need a phone, it was too small and fiddly, or both. My 88-year-old neighbor who only has a very old mid-1990s computer (that can't effectively connect to modern online experience) excitedly showed me all the news item clippings on the iPad she's collected and suggested that this may just be what she was looking for. Another friend said that his 77-year-old mother surprised him by announcing that she's decided she's going to get one. The simplified nature of iPhone/iPod Touch-scale apps, coupled with the easy to carry around or prop up form factor may indeed be an excellent fit for the lifestyle of older adults. Widgets that are as simple as weather, finance, photos, email, messaging, etc. on the iPhone/iPod Touch are very handy, simple, and useful and the kind of service and information that there's no easy, large-format access to by older people without computers or small mobile devices. The Nintendo Wii surprised a lot of people when it became a hit with older people, and the iPad may be the next device to do the same. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Jim, Great call. I have been trying to figure out the right thing to buy my very intelligent, computer-free aunt who is 88 years old and lives in the outbacks of Minnesota. (As a side note - she and her husband sold and repaired business equipment and typewriters - right about the time when the first Xerox copier came out). She recently asked me about netbooks which she read about in the AARP magazine. I have also considered buying her a Kindle. But the iPad is a better match. Very smart insight. - Donna Quoting Jim Leftwich jl...@orbitnet.com: I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a prediction, based on a few surprising data points I've already gathered and an intuition: The iPad is going to make a big splash with older people. Grandmothers and grandfathers, retired people, older folks that a desktop or laptop has up until now just seemed to be overkill. Elders who may have been amazed by the the iPhones younger folks have shown them, but felt that they either didn't need a phone, it was too small and fiddly, or both. My 88-year-old neighbor who only has a very old mid-1990s computer (that can't effectively connect to modern online experience) excitedly showed me all the news item clippings on the iPad she's collected and suggested that this may just be what she was looking for. Another friend said that his 77-year-old mother surprised him by announcing that she's decided she's going to get one. The simplified nature of iPhone/iPod Touch-scale apps, coupled with the easy to carry around or prop up form factor may indeed be an excellent fit for the lifestyle of older adults. Widgets that are as simple as weather, finance, photos, email, messaging, etc. on the iPhone/iPod Touch are very handy, simple, and useful and the kind of service and information that there's no easy, large-format access to by older people without computers or small mobile devices. The Nintendo Wii surprised a lot of people when it became a hit with older people, and the iPad may be the next device to do the same. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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The response to Swartz's post that comes to mind for me is to ask what the iPod and iTunes have done for the greater music market, while still holding onto to a great deal of its comprehensive control. Scott On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Neil Cadsawan n...@cadsawan.net wrote: Weird that my last post got munged somehow... In any case, I was pointing out a post by Aaron Swartz: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/ipad and a post on Fast Company: http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/jamais-cascio/open-future/iworry With the iPhone OS being a closed system, this could be problematic in the sense that as a device that supposedly fills in the gap between the iPhone and the Mac, it doesn't really share many capabilities of a Mac. I think people are okay having a limited ability to install applications through iTunes on an iPhone due to its form factor. With this new form factor, it's much more a general computing device and expectations might be more like a Mac - being able to do things you'd expect on a Mac. I'm certain people will try to jailbreak the iPad to get around this limitation, but that's not an optimal solution. For the iPad to truly fit that space, Apple would have to give up some control, and I don't ever see that happening. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- You always have the carny connection. - Clair High Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Really interesting chat, here's my input... From a design point of view it does look like a giant iPhone although with a much fatter, uglier border around the outside. Not being able to run multiple apps at the same time is a minus point; not being able to chat online and browse the web will become pretty frustrating. I assume the durability of it will be better tha the iPhone screen especially as, like other laptops/netbooks it doesn't have a fold down screen to protect it. But it still does look interesting, the name doesn't reallly bother me, it does seem to be filling a price gap, macs laptops are really expensive and now more people can afford to had an equivalent at home/work etc. http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/frantic_steve_jobs_stays_up . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from ixda.org (via iPhone) http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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A few other random thoughts on the iPad: - First off, to get a sense of the interactions you need to watch the video: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ (watching this changed the way I view the product...even though there is a lot of back-slapping going on) - Starting with 100K+ software apps (existing iPhone apps) is killer...already way ahead of anything else - Price is amazing. I was talking to a guy on the Litl team ( http://litl.com/ ) and he was going on about how expensive the 178 degree screens are...in fact they had to choose between touch and 178 degree...and Apple has done both at an amazing price. - Feels like it is mostly for non-geeks who aren't doing computing...mostly for informal, family type sort of thing (showing photos, cooking w/recipes etc). For example, my mother-in-law will buy this instead of a Macbook. - The design constraints we saw with the iPhone seem to apply here...most apps seem to only have very few action buttons, etc. - The accessories seem a bit odd, but necessary - It syncs with a PC or Mac...so is a peripheral like the iPod or iPhone, not a central-hub device...also the small memory amounts support this idea as well - I'm not crazy about the look of the rebuilt apps, but for their target audience it's probably spot on...realistic-looking, easy to grok and get started with - it makes sense there is no back-facing camera right now...it would be awkward taking pictures with a tablet-shaped thingy. - they just blew Amazon away...there is no reason to own a Kindle now, imo. This is a perfect thing to read a digital paper, magazine, or book on. - The real interesting bits for me are iWork and the Brushes apps...these are apps that can make this useful for a professional, not just a homebody. I can't wait for a wireframing app or a simple design app of some sort. On Jan 27, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Luke Wroblewski wrote: Since no one has brought it up yet... I'll go. Overall what was expected. The big innovation for me is all this stuff integrated in one simple package. Which is kind of being glossed over in the press. and the price point -very low. -liked the rebuilt apple apps. calendar contacts are nicely rethought. lots of new ui in iwork. -the times demo is just the start of the kind of integrated media experiences you can build. my thoughts on that: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?951 -the cover is awesome design it supports swivel, tip, and protects -the $9 for numbers vs. $229 for excel is really interesting from a business perspective Notable hardware gaps (concerning cause no software update will fix) -camera -storage sizes 64GB for videos, photos, and music -does not cut it -usb port -it uses camera adaptors instead -GPS only on 3G model -how's it work with an iphone? Notable software gaps (can/will be addressed with software updates) -multiple iphone apps running at once -multiple users -how do you share the device at home? -doesn't run flash = many holes on web pages -no really new interactions -all iphone UI or the most part. but lots of the floating controls outlined here: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?983 your thoughts? Joshua Porter, Founder Bokardo Design Interface design strategy for social web apps mobile: 508-954-1896 http://bokardo.com por...@bokardo.com twitter: bokardo Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Luke, your spot on. I'll even take it one step further and say that Apple should have named it the iKid. I see this as the perfect device for my son (albeit, he's barely 2) and my nieces and nephews who are elementary age and beyond. Maybe it could also have been named iFamily, this isn't the ultimate device for me, it's for everyone else in my family. On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Luke Wroblewski wrote: To me this is the market for this device. My wife is exactly the same, she surfs the Web, reads blogs, watches TV movies, and looks at photos on her Macbook. This is a couch device, a bedroom device (don't read that the wrong way), a kitchen device (swivel it to cook from a recipe). All places where a laptop always felt wrong. I think of it a digital version of your leisure activities –reading, communicating, light gaming, surfing, etc. Not your work activities (PC/laptop) or your on the go activities (smartphone). On Jan 27, 2010, at 6:59 PM, mark schraad wrote: As soon as they are taking them I will place my order for a couple. The wife's macbook is about to die and she basically surfs the web, uploads photos and checks email. The ipad connected by wireless to my home network (with more storage available there) will work just great. I also anticipate her being able to play music on the stereo and a hundred other things from the couch. :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Was I the only person in the world who was expecting it to be the MacBook Air with a touchscreen and no keyboard? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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On Jan 27, 2010, at 7:08 PM, graham.s...@gmail.com wrote: I assume the durability of it will be better tha the iPhone screen especially as, like other laptops/netbooks it doesn't have a fold down screen to protect it. Graham, I don't understand. The durability of the iPhone screen is superb. I've been using iPhones (original and 3Gs) since its original release without any kind of case or screen protector, and have not had a single scratch. Jack Jack L. Moffett Senior Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com You could design a process to catch everything, but then you're overprocessing. You kill creativity. You kill productivity. By definition, a culture like ours that drives innovation is managed chaos. -Alex Lee President, OXO International Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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How often have you dropped your iPhone? I personally haven't, but have many friends that have gone through 2, 3, even 4 - a drop from 4' is deadly. I won't denigrate the feature set because I am not the intended audience. For business travel, I need all my design apps and I need them multimodal, not sovereign - and multitasking is a must. I also can't not have skype for conference calls on the road - so it's not a replacement for my mbp: it would just be another device that serves no purpose for which I already have tools. For the intended audience, it may or may not be great - I have no idea the personas this is designed and built for - but certainly not a traveling ux practitioner. Cheers, ~ will Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems Will Evans | Director, Experience Design tel: +1.617.281.1281 | w...@semanticfoundry.com http://blog.semanticfoundry.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/semanticwill aim: semanticwill gtalk: semanticwill twitter: semanticwill skype: semanticwill On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Jack Moffett wrote: On Jan 27, 2010, at 7:08 PM, graham.s...@gmail.com wrote: I assume the durability of it will be better tha the iPhone screen especially as, like other laptops/netbooks it doesn't have a fold down screen to protect it. Graham, I don't understand. The durability of the iPhone screen is superb. I've been using iPhones (original and 3Gs) since its original release without any kind of case or screen protector, and have not had a single scratch. Jack Jack L. Moffett Senior Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com You could design a process to catch everything, but then you're overprocessing. You kill creativity. You kill productivity. By definition, a culture like ours that drives innovation is managed chaos. -Alex Lee President, OXO International Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I think one issue is that it is not widescreen. If it about consuming media shouldn't the device be wide screen for movies. Is it a good user experiance watching a movie on a narrow screen? Also I can not just plug in devices into the USB. And there is the issue of DRM. Especially with apple controlling application release which can take weeks. You can not role out a bug fix, or a improved feature. Everybody is talking about continuous improvements as the way forward. Apple place large block on this by thier approval basis. James http://blog.feralabs.com 2010/1/28 Will Evans w...@semanticfoundry.com How often have you dropped your iPhone? I personally haven't, but have many friends that have gone through 2, 3, even 4 - a drop from 4' is deadly. I won't denigrate the feature set because I am not the intended audience. For business travel, I need all my design apps and I need them multimodal, not sovereign - and multitasking is a must. I also can't not have skype for conference calls on the road - so it's not a replacement for my mbp: it would just be another device that serves no purpose for which I already have tools. For the intended audience, it may or may not be great - I have no idea the personas this is designed and built for - but certainly not a traveling ux practitioner. Cheers, ~ will Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems Will Evans | Director, Experience Design tel: +1.617.281.1281 | w...@semanticfoundry.com http://blog.semanticfoundry.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/semanticwill aim: semanticwill gtalk: semanticwill twitter: semanticwill skype: semanticwill On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Jack Moffett wrote: On Jan 27, 2010, at 7:08 PM, graham.s...@gmail.com wrote: I assume the durability of it will be better tha the iPhone screen especially as, like other laptops/netbooks it doesn't have a fold down screen to protect it. Graham, I don't understand. The durability of the iPhone screen is superb. I've been using iPhones (original and 3Gs) since its original release without any kind of case or screen protector, and have not had a single scratch. Jack Jack L. Moffett Senior Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com You could design a process to catch everything, but then you're overprocessing. You kill creativity. You kill productivity. By definition, a culture like ours that drives innovation is managed chaos. -Alex Lee President, OXO International Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I've dropped mine several times, but it doesn't seem the uses of the iPad are exactly matched with the iPhone - running to the taxi, for instance. Of course it's durability is a concern, and may prove to be a major shortcoming, but I think so much of the discussion seems to be around it being in the same space as the iPhone/iTouch, or for the single persona of UX practitioner on the IxDA list (which you specifically call out here, so thank you!) Cheers, Scott On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Will Evans w...@semanticfoundry.com wrote: How often have you dropped your iPhone? I personally haven't, but have many friends that have gone through 2, 3, even 4 - a drop from 4' is deadly. I won't denigrate the feature set because I am not the intended audience. For business travel, I need all my design apps and I need them multimodal, not sovereign - and multitasking is a must. I also can't not have skype for conference calls on the road - so it's not a replacement for my mbp: it would just be another device that serves no purpose for which I already have tools. For the intended audience, it may or may not be great - I have no idea the personas this is designed and built for - but certainly not a traveling ux practitioner. Cheers, ~ will Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems Will Evans | Director, Experience Design tel: +1.617.281.1281 | w...@semanticfoundry.com http://blog.semanticfoundry.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/semanticwill aim: semanticwill gtalk: semanticwill twitter: semanticwill skype: semanticwill On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Jack Moffett wrote: On Jan 27, 2010, at 7:08 PM, graham.s...@gmail.com wrote: I assume the durability of it will be better tha the iPhone screen especially as, like other laptops/netbooks it doesn't have a fold down screen to protect it. Graham, I don't understand. The durability of the iPhone screen is superb. I've been using iPhones (original and 3Gs) since its original release without any kind of case or screen protector, and have not had a single scratch. Jack Jack L. Moffett Senior Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com -- You always have the carny connection. - Clair High Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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everything is widescreen if you adjust the height (and put controls there). Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:06 AM, James Page jamesp...@gmail.com wrote: I think one issue is that it is not widescreen. If it about consuming media shouldn't the device be wide screen for movies. Is it a good user experiance watching a movie on a narrow screen? Also I can not just plug in devices into the USB. And there is the issue of DRM. Especially with apple controlling application release which can take weeks. You can not role out a bug fix, or a improved feature. Everybody is talking about continuous improvements as the way forward. Apple place large block on this by thier approval basis. James http://blog.feralabs.com 2010/1/28 Will Evans w...@semanticfoundry.com How often have you dropped your iPhone? I personally haven't, but have many friends that have gone through 2, 3, even 4 - a drop from 4' is deadly. I won't denigrate the feature set because I am not the intended audience. For business travel, I need all my design apps and I need them multimodal, not sovereign - and multitasking is a must. I also can't not have skype for conference calls on the road - so it's not a replacement for my mbp: it would just be another device that serves no purpose for which I already have tools. For the intended audience, it may or may not be great - I have no idea the personas this is designed and built for - but certainly not a traveling ux practitioner. Cheers, ~ will Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems --- --- --- --- Will Evans | Director, Experience Design tel: +1.617.281.1281 | w...@semanticfoundry.com http://blog.semanticfoundry.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/semanticwill aim: semanticwill gtalk: semanticwill twitter: semanticwill skype: semanticwill --- --- --- --- On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Jack Moffett wrote: On Jan 27, 2010, at 7:08 PM, graham.s...@gmail.com wrote: I assume the durability of it will be better tha the iPhone screen especially as, like other laptops/netbooks it doesn't have a fold down screen to protect it. Graham, I don't understand. The durability of the iPhone screen is superb. I've been using iPhones (original and 3Gs) since its original release without any kind of case or screen protector, and have not had a single scratch. Jack Jack L. Moffett Senior Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com You could design a process to catch everything, but then you're overprocessing. You kill creativity. You kill productivity. By definition, a culture like ours that drives innovation is managed chaos. -Alex Lee President, OXO International Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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See, I'd love to be in a position where my market share and audience obliged us to look at my productions in this way ;) I've maintained (or tried) to keep this perspective on Google Wave, for example. To go with single user examples, my fiancee immediately said upon watching it My mom would be all over this, since she only browses for news, has corrected eyesight and does email, also finding herself frustrated with even longstanding commonly used standard computer interactions to do simple tasks, such as scrolling with a mouse and copy-pasting. Scott On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Neil Cadsawan n...@cadsawan.net wrote: Other conversations that I've been having today revolve around whether or not this could be an introduction of slow design into the computing world. Best described here: http://www.good.is/post/hurry-up-and-wait/ Could be. I too see this as more of a book or newspaper replacement than a laptop or iphone replacement. The form factor leads you to interact with it differently than either of those two. We must now come up with the content that will make this device shine. Apple's given us their tabula rasa, so to speak, and it will only be as good as the content that best makes use of its technology. -- You always have the carny connection. - Clair High Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I think ipad is going to be wonderful for graphic application. I would love to see omnigraffle on this, it should make the designing much more fun - could be just me. (I know mouse offers greater precision but that can be supported with software). Also, I think for other elements like video manipulation etc, it could be a great tool. Overall I think biggest feature is multi-touch with such a large screen, opens up so many possibilities. It allows one to build an endless workspace which can be navigated with scaling up and down, moving things around - it's exciting for iteration designs. Cheers Alok Jain (AJ) http://insightify.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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As someone's wife, I agree. But my husband would use it the same way I would... updating blog/Facebook or reading email in front of the TV, watching a movie on the road, looking up a recipe in the kitchen, surfing the web anywhere. Apple deliberately placed it between the iPhone and a real computer, and it fits there nicely. I'm not going to do any actual *work* on an iPad. I'd use a laptop for that. I don't need to be able to use it with one hand - I've got my iPhone for that. ~ Tracy Boyington tracy_boying...@okcareertech.org Oklahoma Department of Career Technology Education Stillwater, OK http://www.okcareertech.org/cimc Navid Sadikali navid.sadik...@gmail.com 1/28/2010 12:40 AM I think these observations are on track - what people's wives need ie what *most *people do in terms of computing. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Will Evans wrote: How often have you dropped your iPhone? I personally haven't, but have many friends that have gone through 2, 3, even 4 - a drop from 4' is deadly. Enough that I stopped counting. I've dropped it face down on a concrete floor a couple times (slid out of my shirt pocket when I bent over). As long as it lands on a flat surface, the glass is fine. Drop it on, say, cobblestones, and it will shatter. Best, Jack Jack L. Moffett Senior Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com There is no good design that is not based on the understanding of people. - Stefano Marzano CEO of Philips Design Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Overall, a nice and compelling (esp. for some applications) technology package, but perhaps not groundbreaking at the level all the hype might have promised. Top things I was surprised/disappointed it does not include (some already mentioned): 1. Forward-facing still/video camera (would have made an amazing Skype terminal, and could have added an incredible dimension to network gaming, could have allowed magic mirror shared whiteboarding, etc.) So many possibilities there; I guess I need to wait and see next year when gen2 is announced. :) 2. Flash support (work it out with Adobe, already... the new processor can probably handle it fine) 3. Pen option (notetaking in the margins of ebooks would be huge for the edu market; I suppose the soft keyboard could fulfill that function without a stylus to constantly misplace). 4. Wireless sync, at least for apps. Content could be handled in other ways (see my next comment). Why should I have to drag it to the computer all the time? Isn't this thing supposed to help me get untethered from a traditional computer? 5. Cloud content solution. For now I guess we need to rely on 3rd parties for similar functionality (see my next comment). I'm less worried about memory limitations for content; apps like SimplifyMedia can address that. The future of media distribution (already underway) is cloud storage and access. With Apple's Lala acquisition, iTunes in the cloud may not be that far off. Multi-tasking would have been nice... maybe it will come in a later OS release. But for the masses and casual use, it's probably okay for now (and certainly simpler to use), though lack of an ability to run an arbitrary social networking app in the background is a shame. If you could even run a main app and a single mini-app simultaneously, that might scratch the itch for many. Media-sharing of photos, etc. would have been a nice out of box... e.g., let your parents/friends subscribe to your iPhoto collection, etc. But 3rd parties can fill the void there. I'm excited about the new iPad app suite, not so much because of the specific apps themselves (some of which are impressive), but because they (along with the new SDK) will provide a springboard for app developers to build on and create a new breed of bigger-screen multitouch-based software. That is what will really spark a revolution. Robert. --- Robert Reimann | User Experience Design | Sonos, Inc. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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my wife's husband is the same way but he doesn't use recipes to cook. he wings it :) For those interested, I wrote up an expanded set of thoughts on the market, interactions, and design of the iPad at: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?990 thanks~ On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Tracy Boyington wrote: As someone's wife, I agree. But my husband would use it the same way I would... updating blog/Facebook or reading email in front of the TV, watching a movie on the road, looking up a recipe in the kitchen, surfing the web anywhere. Apple deliberately placed it between the iPhone and a real computer, and it fits there nicely. I'm not going to do any actual *work* on an iPad. I'd use a laptop for that. I don't nee :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I love the fact that it's larger multi-touch device. I think that Apple has nailed the speed of interaction with the user's input. (On other devices, the lag of device touch interaction with my interaction drives me crazy.) I wish we could see more of John Elias and Wayne Westerman's hand in the mutli-touch gestures and on screen keyboard. I've had a Touch Stream keyboard for years and they do some wonderful things around using chord modifiers to make typing easier. For example, instead of reaching for the shift key, on the Touch Stream keyboard you place all four fingers on the home row of the left side to place the keyboard in Caps mode for right side. And vise verse. Above the home row for 'Control' and below the home row for 'Alt'. I think that the device has great potential for other types of keyboards similar to the Optimus Tactus keyboard. http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-tactus/ Which I think we saw in the Brush demo. (Which my kids would love). And kudos to Jonathan Ive. He's the best thing that ever happened to Apple. I'll hold the rest of my opinions until I can get my hands on one. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Tracy Boyington tracy_boying...@okcareertech.org wrote: As someone's wife, I agree. But my husband would use it the same way I would... updating blog/Facebook or reading email in front of the TV, watching a movie on the road, looking up a recipe in the kitchen, surfing the web anywhere. Apple deliberately placed it between the iPhone and a real computer, and it fits there nicely. I'm not going to do any actual *work* on an iPad. I'd use a laptop for that. I don't need to be able to use it with one hand - I've got my iPhone for that. ~ Tracy Boyington tracy_boying...@okcareertech.org Oklahoma Department of Career Technology Education Stillwater, OK http://www.okcareertech.org/cimc Navid Sadikali navid.sadik...@gmail.com 1/28/2010 12:40 AM I think these observations are on track - what people's wives need ie what *most *people do in terms of computing. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Sean Gerety wrote: And kudos to Jonathan Ive. He's the best thing that ever happened to Apple. Um, aside from that guy, uh, what's his name... oh, Steve! Jack L. Moffett Senior Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com Design is a process - an intimate collaboration between engineers, designers, and clients. - Henry Dreyfuss Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned HTML5 video. People are just too worried about Flash. On 28 January 2010 16:21, Jack Moffett jackmoff...@mac.com wrote: On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Sean Gerety wrote: And kudos to Jonathan Ive. He's the best thing that ever happened to Apple. Um, aside from that guy, uh, what's his name... oh, Steve! Jack L. Moffett Senior Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com Design is a process - an intimate collaboration between engineers, designers, and clients. - Henry Dreyfuss Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I've heard a few complaints about the size of the border.. come on folks! You need an area to hold the thing without accidentally clicking stuff on the edges of the screen. A small border would be a usability disaster for the iPad. - Loren On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Rafael Schouchana rafasc...@gmail.comwrote: I'm surprised nobody mentioned HTML5 video. People are just too worried about Flash. On 28 January 2010 16:21, Jack Moffett jackmoff...@mac.com wrote: On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Sean Gerety wrote: And kudos to Jonathan Ive. He's the best thing that ever happened to Apple. Um, aside from that guy, uh, what's his name... oh, Steve! Jack L. Moffett Senior Interaction Designer inmedius 412.459.0310 x219 http://www.inmedius.com Design is a process - an intimate collaboration between engineers, designers, and clients. - Henry Dreyfuss Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Loren Baxter blog: http://acleandesign.com business: http://engagebig.com t: @lorenbaxter Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Basically I think it may be an awesome new form of computing, but have serious doubts that it's the ultimate e-book product. - Loren This is at the core of my issue regarding the kindle, and why I don't have one. I have little use for yet another dedicated device that I have to lug around, charge and update software on. To the extend that I can purpose more functionality in an equivalent manor to the device I already have, I am happier. The dedicated device will typically have a more robust set of features - and I would not expect the iPad to match with the kindle one-to-one. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Apple is planting itself in the future. Like Wayne Gretzky says, go to where the puck is going to be. And the future is HTML 5. Notice how Youtube now supports HTML 5 too. If you continue to coddle old technology, we won't be forced to build forward. I think this is an intentional, good move although it took me a day to think that way. 2. Flash support (work it out with Adobe, already... the new processor can probably handle it fine) Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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If this thing has any educational apps, I would probably buy one for my 3 year old (I mean, of course I would use it too ;) Touch is a natural interface that he would have no problems with. Currently he does know how to use a mouse, but clicking the buttons and keeping the pointer in the same spot are tricky for him. Also, clicking outside of the app window and losing window focus are frustrating. So only running one app at a time would actually be a benefit in this case. I think it could be a great device that could provide some really nice interactive learning opportunities. Assuming of course it can handle the abuse it will no doubt receive. But hey, that's what extended warranties are for . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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One thing that haven't seen anyone here yet discuss is the larger picture of the OS and app economy. While I mused about this situation, Aaron Swartz has a good write up about it: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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To the best of my knowledge all future AI venues will be in the large room. Leo -Original Message- From: discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Neil Cadsawan Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:56 AM To: disc...@ixda.org Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] iPad. One thing that haven't seen anyone here yet discuss is the larger picture of the OS and app economy. While I mused about this situation, Aaron Swartz has a good write up about it: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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its also worth noting that while the market may be narrower than say an iPhone or iPod, the OEM potential is huge. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Luke Wroblewski l...@lukew.com wrote: Since no one has brought it up yet... I'll go. Overall what was expected. The big innovation for me is all this stuff integrated in one simple package. Which is kind of being glossed over in the press. and the price point -very low. -liked the rebuilt apple apps. calendar contacts are nicely rethought. lots of new ui in iwork. -the times demo is just the start of the kind of integrated media experiences you can build. my thoughts on that: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?951 -the cover is awesome design it supports swivel, tip, and protects -the $9 for numbers vs. $229 for excel is really interesting from a business perspective Notable hardware gaps (concerning cause no software update will fix) -camera -storage sizes 64GB for videos, photos, and music -does not cut it -usb port -it uses camera adaptors instead -GPS only on 3G model -how's it work with an iphone? Notable software gaps (can/will be addressed with software updates) -multiple iphone apps running at once -multiple users -how do you share the device at home? -doesn't run flash = many holes on web pages -no really new interactions -all iphone UI or the most part. but lots of the floating controls outlined here: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?983 your thoughts? :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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My ten cents ... HP having been saying that this year is the year of the tablet, and I think they're right. However, there are a few things about the iPad that make me keep looking: 1. DRM; I want control over my content. iTunes sucks; in Europe it sucks even more. 2. price; my guess is about 600 euro in Europe, at least. 3. not enough storage, 64 GB? come on .. with blueray DVD file sizes coming out at between 5 and 9 GB that's not realistic (would have been nice if it could have acted as a USB host). Microsoft's tablet has been slated as totally under-powered, I'm cynical about HP; my tx2000 is nice, but their software is awful. Both Acer and Asus have announced tablets later this year and, since it'll probably still be October before the iPad is available in Europe, I think I'll just stick with my iPod touch and wait for a real tablet to come out. My Nokia will rise to the challenge? Simon. Simon North, Technical Writer. Quintiq Application Software BV 's Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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This would be great for my 18 month daughter to play with (unless she dribbles over it - is it splashproof?). I can see it being a big thing in education Just out of left field, this would have been nice if they could have worked like that 'siftables' thing were iPads in proximity begin to interact and work together. Siftables are smaller which makes them easier to manipulate from a tactile sense, but imagine being able to 'join' 9 iPads together to form a single large screen or workspace. That would be awesome for collaboration. Can you send me that doc? Sure [literally flicks it over] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Weird that my last post got munged somehow... In any case, I was pointing out a post by Aaron Swartz: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/ipad and a post on Fast Company: http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/jamais-cascio/open-future/iworry With the iPhone OS being a closed system, this could be problematic in the sense that as a device that supposedly fills in the gap between the iPhone and the Mac, it doesn't really share many capabilities of a Mac. I think people are okay having a limited ability to install applications through iTunes on an iPhone due to its form factor. With this new form factor, it's much more a general computing device and expectations might be more like a Mac - being able to do things you'd expect on a Mac. I'm certain people will try to jailbreak the iPad to get around this limitation, but that's not an optimal solution. For the iPad to truly fit that space, Apple would have to give up some control, and I don't ever see that happening. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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And even that is going to depend on what work is. The huge majority of what I do on a daily basis could be accomplished via Safari, Calendar, Mail, and iWork. I bought an Aspire One netbook to supplant my Nokia N800; this will replace that in my travel arsenal. -- Jim Via my iPhone On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Tracy Boyington tracy_boying...@okcareertech.org wrote: I'm not going to do any actual *work* on an iPad. I'd use a laptop for that. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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With so much going on here for the iPad we must look at the aspect of what went into deciding making a product like this? What I meant was that, did we address in our discussions the goals this product was supposed to have met? Of course, we will not know what goals Steve had in his mind when he decided to make a product like this. If this product was meant to have fixed goals and some dynamic then have they been met? Reading through the discussion, I found that this product has miserably failed and then again, has it? As with some of the recently launched new Apple products, they did receive a lot of flack for being what they are when they were launched. Probably because of the over all brand image that Apple has created, we tend to expect a lot more than what the product probably has to offer. Then again, a big fight against media hype and as this discussion has gone, looks like the product has failed. But if we were to understand that no product, which has new or experimental technology or interactions embedded, has really hit the bulls eye at first go. Is this because we are averse to change? Like some of Apple's products, we have seen or had, this product will take time to get used to. It will take time for us to understand its goals. It is in this aspect, I feel that Apple has failed to hit the nail on the head. To meet the brand expectations against a new product. As we all know that there are compromises to be made when anything new is being launched. This is because the business aspect of it does not provide us the liberty to keep on refining the product till its perfect. If this was the case, no new technology or product would get released in the market. To me, personally, I think I will wait till Apple releases future versions for us to really start catching up with this product. And I feel that Apple, will make drastic changes in the second release as it gets this product to work for them. Today, iPhone is a second me. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Agree that's its a great platform for trying out a lot of new interactions. I pulled out the ones Apple showed off in their keynote into a video and text overview: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?991 Some really interesting ideas emerge from seeing these examples in action~ On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Jim Jeffers wrote: If multi-touch is of interest to you then the iPad is a dream come true. As a designer having access to an affordable and capable computing device with a 10 multitouch screen is a dream come true! :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Since no one has brought it up yet... I'll go. Overall what was expected. The big innovation for me is all this stuff integrated in one simple package. Which is kind of being glossed over in the press. and the price point -very low. -liked the rebuilt apple apps. calendar contacts are nicely rethought. lots of new ui in iwork. -the times demo is just the start of the kind of integrated media experiences you can build. my thoughts on that: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?951 -the cover is awesome design it supports swivel, tip, and protects -the $9 for numbers vs. $229 for excel is really interesting from a business perspective Notable hardware gaps (concerning cause no software update will fix) -camera -storage sizes 64GB for videos, photos, and music -does not cut it -usb port -it uses camera adaptors instead -GPS only on 3G model -how's it work with an iphone? Notable software gaps (can/will be addressed with software updates) -multiple iphone apps running at once -multiple users -how do you share the device at home? -doesn't run flash = many holes on web pages -no really new interactions -all iphone UI or the most part. but lots of the floating controls outlined here: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?983 your thoughts? :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I'll say it: the name is wrong, wrong, wrong. Anyone with a research or marketing degree had to take a linguistics course, where you learned that you never name a product with something that is only one to two letter/sound/symbol away from any other another current product. 'iPad' is waay too close to 'iPod'. Apple makes a mistake. On Jan 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Luke Wroblewski wrote: Since no one has brought it up yet... I'll go. Overall what was expected. The big innovation for me is all this stuff integrated in one simple package. Which is kind of being glossed over in the press. and the price point -very low. -liked the rebuilt apple apps. calendar contacts are nicely rethought. lots of new ui in iwork. -the times demo is just the start of the kind of integrated media experiences you can build. my thoughts on that: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?951 -the cover is awesome design it supports swivel, tip, and protects -the $9 for numbers vs. $229 for excel is really interesting from a business perspective Notable hardware gaps (concerning cause no software update will fix) -camera -storage sizes 64GB for videos, photos, and music -does not cut it -usb port -it uses camera adaptors instead -GPS only on 3G model -how's it work with an iphone? Notable software gaps (can/will be addressed with software updates) -multiple iphone apps running at once -multiple users -how do you share the device at home? -doesn't run flash = many holes on web pages -no really new interactions -all iphone UI or the most part. but lots of the floating controls outlined here: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?983 your thoughts? :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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You think *that* is what is wrong with the name?! Think feminine hygiene and repeat the product name to yourself. ~ yoni Jonathan S. Knoll email: jonat...@infinityplusone.com web: http://infinityplusone.com/ linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanknoll twitter: @yoni On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, live human.factor@gmail.com wrote: I'll say it: the name is wrong, wrong, wrong. Anyone with a research or marketing degree had to take a linguistics course, where you learned that you never name a product with something that is only one to two letter/sound/symbol away from any other another current product. 'iPad' is waay too close to 'iPod'. Apple makes a mistake. On Jan 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Luke Wroblewski wrote: Since no one has brought it up yet... I'll go. Overall what was expected. The big innovation for me is all this stuff integrated in one simple package. Which is kind of being glossed over in the press. and the price point -very low. -liked the rebuilt apple apps. calendar contacts are nicely rethought. lots of new ui in iwork. -the times demo is just the start of the kind of integrated media experiences you can build. my thoughts on that: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?951 -the cover is awesome design it supports swivel, tip, and protects -the $9 for numbers vs. $229 for excel is really interesting from a business perspective Notable hardware gaps (concerning cause no software update will fix) -camera -storage sizes 64GB for videos, photos, and music -does not cut it -usb port -it uses camera adaptors instead -GPS only on 3G model -how's it work with an iphone? Notable software gaps (can/will be addressed with software updates) -multiple iphone apps running at once -multiple users -how do you share the device at home? -doesn't run flash = many holes on web pages -no really new interactions -all iphone UI or the most part. but lots of the floating controls outlined here: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?983 your thoughts? :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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IMHO the iPad is so bad compared to some of the existing, as well as recently announced, Tablet PCs that it's not even worth discussing. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I pictured a gal from Boston as Steve's secretary, talking about an iPaaad a few years ago, and Steve getting his first accent-inspired product idea... Mike Caskey Caskey Art Development UX MAGNET twitter.com/mikeTcaskey On Jan 27, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Jonathan S. Knoll wrote: You think *that* is what is wrong with the name?! Think feminine hygiene and repeat the product name to yourself. ~ yoni Jonathan S. Knoll email: jonat...@infinityplusone.com web: http://infinityplusone.com/ linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanknoll twitter: @yoni On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, live human.factor@gmail.com wrote: I'll say it: the name is wrong, wrong, wrong. Anyone with a research or marketing degree had to take a linguistics course, where you learned that you never name a product with something that is only one to two letter/sound/symbol away from any other another current product. 'iPad' is waay too close to 'iPod'. Apple makes a mistake. On Jan 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Luke Wroblewski wrote: Since no one has brought it up yet... I'll go. Overall what was expected. The big innovation for me is all this stuff integrated in one simple package. Which is kind of being glossed over in the press. and the price point -very low. -liked the rebuilt apple apps. calendar contacts are nicely rethought. lots of new ui in iwork. -the times demo is just the start of the kind of integrated media experiences you can build. my thoughts on that: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?951 -the cover is awesome design it supports swivel, tip, and protects -the $9 for numbers vs. $229 for excel is really interesting from a business perspective Notable hardware gaps (concerning cause no software update will fix) -camera -storage sizes 64GB for videos, photos, and music -does not cut it -usb port -it uses camera adaptors instead -GPS only on 3G model -how's it work with an iphone? Notable software gaps (can/will be addressed with software updates) -multiple iphone apps running at once -multiple users -how do you share the device at home? -doesn't run flash = many holes on web pages -no really new interactions -all iphone UI or the most part. but lots of the floating controls outlined here: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?983 your thoughts? :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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OK, so aside from the name... -- Steve 'Doc' Baty | Principal | Meld Studios | P: +61 417 061 292 | E: st...@meldstudios.com.au | Twitter: docbaty | Skype: steve_baty | LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/stevebaty Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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No Flash = no streaming porn = pointless. On Jan 27, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Steve Baty wrote: OK, so aside from the name... -- Steve 'Doc' Baty | Principal | Meld Studios | P: +61 417 061 292 | E: st...@meldstudios.com.au | Twitter: docbaty | Skype: steve_baty | LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/stevebaty Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Luke, I like your assessment. A few additional points: - how well the iPad will work as an ebook reader with a glossy, reflective screen - particularly outdoors or in natural lighting - is a concern. A removable anti-glare cover/film might be a good addition; - the choice of separate iPod iTunes Store seems a strange one to me. And branding the media library as iPod - when the iPhone has the exact same capabilities with an iTunes app - doesn't gel. - I'm curious to see the licensing model around books. US-only distribution at the outset raises concerns for me. - I would also liked to have seen a stylus or pen option. The form-factor lends itself to hand-written note-taking and would have been an interesting extension to the iPhone/iPod Touch experience. - hardware connections on Apple products are a major annoyance for me, so I'm hoping the dock connector is the same as the iPhone. - I really wish there was the ability to run multiple applications at once and switch between them. I barely understand this on the iPhone; I don't get it at all on a device like this one. Steve 2010/1/28 Luke Wroblewski l...@lukew.com Since no one has brought it up yet... I'll go. Overall what was expected. The big innovation for me is all this stuff integrated in one simple package. Which is kind of being glossed over in the press. and the price point -very low. -liked the rebuilt apple apps. calendar contacts are nicely rethought. lots of new ui in iwork. -the times demo is just the start of the kind of integrated media experiences you can build. my thoughts on that: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?951 -the http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?951%0A-the cover is awesome design it supports swivel, tip, and protects -the $9 for numbers vs. $229 for excel is really interesting from a business perspective Notable hardware gaps (concerning cause no software update will fix) -camera -storage sizes 64GB for videos, photos, and music -does not cut it -usb port -it uses camera adaptors instead -GPS only on 3G model -how's it work with an iphone? Notable software gaps (can/will be addressed with software updates) -multiple iphone apps running at once -multiple users -how do you share the device at home? -doesn't run flash = many holes on web pages -no really new interactions -all iphone UI or the most part. but lots of the floating controls outlined here: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?983 your thoughts? :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Steve 'Doc' Baty | Principal | Meld Studios | P: +61 417 061 292 | E: st...@meldstudios.com.au | Twitter: docbaty | Skype: steve_baty | LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/stevebaty Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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The iPad human interface guidelines are an interesting read to consider how we might create and alter interaction designs for the device. Guidelines include 'Add Physicality and Heightened Realism', 'Flatten Your Information Hierarchy', and 'Restrict Complexity in Modal Tasks.' You can download them from the Apple Developer's site if you're a registered developer. V . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Good points Luke, Steve. The other thing is that the iPad is not a stand-alone product. It's still an accessory to a Mac. With only 64GB of space, you'll fill that up quickly. You still need a Mac (or PC) for the iPad to sync with. To expound on Luke's question of how does it work with an iPhone, I don't think it does. This doesn't create a triangle of iPhone, Mac, iPad. It's now a V with the Mac at the vertex. I think it would be interesting if it ran OS X and also ran iPhone apps. Then it would create triangle. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Realising that the iPhone also has an iPod app for music/etc. So I recant my earlier complaint about that point. 2010/1/28 Neil Cadsawan n...@cadsawan.net Good points Luke, Steve. The other thing is that the iPad is not a stand-alone product. It's still an accessory to a Mac. With only 64GB of space, you'll fill that up quickly. You still need a Mac (or PC) for the iPad to sync with. To expound on Luke's question of how does it work with an iPhone, I don't think it does. This doesn't create a triangle of iPhone, Mac, iPad. It's now a V with the Mac at the vertex. I think it would be interesting if it ran OS X and also ran iPhone apps. Then it would create triangle. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Steve 'Doc' Baty | Principal | Meld Studios | P: +61 417 061 292 | E: st...@meldstudios.com.au | Twitter: docbaty | Skype: steve_baty | LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/stevebaty Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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To help this discussion out, the iPad specs: http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/ and features: http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/ . ~ yoni On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Steve Baty steveb...@gmail.com wrote: Realising that the iPhone also has an iPod app for music/etc. So I recant my earlier complaint about that point. 2010/1/28 Neil Cadsawan n...@cadsawan.net Good points Luke, Steve. The other thing is that the iPad is not a stand-alone product. It's still an accessory to a Mac. With only 64GB of space, you'll fill that up quickly. You still need a Mac (or PC) for the iPad to sync with. To expound on Luke's question of how does it work with an iPhone, I don't think it does. This doesn't create a triangle of iPhone, Mac, iPad. It's now a V with the Mac at the vertex. I think it would be interesting if it ran OS X and also ran iPhone apps. Then it would create triangle. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Steve 'Doc' Baty | Principal | Meld Studios | P: +61 417 061 292 | E: st...@meldstudios.com.au | Twitter: docbaty | Skype: steve_baty | LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/stevebaty Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Yes, the name is terrible. I'm waiting for them to come out with an even bigger version (ala Kindle DX) -- they can call it the Max-iPad. And yes, the comment about the lack of porn for it should be taken very, very seriously. Porn always drives new technology, if only because nobody has figured out how to transmit drugs electronically yet. Oh wait. http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2002/03/50820 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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First, a few things that I'm very excited about with this device: * The potential for apps like the demoed N.Y. Times app. BUT -- if every publisher has to develop their own version of this, I view it as a failure. I'm hoping Apple steps up here with a wrapper that independent publishers can take advantage of. * The pricing: hardware, software (iWork seems like a bargain to me) and the 3G rates, which may be the most revolutionary thing Apple has done here. * That cover looks pretty awesome too. To address some of Luke's hardware/software gaps: * Personally, I don't see much use for a camera here. I guess people talk about video conferencing, but in all honesty I see very little attraction in that. * I assume they're using the dock connector with various adapters (and one of the camera adapters appears to be a dock-to-USB adapter) in part to make the device as small/light as they can. * Multiple users: for better or worse, I think Apple sees this as a one-per-person device, not a one-per-household device -- more like an iPhone than an iMac. * Lack of multitasking: I can sometimes see the appeal of this, but I do notice that nobody ever complains about the Wii or Nintendo DS being unable to multitask. I wonder why we come at these devices from such different perspectives when they're all basically just computers. * Not running flash is, in my view, an advantage. Anything that keeps intrusive flash ads from annoying me is a good thing. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Oh, and about the pornography point: there *are* porn sites using HTML5 video capabilities to serve porn to iPhones right now. I think we can assume that porn suppliers will support this device as well. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Agree with the comments above. The exciting new possibilities with this device are in the hardware, with the notable exception of the missing cameras for obvious video conferencing capabilities. The device is currently quite squarely focused on media *consumption*. Given the capabilities of the processor and the types of interaction you might expect from a mobile device with this form factor, I'm a little disappointed (but not shocked) by the use of the iPhone OS for device like this. The lack of integration with the iPhone is a little surprising given Apple's previous focus on devices components of larger service integration. As for stylus', they are typically not well suited to capacitive screens, so no real shock there albeit there have been some in-roads with magnetic pens. What I really didn't expect was the use of Micro SIMs for 3G connectivity. Limited support and compatibility issues that prevent MBB customers SIM swapping. I'm not sure if there is a convincing argument for that decision. Rod . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I'm new to the list. I've been looking at the details on the iPad and felt compelled to reply to this thread. Naming issues aside (I think Twitter's trending topics may decide someone's job fate at Apple tonight), I'm a little puzzled by the thing. In general, I'm not sure exactly how to integrate it into my portable electronics package. It does a number of things an iPhone does, and a few things a netbook does. But, it doesn't seem designed to really take over the role of a true laptop. Neither the UI nor the OS really seem to offer that kind of workspace very effectively. It's not portable enough to replace an iPod, and it can't do some important things an iPhone does. Then you have the gaps mentioned by Luke Wroblewski, which are even more puzzling -- especially since some of those gaps were solved on a smaller, cheaper platform. No simultaneous apps? For users accustomed to streaming and negotiating tons of information in multiple applications and workspaces (Apple's core audience, I think)? I understand this can be dealt with in later software updates. But you know people want it. Why not build it in to begin with if all it takes is an update to solve it down the road? That said, the screen is beautiful from what I've seen, and the bigger touch surface can lead to some very interesting design choices for interfaces and gestures. I really want to put my hands on one to play with these things. I'm just not sure Apple has thought all the way through its place in people's already cluttered electronic lives, or how to market it. Dave Jones Old Dominion University On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Luke Wroblewski l...@lukew.com wrote: Since no one has brought it up yet... I'll go. Overall what was expected. The big innovation for me is all this stuff integrated in one simple package. Which is kind of being glossed over in the press. and the price point -very low. -liked the rebuilt apple apps. calendar contacts are nicely rethought. lots of new ui in iwork. -the times demo is just the start of the kind of integrated media experiences you can build. my thoughts on that: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?951 -the cover is awesome design it supports swivel, tip, and protects -the $9 for numbers vs. $229 for excel is really interesting from a business perspective Notable hardware gaps (concerning cause no software update will fix) -camera -storage sizes 64GB for videos, photos, and music -does not cut it -usb port -it uses camera adaptors instead -GPS only on 3G model -how's it work with an iphone? Notable software gaps (can/will be addressed with software updates) -multiple iphone apps running at once -multiple users -how do you share the device at home? -doesn't run flash = many holes on web pages -no really new interactions -all iphone UI or the most part. but lots of the floating controls outlined here: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?983 your thoughts? :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::luke at lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Reply to this thread at ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Dave Jones Old Dominion University djone...@odu.edu Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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@ Victor Lombardi - Could you be kind enough to share the human interface guidelines with the rest of us. I REALLY want to pick their brains on this one.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I think its pretty cool. The name is fine... however expected and undramatic. As for the ap and iphone OS and interface working on a pc platform - we will have to play and watch as it grows and evolves. I do think we are seeing the next successful model of software distribution with the platform being the gateway and toll taker. Pretty smart in my estimation. As soon as they are taking them I will place my order for a couple. The wife's macbook is about to die and she basically surfs the web, uploads photos and checks email. The ipad connected by wireless to my home network (with more storage available there) will work just great. I also anticipate her being able to play music on the stereo and a hundred other things from the couch. I am personally not worried about flash at all. Mark On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Luke Wroblewski wrote: Since no one has brought it up yet... I'll go. Overall what was expected. The big innovation for me is all this stuff integrated in one simple package. Which is kind of being glossed over in the press. and the price point -very low. -liked the rebuilt apple apps. calendar contacts are nicely rethought. lots of new ui in iwork. -the times demo is just the start of the kind of integrated media experiences you can build. my thoughts on that: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?951 -the cover is awesome design it supports swivel, tip, and protects -the $9 for numbers vs. $229 for excel is really interesting from a business perspective Notable hardware gaps (concerning cause no software update will fix) -camera -storage sizes 64GB for videos, photos, and music -does not cut it -usb port -it uses camera adaptors instead -GPS only on 3G model -how's it work with an iphone? Notable software gaps (can/will be addressed with software updates) -multiple iphone apps running at once -multiple users -how do you share the device at home? -doesn't run flash = many holes on web pages -no really new interactions -all iphone UI or the most part. but lots of the floating controls outlined here: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?983 your thoughts? Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I'm still a bit perplexed as to where the device really fits in someone's workflow/day. Jobs noted that it split the difference between a laptop and a smartphone and filled that gap. Is there really a big enough gap there to justify buying another device? I'll be interested to see how the market reacts to it. Just a cursory glance at Twitter today revealed some disappointment. On the UX front, I think it poses some interesting challenges. Because it's a straight touchscreen natively but can run robust apps that demand more complex interaction, I'm curious to see how those things are solved (resizing a photo and constraining proportions, for example). There should be some interesting interaction design problems to solve. Also, the fact that it doesn't appear easy to use while standing up is interesting. From what I saw, it doesn't look like you can type on the device with one hand, which hurts usage while someone's standing. Because you need both hands on the device to type, you need to be sitting. Not good for the person chilling at the bus stop and wanting to surf the web for a bit. All in all, I think new devices are always exciting, but I'm not sure this is going to live up to the hype. I may be wrong, and hope I am. Only time will tell. I wrote a blog post earlier today talking about more of the UX issues surrounding the device. If you're interested, check it out here: http://www.maderalabs.com/what-the-ipad-means-for-user-experience/ Justin Davis Madera Labs http://www.maderalabs.com @jwd2a Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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In looking at the product shots at the bottom of http://www.apple.com/ipad/design/, I'm really wondering about the interactions of using the keyboards in the both the dock and in the case - as folded into a laptop-like configuration with virtual keyboard. With the keyboard dock, or even a bluetooth keyboard, the act of typing will be great, but then think about when you want to select some text. Now you have to use the iPhone means of copy/paste. You take your hands off the keyboard and have to touch the screen. I haven't played with one yet, but that appears to be an awkward situation. When using a keyboard, I think most people would look to using a mouse for text selection. Maybe I'll be wrong and it's not as awkward as I'm thinking. The same goes for using it with the virtual keyboard. Copy/paste on the iPhone isn't so bad since you don't really move your hands a significant distance. But now, you'll have to move your hands several inches to perform this action. Just seems to be strange in this case. Hopefully I'll have an opportunity to play with one soon and see what this is like. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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It doesn't replace my phone, and it doesn't replace my computer, so the only need that I see it fitting for me is the e-reader that I don't currently have (and don't really see a need for yet either). So unless it can do eBooks better than the Kindle or Nook, I really don't see the point. If I really want to watch videos on the go, I can do it on my phone or my laptop, which are both already with me pretty much everywhere I go (hence the reason I don't have an e-reader yet). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I keep seeing a control surface when I look at the iPad. The whole tablet computer idea is meh for me, but I'm imagining it as a soft console audio mixing board for a musician, or displaying a couple of virtual turntables for a DJ. Or, more in my line of work, a touchscreen console for radio operators. Any sort of professional application that would benefit from faders, knobs, zoom, multitouch physics and so on could use a control surface like this. And in a dedicated control-surface application, the lack of multitasking capability is no problem. This first release doesn't look optimal for these purposes. Almost any application like this would need external hardware for processing, and this thing doesn't have enough horsepower or ports. But I expect to see these in artists' hands on stage sometime later this year. And Apple's much vaunted Top-Secret design silo failed them this time: one normal everyday focus group session would have brought out the sniggers when they said the name the first time. Michael Micheletti . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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To me this is the market for this device. My wife is exactly the same, she surfs the Web, reads blogs, watches TV movies, and looks at photos on her Macbook. This is a couch device, a bedroom device (don't read that the wrong way), a kitchen device (swivel it to cook from a recipe). All places where a laptop always felt wrong. I think of it a digital version of your leisure activities –reading, communicating, light gaming, surfing, etc. Not your work activities (PC/laptop) or your on the go activities (smartphone). On Jan 27, 2010, at 6:59 PM, mark schraad wrote: As soon as they are taking them I will place my order for a couple. The wife's macbook is about to die and she basically surfs the web, uploads photos and checks email. The ipad connected by wireless to my home network (with more storage available there) will work just great. I also anticipate her being able to play music on the stereo and a hundred other things from the couch. :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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i like this thinking. ever see this? http://gas2.org/2009/06/09/electric-superbike-uses-iphone-for-its-dashboard/ On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Michael Micheletti wrote: I keep seeing a control surface when I look at the iPad. The whole tablet computer idea is meh for me, but I'm imagining it as a soft console audio mixing board for a musician, or displaying a couple of virtual turntables for a DJ. Or, more in my line of work, a touchscreen console for radio operators. Any sort of professional application that would benefit from faders, knobs, zoom, multitouch physics and so on could use a control surface like this. And in a dedicated control-surface application, the lack of multitasking capability is no problem. :: ::Luke Wroblewski -[ www.lukew.com ] ::Principal/Founder, LukeW Ideation Design ::l...@lukew.com | 408.513.7207 :: ::Blog: http://www.lukew.com/ff/ ::New Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/web_form_design.asp ::Book: http://www.lukew.com/resources/site_seeing.html :: Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Other conversations that I've been having today revolve around whether or not this could be an introduction of slow design into the computing world. Best described here: http://www.good.is/post/hurry-up-and-wait/ Could be. I too see this as more of a book or newspaper replacement than a laptop or iphone replacement. The form factor leads you to interact with it differently than either of those two. We must now come up with the content that will make this device shine. Apple's given us their tabula rasa, so to speak, and it will only be as good as the content that best makes use of its technology. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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If multi-touch is of interest to you then the iPad is a dream come true. As a designer having access to an affordable and capable computing device with a 10 multitouch screen is a dream come true! That aside I think that eBooks and everything else promoted is great but I think Robert Fabricant nailed it in his article about the tablet is really well suited for casual gaming: http://designmind.frogdesign.com/blog/why-the-apple-tablet-is-a-real-039games039-changer.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed: frog-design-blog (All Blogs) That aside as far as background applications.. I haven't needed them on the iPhone yet and I'd rather not find out I've installed some useless apps I hardly ever touch that are eating away the precious battery life of my portable device. I believe this is one of the main reasons the iPhone/touch and the iPad won't do this. As far as where this device fits in to people's lives and workflows - I think Apple is counting on it's developer base to figure that out for them. So much fun we can have developing for this thing. Ah man it's a great time to be a designer :) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I think these observations are on track - what people's wives need ie what *most *people do in terms of computing. Computing on a mass scale as envisioned by ubiquitous computing a few years ago was pointless. Fridges that track when you are out of milk etc...light bulbs that run software inside them...it was technology looking to fit into our lives. Yet, the problem of using the CPUs we already have was still there. We're becoming chained to the net, but we're also chained physically to our laptop. Widespread dissemination of digital media - basically the internet is still not a solved problem... getting youtube, and online newspapers and the www into the hands of everyone to compete with the TV. Not a solved problem. I am sure user research would show that many people do not walk around the house with their laptops (designers are probably an exception!) I think Apple really lives by the idea of bringing content to the masses through Design. They may not have got all the nuances of what that means right in this release, but they will. The nuances include the form factor in your hand (have they made it natural at 1.5lbs), the durability of it after a fall, the battery life (really 10hrs?), the radiation and heat (is it really going to be cool to the touch?), and the general usability when textual input is required. Navid On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Luke Wroblewski l...@lukew.com wrote: To me this is the market for this device. My wife is exactly the same, she surfs the Web, reads blogs, watches TV movies, and looks at photos on her Macbook. This is a couch device, a bedroom device (don't read that the wrong way), a kitchen device (swivel it to cook from a recipe). All places where a laptop always felt wrong. I think of it a digital version of your leisure activities –reading, communicating, light gaming, surfing, etc. Not your work activities (PC/laptop) or your on the go activities (smartphone). On Jan 27, 2010, at 6:59 PM, mark schraad wrote: As soon as they are taking them I will place my order for a couple. The wife's macbook is about to die and she basically surfs the web, uploads photos and checks email. The ipad connected by wireless to my home network (with more storage available there) will work just great. I also anticipate her being able to play music on the stereo and a hundred other things from the couch. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I agree with the casual-home-device assessment. And not necessarily targeting techies, but maybe those who have been admiring Apple from afar but whose tech use was too casual to warrant purchasing an iPhone/Macbook. My friends have mixed reviews of the device, but my parents are stoked. They want one for each of them. The iPad has potential with seniors. Large type possibilities with elegant zoom-in on the web and (I'm guessing) font-resizing in iBooks. My father loves puzzle games, and I could see him getting into them on his iPad on the couch, whereas he never would have bought an iPod. Possibilities exist in the workplace as well. I can see a doctor holding one of these, flipping through a patient's virtual file as they talk. I've talked to healthcare professionals who don't like to use computers with patients because it feels impersonal; the iPad might feel less so. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=48704 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
