I know Sonos has controller apps for phones and tablets, but I don't
think there are players. That would be a deal breaker for me at this
point since I regularly use my andriod media player and my iPod Touch as
portable squeezeboxes in my house and on family trips when we have
access to WiFi.
wildgoose wrote:
... So they put much more effort into it than Logitech (advertising,
RD, etc..). The survival of Logitech does not depend on SB, the
survival of Sonos depends on their products.
Not sure I can agree with the RD part of this statement. Sonos has yet
to come out with a
audio53 wrote:
Not sure I can agree with the RD part of this statement. Sonos has yet
to come out with a product capable of playing hi-rez files like 24/96.
Their line seems rather stagnant. For that reason alone Sonos is off the
table for me. If they ever update their player with hi-rez
garym wrote:
I have very little hirez, but the Sonos deal killer for me is the
inability to handle more than about 60,000 files (except in some back
door clunky way involving windows media player). I have 70,000 files
and I'm only a third of my way through ripping my CDs.
I understand why
kidstypike wrote:
Well if it's resting, I'll wake it up .. ::Wake up Logitech!!!::
Oh no, You stunned them, just as they were waking up.
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How ironic that we are talking about how Logitech (squeezebox) should be
more like Roku when the squeezebox trounced the Roku music streaming
device 5 years ago or so. Roku rose from the ashes by revinventing
itself.
maggior wrote:
How ironic that we are talking about how Logitech (squeezebox) should be
more like Roku when the squeezebox trounced the Roku music streaming
device 5 years ago or so. Roku rose from the ashes by revinventing
itself.
Very true. I remember giving the Roku boxes (particularly
aubuti wrote:
Very true. I remember giving the Roku boxes (particularly 'this one'
(http://soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php)) a serious look when
I was wading into the network music player world seven years ago. If I
remember correctly, the Roku having only wifi (b) was the
mortslim wrote:
Here is how Roku works with content developers:
An open platform, Rokus Streaming Player enables content owners to
bypass traditional distribution routes and reach views and consumers
directly. Rokus platform allows a wide variety of channels and
monetization
kidstypike wrote:
Well if it's resting, I'll wake it up .. ::Wake up Logitech!!!::
This is the wrong place to try to wake anyone from Logitech, if you want
to reach someone within Logitech you better go to their official support
forum at http://forums.logitech.com where there at least are
erland wrote:
This is the wrong place to try to wake anyone from Logitech, if you want
to reach someone within Logitech you better go to their official support
forum at http://forums.logitech.com where there at least are some
Logitech employees reading.
Yes, sorry about that. Post #140 by
erland wrote:
the Logitech model might be preferred as long as Logitech is willing to
invest the necessary resources and the Roku model is preferred as long
as the content provider is willing to invest the necessary resources.
A review of the forum requests by users for services and updates
mortslim wrote:
And as to the complaint that the Roku model generates a lot of
uninteresting content, the solution to that is simple, don't listen to
it. Pick and choose your favorite service providers and ignore the
rest. Even on the Squeezebox now, I don't listen to over 90% of what
mortslim wrote:
Content providers will show interest if they see sufficient market
penetration for the squeezebox. They do a cost/benefit analysis just
like Logitech. If the missing content providers see that they can reach
a tipping point for eardrums, they'lll come to the platform.
erland wrote:
I want to listen to Spotify (which is the best premium streaming service
available in Sweden), how do I do that on a Roku device out of the box ?
Roku has an official Plex channel. Plex connects the Roku to a media
server.
Plex Media Server seamlessly connects your Plex
mortslim wrote:
In order for Logitech to be more mass market, it should lower the price,
turn up the volume and get rid of the LCD screen to keep the cost down
(it's more efficient to put control into the user's hands on already
owned multi-purpose devices,like iPeng on the iPad and the
Streaming services and the like are replacing radio, not music
ownership. If you look at music purchases historically, including the
yardsticks by which sales awards are given, you'll see that music
ownership has always been comprised of a rather insignificant proportion
of the music
mortslim wrote:
New article: Will streaming sites dethrone iTunes as king of digital
music?
With the growth of Spotify, Pandora, Songza, and other streaming music
services, consumers now have the opportunity to treat the entire world
of recorded music as their playlist. And as mobile
JJZolx wrote:
The Squeezebox product line as we once knew it is dead.
Although Squeezebox may provide good control of a local server-based
music database, the demographic trend for future marketplace growth, as
seen in the recent prior posts, is for internet streaming music. This
is where
JJZolx wrote:
The Squeezebox product line as we once knew it is dead.
It's just resting.
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It's just resting.
Well if it's resting, I'll wake it up .. ::Wake up Logitech!!!::
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Although Squeezebox may provide good control of a local server-based
music database, the demographic trend for future marketplace growth, as
seen in the recent prior posts, is for internet streaming music. This
is where Squeezeboxs problem is.
The squeezebox walled
Yea, these commentators always have a really narrow view on the whole
world of recorded music. Even though I don't listen to them, for me
that would at least include some smaller acts like The Beatles or so but
who am I to judge, I listen to Lady Gaga more often than to Paul
MacCartney... Yet
mlsstl wrote:
This is somewhat off-subject, but the concept of an album as a complete
work is a relatively recent idea in popular music. 78s and cylinders
only allowed for a few minutes of music. While you could buy classical
works on 78 records, you ended up with a group of 8 or 10 records.
pablolie wrote:
.
The people that used to have over a thousand CDs and hundreds of albums
and cared for them lovingly, and played them on equipment they had
emotional attachment to... you find a lot of them in these forums, but
they weren't the majority 25 years ago nor will they ever be.
mortslim wrote:
Music access, not ownership, is the future
I dont know. Id rather pay the $120 every year to buy songs off iTune
rather than waste them on some music rental services. I have so many
monthly payments that, despite my love for music, I have not signed up
for any music rental
I'm another one in the gathering of the dinosaurs here (and we all know
what happened to them).
Maybe I'm even a special kind of dinosaur, because I've grown up with
tape decks and vinyl LPs and kept the habit of listening to albums and
not to a sequence of unrelated (maybe even randomly
I think such trends in the end are cyclical and transitory. It is also
merely an expression of the way stuff is marketed and current Zeitgesit
- which can change at the drop of a dime. :)
Furthermore, I think in this forum you have a somewhat distorted probe
of people in general. I think that it
reinholdk wrote:
...and kept the habit of listening to albums and not to a sequence of
unrelated (maybe even randomly selected) tracks.
This is somewhat off-subject, but the concept of an album as a complete
work is a relatively recent concept in popular music. 78s and cylinders
only
mlsstl wrote:
... the more common was of enjoying popular music for most of the 140
year history of music sales to the public.
Interesting message.
I am aware the debate is about recorded music.
Let us not forget the music ideal, despite its sometimes compromised
audiop quality, is the
dasmueller wrote:
I for one am a dinosaur and will not willingly go the rental route. I
enjoy the flexibility of being able to do what I wish w the CD/hard
copies or downloaded files that I have. I am not willing to rely on
someone else to provide that flexibility for me. There is too much
I use to buy alot of Cd's when you could only hear small clips of the
music on the album.
Now I use MOG for discovering the albums I really like to purchase and
even with the 120 bucks/yearly
I pay for it,I am definitely saving money by not buying albums I
consider ok but not great.
Now if
I'm also a dinosaur who likes CDs.
Apple's iTunes Match makes for an interesting hybrid of the buy/rent
setup. You get high quality, but not lossless, music to buy (256k AAC)
and keep.
And you get _all_ your existing music available on any iOS device; music
that isn't in the iTunes catalogue
The future is renting rather than owning. If you don't own anything,
you don't need a local server.
I think you are correct, the only thing that makes me doubt a little bit
is the fact that Apple still only allows us to buy music and not rent
it. It only gives me some doubts since they have
Philip Meyer wrote:
I agree that cloud services and music rental may appeal to some people,
and maybe this is an increasing percentage, but surely a large
percentage of people like me are still not going to comit to a
subscription based service to play music that they already own.
I agree
Millennials (generation Y) want access over ownership, streaming over
storing, and rentals over buying.
http://bostinno.com/channels/renting-vs-owning/
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Renting music reminds me of the old saying- Who makes money the tenant
or the landlord ? While I and most others are not interested in making
money from owning music I believe it gives one much more flexibility in
how one chooses to use it. I for one am a dinosaur and will not
willingly go the
Well if they pull the plug my setup at the office would not work . We
have no computers and only use tablets for our business. The Touch is
directly
connected to the router and only MySqueezebox is being used to play
music.
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
Well if they pull the plug my setup at the office would not work . We
have no computers and only use tablets for our business. The Touch is
directly connected to the router and only MySqueezebox is being used to
play music.
On the other hand, seeing as the Touch
I doubt there will be any new and exclusively audio SqueezeBox based
hardware in future. We might see an upgraded version of the Touch
and/or radio but nothing totally new. I think it is most likely,
however, that the Squeezebox branded Radio will go and be replaced
with a much simpler and
alfista wrote:
On the other hand, seeing as the Touch (as the only SB to date) has its
own rudimentary server it would still be able to perform a lot of its
entertainment duties even if mysqueezebox was axed.
Yeah I see your point,but that server has a lot to be desired.very
slow,etc. Maybe
Logitech is laying off employees and losing money.
Here is a link about the layoffs:
http://allthingsd.com/20120608/struggling-logitech-bites-bullet-lays-off-450/
It is not in a position to be pursuing niche markets. It is refocusing
on the mainstream user with simple products that are easy
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
Yeah I see your point,but that server has a lot to be desired.very
slow,etc.
Most of the issues with the Touch's built-in server are related to
scanning. That's not an issue if you are mostly listening to outside
streams, as you are now with mysb.com. You don't say
TheLastMan wrote:
I foresee Squeezebox functionality being built into future streamers /
players that are likely to have a dual audio and video streaming role.
In my mind Listen to music and Watch a video is two use cases with
very different characteristics, not just from a functional
mortslim wrote:
Logitech is laying off employees and losing money.
Here is a link about the layoffs:
http://allthingsd.com/20120608/struggling-logitech-bites-bullet-lays-off-450/
And hiring new people:
aubuti wrote:
Most of the issues with the Touch's built-in server are related to
scanning. That's not an issue if you are mostly listening to outside
streams, as you are now with mysb.com. You don't say what services
you're using on mysb.com at present, but even if mysb.com disappears you
mortslim wrote:
I believe the Squeezeboxes are end of life. There most likely won't
be any improvements to the line hardware-wise and no new apps.
However the corporation Logitech will continue and because of the large
squeezebox user base, it is very doubtful that the mysqueezebox.com
I believe the Squeezeboxes are end of life. There most likely won't
be any improvements to the line hardware-wise and no new apps.
However the corporation Logitech will continue and because of the large
squeezebox user base, it is very doubtful that the mysqueezebox.com
service will ever
aubuti wrote:
As Erland noted, you can have smart playlists today by using his SQL
Playlist, Dynamic Playlist and License Manager plugins. Or MusicIP may
be an option for you, with or without the Spicefly Sugarcube plugin.
Erland's plugins use a rules-based approach, where you explicitly
Very interesting read, everyone (although i confess I skipped on the
DLNA debate :).
I'm not a frequent reader of this forum. I actually stumbled upon this
thread while trying to know when smart lists would be implemented,
confident as I was in the way Logitech (or rather Slimdevices) would
keeb
mll wrote:
Very interesting read, everyone (although i confess I skipped on the
DLNA debate :).
I'm not a frequent reader of this forum. I actually stumbled upon this
thread while trying to know when smart lists would be implemented,
confident as I was in the way Logitech (or rather
erland wrote:
Depends, if you are willing to purchase some third party plugins you can
get it already today by installing SQL Playlist, Dynamic Playlist and
License Manager plugin and purchase real license to SQL Playlist or get
a free 30 day evaluation license.
That's an option, especially
mll wrote:
Finally, this thread that deals on Logitech pulling the plug. If it was
purely theoretical I guess it wouldn't be discussed.
(
I doubt discussion on forums has zero correlation with likelihood of
ending this product.
mll wrote:
Well, I guess I won't listen to smart playlists on my LMS anytime soon.
:(
As Erland noted, you can have smart playlists today by using his SQL
Playlist, Dynamic Playlist and License Manager plugins. Or MusicIP may
be an option for you, with or without the Spicefly Sugarcube
MrSinatra wrote:
yeah, thats right, b/c you're the one coming on here and acting like the
rest of us have no place to speak, and then get all huffy when we don't
agree with you.
take it easy, francis!
I reread my original comments and you're taking offense where none was
intended. There
erland wrote:
And IMHO that's a much bigger issue than the fact that we haven't got
any new Squeezebox hardware the last 2 years, I think some advertising
that made people aware of the existence of the Squeezebox products would
make a big difference.
In the US. The media is infatuated with
Everyone, please calm down a bit, everyone is allowed to have an opinion
and post so but *mlsstl* is right in the sense that very few (probably
none) of the forum people posting have experience of being in charge of
a big company as Logitech, I'm fairly sure none of us would have done a
better
come on erland, i know you don't believe that, just based on other posts
you've made about differentiating the product, ie. why would someone
want a SB over something else, especially something cheaper.
anyway, i happen to believe i would do a better job than the folks at
logitech. sean and
The following may be helpful - it was part of Morgan Stanley Telecom Feb
2012 conf call with Logitech CFO Erik Bardman. It feels to me the
briefing notes are providing non committal answers for the analysts but
with an excuse why sales are limited.
Code:
Francois
Looking at the Camridge Stream Magic 6, this IMHO could have been the
Transporter II in 2010. Cambridge are still struggling with the s/w to
do gapless. Logitech never recognised the IPR they had there, and could
have done an blitz on AV Receiver manufacturers etc. who ended up using
crappy DLNA
Some say Logitech $$ saved Slimdevices after the Duet debacle and delays
to the Touch. More like gave it a lingering death.
It would have been _before_ the Duet. Just to be correct on the timing.
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come on erland, i know you don't believe that, just based on other posts
you've made about differentiating the product, ie. why would someone
want a SB over something else, especially something cheaper.
I think they can do a better job, I'm just saying that I don't believe
Seems all too likely the Division Head who decided to buy Slimdevices
with a strategy to grow that business has been moved on/fired and no-one
else is much bothered so it's being run on a shoestring. Certainly in
London, there's been plenty of Sonos adverts on the Tube (our metro) but
you never
I find it interesting is that I bought my first Squeezebox (SB3) several
years ago in response to a very positive review in Linux Format. I never
had any significant problems setting it up - at that time on an Ubuntu
box, or in maintaining the system, now running from LMS7.7.2 on a NAS
box and
amcluesent wrote:
Certainly in London, there's been plenty of Sonos adverts on the Tube
(our metro) but you never see Squeezebox advertising in any media.
And IMHO that's a much bigger issue than the fact that we haven't got
any new Squeezebox hardware the last 2 years, I think some
amcluesent wrote:
Seems all too likely the Division Head who decided to buy Slimdevices
with a strategy to grow that business has been moved on/fired and no-one
else is much bothered so it's being run on a shoestring.
Well, it's more a case of nobody taking or being given the time. Keeping
Then again, maybe Logitech wanted to enter the kitchen cookware
marketplace and there was a misunderstanding...
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amcluesent wrote:
Then again, maybe Logitech wanted to enter the kitchen cookware
marketplace and there was a misunderstanding...
Ah a colorful display, that's it :)
I'd like to thank to bpa for an interesting post (#89) in this
meandering thread. And also Grumpy Bob (#94) for having
amcluesent wrote:
Then again, maybe Logitech wanted to enter the kitchen cookware
marketplace and there was a simple misunderstanding! What might have
been...
but does it work with online fruit?
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MrSinatra wrote:
but does it work with online fruit?
aha. online fruit. online groceries. Remember WebVan. starting to
all make sense now;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webvan
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Your earlier comments with respect to the financial performance of
Logitech certainly suggested they are failing to do something others
routinely get right. That was the whole point of the Apple comparison I
made. They may be the big cheese at this particular moment, but Apple
has certainly had
hey pal, you need to settle down. people are free to make comments.
your POV is valid but so is the opposite POV.
the whole point i was trying to make to you which was done in good
humor, is that logitech is not above criticism. you seem to act like
b/c they are a company, or because they
Settle down???
What have I written that has been so contentious?
You talk about alternate points of view but the tone of your post
suggests I should have kept my comments to myself. It's either a public
form or it's not.
mlsstl wrote:
Settle down???
yeah, thats right, b/c you're the one coming on here and acting like the
rest of us have no place to speak, and then get all huffy when we don't
agree with you.
take it easy, francis!
ko...@sietsma.com wrote:
On a (to me at least!) slightly positive note - I picked up a set of
Logitech speakers for my PC today, I got some that have optional coax
inputs - and I note that all over the documentation it pushes the
Squeezebox, with lines like to use the RCA inputs ... plug
Both of my 1G iPod touch's are still being used every day although both
not by me.
I bought the first one on the day it came out, that's almost 5 years
now.
You are right, App support is almost nonexistent anymore (I can't even
make iPeng builds for it myself now, for example) so they've pretty
pippin wrote:
I won't comment on the rest of your observations.
Whatever. 20-20 hindsight is a wonderful thing and no other company
makes mistakes. Still think you guys should volunteer to run the place.
;-)
mlsstl's
MrSinatra wrote:
n but apple has determined that there is little to no need for the media
adapter you connect to your other gear to have a display, and i agree
with that. in most usage cases, its not needed or even desired.
And I and my family are happy about to have an alternativ. For us
MrSinatra wrote:
neither the apple TV nor the airport express has a display. the apple
TV does connect to a TV obviously. but apple has determined that there
is little to no need for the media adapter you connect to your other
gear to have a display, and i agree with that. in most usage
This is also, why I (beside the price point) cannot switch to Sonos.
My wife wants to hit a button in the kitchen or bathroom to start the
radio.
And my son (2 1/2) needs the 6 preset buttons to start his own tunes
(yes - he is having is own Squeezebox already :) )
in response to the posts above since mine, let me clarify...
i don't begrudge anyone a display if they want one with a display. but
where is the SB ALONE with NO display? the SBR isn't sold alone
anymore, right? and certainly isn't easy to setup if its all one has.
and again, while i don't
MrSinatra wrote:
and again, while i don't begrudge it, i don't think most people need it
[a small display on the device] or want it, esp at the price logitech
puts it at. not everyone has a 'droid' or 'iThingy' so a screen becomes
necessary.
I can't imagine how anyone could control an SB
bonze wrote:
not everyone has a 'droid' or 'iThingy' so a screen becomes necessary.
I can't imagine how anyone could control an SB without some sort of
visual feedback ???
no, not everyone does, but pretty much most everyone considering slim
stuff do.
and the webui is how it would be done
MrSinatra wrote:
...if we want to see the slim paradigm survive, i think it needs
completely rethought out.
We can discuss individuals use cases forever, but essentially i think it
comes down to one thing - profit. I cant see how it's really that
profitable for Logitech. The money is in
MrSinatra wrote:
this is probably because most people don't need to see whats playing to
know if they want to hear it or not, they merely listen to determine if
they should skip the track or not.
I agree but that was not the idea behind my words - just a display to
see whats playing to dig
Interesting how many people in this thread seem to think they have
unusual insight into what Logitech should be doing as respects their
product line up.
As a profitable company that's been around for awhile, I strongly
suspect they have more than a few people who know what they're doing
when it
Indeed! Who are the unwashed masses to question the minds behind the
mighty revue!?
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Just love it when one gets a one-line reply that not only discusses
nothing but also seems to illustrate that the poster didn't bother to
read the entirety of the prior post.
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pippin wrote:
No. You are wrong and MrSinatra pretty much nailed it, that's how it
is.
You should also have a look at Logitech's financial reports as to
profitable company.
Their 2011 report shows a profit of $128 million on sales of $2.3
billion, and a shareholder equity that increased
Their reporting year ends in Summer. Look at the 4 quarterly reports
since then.
They discontinued Revue and fired their CEO in that period.
Happy and confident company.
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They've also reorganized the company. Yet again. Seems they've done that
about every 12-18 months since buying Slim Devices. I have no idea what
they now call the business unit that the remaining Squeezebox products
are under. They're a company that's been treading water for the past
four or five
One quarter of problems in this economy? Big deal.
Don't forget that at one point (1985) Apple's Board stripped Steve Jobs
of all authority and he left the company. In 1997, Apple lost over $1
billion. They've come back, but it's a pretty safe bet that they'll
still make a few errors here and
mlsstl wrote:
One quarter of problems in this economy? Big deal.
5 quarters. 4q/11 was already bad, you should read the reports you
quote.
As noted before, every company makes mistakes they wish they could
recall.
We were specifically talking Revue above where you discredited an
actually
Calm down a bit folks - no point getting so heated in speculation about
what a company may or may not do, nor what they should or should not do -
it's all highly hypothetical and not worth getting steamed up about!
(this wasn't particularly about mlsstl - I just picked a post to reply to
at
i have to say that my exps with upnp and DLNA are not overwhelmingly
positive, but it does mostly work to some degree, just not usually
elegant.
interestingly, thats exactly what i think of the squeezebox paradigm.
neither one is elegant.
by far, the single best thing about apple is airplay.
MrSinatra wrote:
i hope logitech sells slim to someone else. i thought they'd be good
for slim. i was WAY wrong.
Logitech misunderstood this product and messed up development in so many
ways. They could have really made something of it but they blew it,
concentrating on the hardware and
I tend to think, sadly, that for slim devices to make money, they need to
integrate video. Audio fans want their crisp neat audio interface, but I
think the mass market wants video as well - they want their downloaded
tv/movies, they want youtube and netflix and whatever else they are
watching.
MrSinatra wrote:
does anyone really believe that an audio product should exist today
whose main/native UI is webui? i would bet most people still using
server are using some other UI.
No, I don't think an audio product whose main UI is web based have a
strong future. To expand this even
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