Exactly as others have posted, you sound like you have a NAS on 24/7 so
there really is no need to use mysb.com ?
mysb.com was really only for those who wanted to listen to music
without their sb server on?
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Let me start by saying i love this product line. Affordable multi room
audio has reignited my love of music. I have a boom / classic /
squeezplay / iPeng etc and love it. It has been faultless and not had
anywhere near the problems outlined in the forums. Running my local
music of an ld 512mb
Why don't you listen to internet radio from your local server? That way
you won't have to change to mysb.com and reload the firmware. Ever
looked at the internet radio on your local server?
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parfour;610093 Wrote:
...it is a hugely and i feel somewhat unnecessary process
Indeed, it is completely unnecessary, don't switch to MySB.com.
All of your MySB Favorites and all Apps are accessible from SBS on your
NAS.
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parfour;610093 Wrote:
Let me start by saying i love this product line. Affordable multi room
audio has reignited my love of music. I have a boom / classic /
squeezplay / iPeng etc and love it. It has been faultless and not had
anywhere near the problems outlined in the forums. Running my
michael11694;523376 Wrote:
. Can you also detail how to restore the settings if, as has
happened to me three or four times, you have lost your favorites menu
setup - including folders - after spending hours configuring them?
By chance, are you updating SBS to a new version
toby10;523434 Wrote:
By chance, are you updating SBS to a new version when you lose your
Favorites?
Best I can offer is to use your computers Search function to look for a
folder called prefs inside SBS, copy and paste this folder (SBS must
not be running) to a backup folder.
My XP
Thanks for detailing which files do what. Can you also detail how to
restore the settings if, as has happened to me three or four times, you
have lost your favorites menu setup - including folders - after spending
hours configuring them? I very much identify with the frustrations
expressed by
FWIW: I've started a wiki article about the sync behaviour.
Thanks Michael. When I get a moment, I'll look into trying out some prefs
synching scenarios and update the wiki with more details.
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No, not saying that. I'll probably need to take more English lessons if my
last paragraph wasn't clear :-)
My bad - I wasn't concentrating too well (it was one late night too many)!
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Are those all _player_ preferences? If so, it's worth mentioning.
Does a player have to be actively connected to an SbS server for the
settings to sync, or will the settings of any player in the SbS prefs
file be synced?
If a player exists in settings on only one end of the SbS/mysb
How are custom titleformats set on SbS supposed to be handled? I set
one for a Boom player about an hour ago on SbS 7.5 embedded, but haven't
seen it change yet on either test.mysb.com or www.mysb.com.
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Therefore instead of just turning off an option and pray it didn't work we
should try to understand why it didn't work in _your_ case. Would you be
willing (and able) to retry again? Keep a daily/hourly/... copy of your files
and try again?
First it would be good to have a full description of
mherger;515060 Wrote:
There is an option to turn off settings synchronisation. I've had it
disabled since the first time SqueezeNetwork decided to screw up all my
local settings.
I know that my voice doesn't really count in such issues. But my prefs
file must be years old...
One problem I had reported was with screensavers. As I use third-party
screensavers on SBS, it can't sync those onto MySB. MySB therefore sets the
selected screensaver to something else, and then synchronises that back to
SBS, so I lose the settings on SBS.
Is there a bug report for
A definition of what is supposed to happen would be a start, any ideas
where we might find one?
Ok, so here's a list of player prefs which are beying synchronized between
mysb.com and SBS:
activeFont
activeFont_curr
alarms
Is there a bug report for this?
Not sure, now you mention it; it's going back a long time. I'll check.
As syncing is timestamp based this shouldn't happen unless you change the
setting on mysb.com.
But that's the problem - I have to change the setting on mysb.com because it
doesn't like the
Oh - are you sayin that it doesn't sync changes on SBS to MySB?
No, not saying that. I'll probably need to take more English lessons if my last
paragraph wasn't clear :-)
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FWIW: I've started a wiki article about the sync behaviour. Might need some
updating, but it's a starting point:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Prefs_syncing_Squeezebox_Server_-_MySqueezebox.com
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Thanks Michael,
That's a really good start.
Dave
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There is an option to turn off settings synchronisation. I've had it disabled
since the first time SqueezeNetwork decided to screw up all my local settings.
SBS:
Settings mysqueezebox.com mysqueezebox.com Integration = Disabled, no not
keep player settings in sync.
There is an option to turn off settings synchronisation. I've had it
disabled since the first time SqueezeNetwork decided to screw up all my local
settings.
I know that my voice doesn't really count in such issues. But my prefs file
must be years old...
Therefore instead of just turning
erland;513519 Wrote:
...
Isn't the third party Settings Manager plugin supposed to solve this
backup problem on individual players ?..
Yes, for basic backup/restore purposes this is a decent solution.
But it's not worded in a way that would make sense to the less than
tech savvy
But seriously. You can't expect users to do backups - and especially
restores!
Oh, isn't this thread about users asking for a backup feature? :-P
I better shut up now...
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This is a thread about people updating their Squeeze stuff and not
losing their previous hard work configuring the system.
Yes, we Mac users can usually restore the status quo (from a backup),
not much help if we wanted a software upgrade.
Dave
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The uses of a product like Squeezebox should not be expected to dig deep
into the operating system files to make a backup of preferences.
Many programmes have menu options to export and import prefs.
Let's have it for Squeeze products.
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Squeezebox 3 Classic and Virgin Cable
Perhaps someone wants to write a how-to bring a new Radio to an existing
Squeeze installation, here as a thread in the forum and/or as a wiki
page.
That will help other buyers, allow to see the opinion on the subject,
and can incite Logi doing changes.
I've personally written the user manual
mherger;513126 Wrote:
But seriously. You can't expect users to do backups - and especially
restores!
Oh, isn't this thread about users asking for a backup feature? :-P
I better shut up now...
If otherwise you want a discussion by quoting half sentences out of
context - yes.
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Maybe the question should be asked a different way:
Does Logitech think it acceptable that connecting a new device (a radio
in this case) should cause all other devices to lose their settings,
with no way of restoring them either through the Squeezebox interface or
through the Slimserver (or
pablolie;513083 Wrote:
...So I bring a Squeeze Radio home. I connect it to my network. I works
very nicely. Great product.
But surprise. My Menu settings for *all* other players in my household
have been overwritten. AGAIN. Now I have to manually reconfigure every
player's Menu settings,
Sounds like it more problems with MySqueezebox synchronization. It's
getting to be old hat. MySqueezebox.com is pretty screwed up, when it's
actually available, that is.
Block mysb.com at your firewall if you want a truly stable environment
for your players. Here are the IP addresses:
JJZolx;513175 Wrote:
Sounds like more problems with MySqueezebox synchronization. It's
getting to be old hat. MySqueezebox.com is pretty screwed up, when it's
actually available.
Block mysb.com at your firewall if you want a truly stable environment
for your players. Here are the IP
Indeed, I checked out (for the first time in forever) mysb.com settings,
and lo and behold the player settings that are in there for all my
players are
(1) the settings that overwrote all other players
(2) different from the local SBS settings I had carefully established
So what seems happened
A good starting point would be somebody explaining what is and what
isn't synchronised between MySB.com and Squeezebox Server. It doesn't
seem to be documented?
Dave
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pablolie;513215 Wrote:
...for whatever reason mysb.com took control of all my players and
overwrote their Menu settings...
Presumably because you had the option to keep the MySB.com and SBS
settings in sync enabled? Can't remember where this is, somewhere in
the webUI - I always keep this
Siduhe;513224 Wrote:
Presumably because you had the option to keep the MySB.com and SBS
settings in sync enabled? Can't remember where this is, somewhere in
the webUI ...
Thanks, awesome catch there. I'd never looked for this, and there it
is, under the mysb.com tab in SBS settings... the
I count myself as a pretty IT literate guy and I'd still like an option
for Squeezebox Server to be able to export it's settings. I can't
imagine all the guys running NAS solutions etc wanting to start learning
ssh just to back up their SB server.
I think it would be very valuable for situations
Siduhe;513224 Wrote:
Presumably because you had the option to keep the MySB.com and SBS
settings in sync enabled? Can't remember where this is, somewhere in
the webUI - I always keep this disabled for that very reason. Should be
set to default to off on any new install or upgrade IMHO.
Mnyb;513265 Wrote:
You are right SBS settings should always win over MySB.COM settings.
Now we have a better bug description.
When adding an additional player mysb.com overwrites local settings
for *all* players in that sbs, if sync settings with mysb.com is enabled
in sbs.
Has the bug
Mnyb;513265 Wrote:
You are right SBS settings should always win over MySB.COM settings.
Why? If you connect your SB to mysb.com and make a change while
attached to mysb.com, if you're syncing the settings, wouldn't you
expect SbS to take the new setting from mysb.com? I think the way it's
JJZolx;513474 Wrote:
Why? If you connect your SB to mysb.com and make a change while
attached to mysb.com, if you're syncing the settings, wouldn't you
expect SbS to take the new setting from mysb.com? I think the way it's
done is to timestamp all settings on either end. Look in your SbS
pablolie;513482 Wrote:
While it makes sense that the *latest* settings should rule, there also
ought to be a way to save previous versions, just in case. Especially
since people switching between the two may have different deployment
models in mind that perhaps ought to reflect in different
JJZolx;513486 Wrote:
All SbS settings and player settings are stored in a single location:
the prefs directory. Just back it up. It contains:
- server.prefs. This is the most important file and contains both
server and all player settigns.
- log.conf. Contains logging level
OK so the setting with the later timestamp should rule then, Is this
always the case ?
Can it be so that if have an old account done with pin numbers and such
and a bunch of old players.
That when you conect with the new player and setting an email adress
then it syncs !
What i'm trying to say:
pablolie;513506 Wrote:
Again: this only protects your *exisiting* config in a monolithic,
utterly inflexible way. I know that. I do that. It merely serves
disaster protection. That is why we do backups.
It is *worthless* when you add players (as is the case in this thread)
since restoring
The *only* thing I did was add a Radio to my network and SBS. The SBS is
configured with a mysb.com account that hooks it to Pandora. What I know
is that by the time the Radio joined my local SBS, all other players had
been reset to their mysb.com default settings. None of them had ever
been
erland;513519 Wrote:
SBS has so far always been able to upgrade configuration from the
previous release.
That is not true in my experience. As mentioned before, I have always
backed up the var\lib prefs folder. But at least twice in the last 6
months SBS would not work anymore if I tried to
...So I bring a Squeeze Radio home. I connect it to my network. I works
very nicely. Great product.
But surprise. My settings for *all* other players in my household have
been overwritten. AGAIN. Now I have to manually reconfigure everything,
AGAIN.
Logitech: you MUST provide a tool to save
Logitech: you MUST provide a tool to save existing settings. You MUST.
Windows does. OSX does. Linux has tons of them. Why should we add another
backup solution? It's one folder (see Settings/Information) to back up.
The whole back up your conf file crap is utterly unnerving, and useless.
pablolie;513083 Wrote:
...So I bring a Squeeze Radio home. I connect it to my network. I works
very nicely. Great product.
But surprise. My Menu settings for *all* other players in my household
have been overwritten. AGAIN. Now I have to manually reconfigure every
player's Menu settings,
This i spurely SBS stuff. The Menu settings of all boxes were
overwritten when the Radio came in.
As to the backup solution - the current form would not work for this.
Every time I default to my old config file I'd have to add the Radio
again - endless loop as it resets the other boxes' menus
New flavor: I believe he talks Apps and those are ALWAYS stored on MySB.
No way to backup there.
@Michael: sorry, but that's nonsense. Please don't expect users to do
stuff in installation directories. Especially true on OSX where the
prefs are in a location actually being hidden from the user
The backup option I am talking about is a backup .bin file for every
squeezebox that can be restored. Every wireless device has one. Copying
Unpack those .bin files and you'd be surprised to find a bunch of text files...
around system files is *not* a stable backup solution, and in this case
Setting manager is it maintained ? it can save and copy player settings
for a each player ?
FYI the settings is not in the device itself the old players menu
settings is all in server, the only thing in the player is the network
setup.
Squeezeplay based players have some local autonomy over
Adding a Radio did this.
Now my Duet is in some weird loop too. Agh.
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Server: Shuttle X27D - Ubuntu 8.04LTS - SBS 7.4.1
Sources: SB3 (3), SB Boom (3), Duet (1), Accuphase DP65v CD
Amplifier: Accuphase E306v - Creek OBH21/22
Loudspeakers: Ceeroy 3-way tower (tuned) -
@Michael: sorry, but that's nonsense. Please don't expect users to do
I do. Everybody should care about backing up his data. You won't blame MS for
lack of a backup feature in Word if you lose a document, do you?
stuff in installation directories. Especially true on OSX where the
prefs are
mherger;513115 Wrote:
@Michael: sorry, but that's nonsense. Please don't expect users to
do
I do. Everybody should care about backing up his data. You won't blame
MS for lack of a backup feature in Word if you lose a document, do you?
stuff in installation directories. Especially
Why oh why?
Well we know, the Squeeze experience is not for ordinary consumers, it
is primarily for IT / ex IT / want to be IT staff.
Designed by computer professionals for computer g***s.
Dave
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mherger;513115 Wrote:
@Michael: sorry, but that's nonsense. Please don't expect users to
do
I do. Everybody should care about backing up his data. You won't blame
MS for lack of a backup feature in Word if you lose a document, do you?
This is not a document. It's not created by the
Do these darn courier companies assume we will be home between 09:00 and
17:00 to receive a parcel?
I could see it coming, leaving the West Coast, getting to Philly.
The excitement mounts.
Flying to East Midlands Airport, down to Cardiff
Soon now, very soon.
and then oops no-one at home to
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