After 8 years of using Napster, the fact that old Squeezeboxes like the
Receiver (and the Controller some time ago) are no longer supported and
new options in the Squeezebox-universe (like my RaspberryPi solutions)
were never supported at all, I also decided to cancel my Napster
subscription.
In
pippin wrote:
Which issue? The Rhapsody issue or the single-track-for-Spotify one?
Technically possible: sure. Allowed by Rhapsody: probably not, they have
end-to-end encryption in their security concept, they have to assure
that. That's the whole reason for all this hassle.
I'm curious how
Bluetooth is degraded audio, SPDIF is something you can do on
Squeezebox, too, and Apple does create an unbelievable amount of work to
make sure AirPlay is mostly secure.
End of the day this is all nonsense and I have to speculate about what
exactly Rhapsody's contracts say since I don't know
MrClive wrote:
I've as in exactly the same position and have done exactly the same
thing.
Using MAx2play to run Spotify although it does cost a £10 per month
compared to £5 (dropped Napster), it runs really well and I'm not
getting the buffering that i've had with the SB boom on and off
Thanks ade. That's really helpfully, I'm looking to try running both on
a single PI that hadn't have worked I'd have bought a 2nd one.
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RSJ wrote:
I just wanted to update everyone and send out a thank you to everyone
who pointed me in the right direction; my Rhapsody/Duet woes have been
solved. Rhapsody is dead and I've moved to Spotify, sorry Rhapsody. I
set up a LMS on my Raspberry Pi and used Max2Play as the platform. Set
After starting this thread, I tried a Sonos Connect for use with
Rhapsody but was disappointed with the sound quality from the digital
outputs (lacking in bass compared to the SB3, just not as engaging to
listen to.) I returned the Sonos and am now trying a Denon Heos Link.
My immediate
I just wanted to update everyone and send out a thank you to everyone
who pointed me in the right direction; my Rhapsody/Duet woes have been
solved. Rhapsody is dead and I've moved to Spotify, sorry Rhapsody. I
set up a LMS on my Raspberry Pi and used Max2Play as the platform. Set
up the 3rd
What a bummer - Napster was the last big streaming service that I could
use on the Squeezebox and now most of my hardware no longer supports it.
I've now cancelled it after being subscribed for about 6 years.
I remember when I was discovering new music on my Squeezeboxes with
Last.fm, then
I would really hope that could happen philippe_44 because if I could
get Rhapsody playing on my Picoreplayer it would be a beautiful thing.
If Rhapsody did that I think it would open them up to a very large
market. Imagine the potential of small and affordable players that could
stream Rhapsody,
I guess this is more a question for Michael:
I there any chance that an agreement could be found between Rhaspsody
and mysqueezebox.com so that a software player like squeezelite would be
authorized to use the service ? I understand there are various right
issues, but doesn't hurt asking. If
I there any chance that an agreement could be found between Rhaspsody
and mysqueezebox.com so that a software player like squeezelite would be
authorized to use the service ?
No way. As pippin wrote a few days ago: they don't want you to be able
to listen to the streams on any device.
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I there any chance that an agreement could be found between Rhaspsody
and mysqueezebox.com so that a software player like squeezelite would
be
authorized to use the service ?
No way. As pippin wrote a few days ago: they don't want you to be able
to listen to the
Like many folks on this thread the loss of Duet receivers with Rhapsody
was a problem after 11 years of usage in my home sound system. I
ditched Rhapsody and subscribed to Spotify. I have replaced the Duet
receivers with Gramofon receivers. Using Allplay on the Gramofon
receivers gives me the
Thanks for everyone's help and all these details. As a long-time
Rhapsody/Duet user this is a serious downer but I'm glad for the
information.
One question (and apologies if I've missed this in the thread or if
inappropriate to ask here): What are (other) options to replace or
supplement a Duet
I might be wrong about this but in my research there isn't anything that
comes close to replacing a Rhapsody/Duet combo other than the SB Touch
and SB Radio. This is a serious downer for me because I have a stack of
SB Receivers feeding a rack of amps for my whole house audio system and
in order
Hi guys,
So any alternative streaming services that I can use my SB Boom (and
also my SB Radio) directly from MSB (I don't have LMS)? Sure, my SB
Radio continues to work but I'm not keeping the Napster sub just for the
single device...
How about Deezer?
Thanks!
philippe_44 wrote:
Sounds like a faulty device or a configuration problem, as if you used
PCM 44.1/16 they are just raw. Don't want to defend Sonos against
Squeezebox line :) here but as much as one can be not happy with the
PLAY:1, 3 or 5 loudspeaker characteristic, the CONNECT when used
pippin wrote:
I'm not at all impressed with the sound quality of my Sonos connect
(it's not entirely bad, too. It's simply average) but hey, we are
talking about Rhapsody here, aren't we? I mean, it doesn't get much
worse there days if we talk about sound quality so what you stream it to
pippin wrote:
Which problem? Rhapsody will only work on Touch and Radio.
That what I mean - is there an option to have the Touch/Radio image
running in QEMU ?
LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1,
PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000,
Rhapsody will only work on Touch and Radio.
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To be more specific: there are private binaries in the Touch and Radio
images which are not part of the public distribution.
The very reason for this is to make sure things like Rhapsody can not be
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You all need to get this: RHAPSODY DOES NOT WANT YOU TO PLAY ITS SERVICE
ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN SQUEEZEBOX HARDWARE.
On ip3k hardware it no longer works, that's not intentional but probably
unavoidable. But that it doesn't run on anything else is not by accident
or because somebody didn't
And since I'm at it... one more:
This is not malice by Rhapsody. They have to do this, they are obliged
to it by their rights holders.
I've had good discussions with them regarding supporting it in iPeng's
player in the past and since that's a controlled environment they would
have been OK with
pippin wrote:
Yea, sorry, but you are like the 20th person asking the question, so
this wasn't just targeted at you ;) it will come up many more times
I understand but I was proposing something a bit different and I would
been happy to try to build it - anyway
LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3
And yes, if you can get the original images that come with the server to
run in a virtualization environment, then it would work. I doubt they
run on anything but real hardware, though.
And, btw, this question has been answered a few times before in the
developer forum, too
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pippin wrote:
You all need to get this: RHAPSODY DOES NOT WANT YOU TO PLAY ITS SERVICE
ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN SQUEEZEBOX HARDWARE (through LMS).
On ip3k hardware it no longer works, that's not intentional but probably
unavoidable. But that it doesn't run on anything else is not by accident
pippin wrote:
And yes, if you can get the original images that come with the server to
run in a virtualization environment, then it would probably work. I
doubt they run on anything but real hardware, though.
And, btw, this question has been answered a few times before in the
developer
The idea of test is to use it only as the decryption machine. Rendering
would be done by a proper squeezelite
LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1,
PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne
(sort of)
Yea, sorry, but you are like the 20th person asking the question, so
this wasn't just targeted at you ;) it will come up many more times
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The main issue will probably be that the audio drivers used by Logitech
are likely proprietary ones so if you run the image on anything else I
doubt that will work. I'm also not sure, they might call stuff from the
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I doubt that would work. Where do you capture the audio and how do you
re-stream it without adding a lot more latency. You'd also have two
players in the loop then.
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pippin wrote:
I doubt that would work. Where do you capture the audio and how do you
re-stream it without adding a lot more latency. You'd also have two
players in the loop then.
I agree this would be awfully complicated (if ever feasible) but the
idea is that the Slimproto would be proxied
Here's the response I got from Rhapsody on May 10, 2015. I see that
these same compliance issues haven't stopped Pandora (I'm a paid
subscriber, so the same issues apply), Spotify, etc. from being able to
stream on my Slimbox Classic. Only Rhapsody has a problem. I've been a
subscriber since
I hope everyone has better luck switching to Spotify than I have had.
Can't figure out why it won't work for me. Now I'm rearranging players,
and looking to replace my Duet and Booms with Radios and maybe another
Touch.
SUE
-If you're happy and you know it turn the volume up and 'blow it out'
Just purely out of curiosity, anybody knows what happens with that
problem when you have squeezeOS used in QEMU
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PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne
(sort of)
Which problem? Rhapsody will only work on Touch and Radio.
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philippe_44 wrote:
Sounds like a faulty device or a configuration problem, as if you used
PCM 44.1/16 they are just raw. Don't want to defend Sonos against
Squeezebox line :) here but as much as one can be not happy with the
PLAY:1, 3 or 5 loudspeaker characteristic, the CONNECT when used
kh6idf wrote:
I returned the Sonos Connect after listening to it for a week. Using
the digital out (coaxial or optical) the sound was thin, bass-shy and
more 2-dimensional than the Squeezebox. So much so that I found myself
not wanting to listen. Today I put the SB3 back in place and
I'm not at all impressed with the sound quality of my Sonos connect
(it's not entirely bad, too. It's simply average) but hey, we are
talking about Rhapsody here, aren't we? I mean, it doesn't get much
worse there days if we talk about sound quality so what you stream it to
pretty much doesn't
kh6idf wrote:
I got the following email from Rhapsody today:
Hi-
Thank you for writing back to Rhapsody support.
There was a server problem from Rhapsody and it is now resolved. Please
sign out from Rhapsody, restart device and try to sign in to access
music with out any problem.
I
MeSue wrote:
Here's how they replied to my goodbye message on their Fb page...
I'm flabbergasted at her response. I've been a subscriber to Rhapsody
since they were owned by Real. Guess it's time for Spotify for me!
bocaboy wrote:
I'm having the same problem. Your e-mail is dated late April, and I'm
writing this in the first part of May. How can they allow a problem like
this to go on for so long??!!
If you have an SB3 or duet ,classic or boom or tranporter your problem
will never be resolved as the
I returned the Sonos Connect after listening to it for a week. Using
the digital out (coaxial or optical) the sound was thin, bass-shy and
more 2-dimensional than the Squeezebox. So much so that I found myself
not wanting to listen. Today I out the SB3 back in place and Pandora
sounds very
Well now I am doubly hosed because I can't get Spotify to take my money.
First I tried upgrading my original account to Premium, then I tried
creating a new account with a different email. No go. Tried multiple
credit cards, but just get this, over and over...
Oops, seems your card or payment
mherger wrote:
Yes, I'd like to hear from Michael if this is a dead end.
Please not that I'm not an official Logitech communication channel.
Official statements always take a little longer :-). But afaik the
official statement is on its way (and, technically, I'm still on
vacation
Here's how they replied to my goodbye message on their Fb page...
Hi Susan,
We're sorry to hear this! We updated our security protocols to best
serve our community and unfortunately Squeezebox devices are
incompatible with our new standards.
If you have additional questions regarding
mherger wrote:
Yes, I'd like to hear from Michael if this is a dead end.
Please not that I'm not an official Logitech communication channel.
Official statements always take a little longer :-). But afaik the
official statement is on its way (and, technically, I'm still on
vacation
Yes, I'd like to hear from Michael if this is a dead end.
Please not that I'm not an official Logitech communication channel.
Official statements always take a little longer :-). But afaik the
official statement is on its way (and, technically, I'm still on
vacation ;-)).
But yes, the last
mherger wrote:
Unfortunately there is no good news: Rhapsody is no longer working on
older SB models due to encryption changes. Most likely this is not
fixable lack of memory on these older devices. We've been counting bytes
before (literally!). Implementing new encryption modes is out of
Squeezeisfab wrote:
Hi Michael,
Before I close my rhapsody account have all avenues drawn to a close re
working on older boxes? Or are you still investigating a possible
solution?
Thanks
Yes, I'd like to hear from Michael if this is a dead end.
If so, that bites. :(
I was on the
pippin wrote:
Sure. The Radio is pretty much a standalone system with just a headphone
out but Touch is perfect for HiFi systems. It's essentially an SB3
successor
hi, eveybody out ther. same issue here in cologne. sad news.
whats about an ssl proxy. installed on the inline device like qnap
Would still expose the keys on your server.
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I decided to move to a Sonos Connect in order to keep listening to
Rhapsody. There is some difference in the sound (using coax digital
output on both players) that I think is due to the way they process the
bitstream. The SB3 has a fuller sound with more extended bass. I have
not been able to
kh6idf wrote:
I decided to move to a Sonos Connect in order to keep listening to
Rhapsody. There is some difference in the sound (using coax digital
output on both players) that I think is due to the way they process the
bitstream. The SB3 has a fuller sound with more extended bass. I
dbinfl wrote:
Oh, OK - to clarify I am syncing to 3 players at the same time, rather
than a different stream to each. Sorry for misunderstanding.
~dbinfl~
Have you found a service that works the same way? I used wimp that way
for some time but now wimp is tidal.
Logitech Media Server
24 hours in and find myself loving Deezer... not only for rescuing my
use of Squeezebox (thanks Pippin) but also the SmartPhone/Tablet app
user interface is better than Napster in my opinion. And I am getting
used to the Deezer Squeezebox interface also... so might not need to use
IckStream
Can some one explain this change on Logitech's side? I'm not real savy
on all this encryption stuff but when I looked up PCI compliance it has
to do with credit card payments. So what does credit card payments have
to do with streaming music from Rhapsody?
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Vincent (Help Team)
Apr 28, 12:50 AM
Hi,
I'm sorry you are unable to listen music on Logitech Squeezebox Duet. I
apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Logitech has made a change last week to disable some SSL cyphers as
required for PCI compliance. With this change,
RSJ wrote:
Can some one explain this change on Logitech's side? I'm not real savy
on all this encryption stuff but when I looked up PCI compliance it has
to do with credit card payments. So what does credit card payments have
to do with streaming music from Rhapsody?
Hi RSJ
I can only
fcm4711 wrote:
I can only assume that Rhapsody is running other things than serving
music like CC payments on these backend servers too which required the
update.
C'mon Felix, you and I know how serving up content through SSL/TLS works
so it was pretty obvious that at some time the
pippin wrote:
C'mon Felix, you and I know how serving up content through SSL/TLS works
so it was pretty obvious that at some time the crypto server's maker
would enforce or at least strongly discourage use of the old standard.
They don't want to be at fault when something gets hacked.
Like
Got set up with a Spotify Premium for a month free to try it out
Easy to get it going on Squeezebox thanks to guidance available on this
site - many thanks.
But and it is a HUGE but with the 3rd party SPOTIFY plugin you can
only stream to 1 Squeezebox at a time... a serious regression to
Deezer? Tidal? The one track at a time limit is a Spotify speciality
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Newer services often no longer encrypt their streams because rights
holders today are less paranoid, they understand that it's not their
paying customers who are trying to rob them.
But Rhapsody is one of the first services around, they have old
contracts and these contracts require the
garym wrote:
on the web or on a smart phone or SqueezePlay control. In the latter two
examples, I press and hold and move ickstream to my home menu. Not sure
about the regular webGUI.
Hi - on my Android smartphone Logitech Squeezebox Controller app.
Holding does not allow me to move it.
Squeezeisfab wrote:
1. Why are other streams not faced with this issue? Or will they be in
time?
Which issue? The Rhapsody issue or the single-track-for-Spotify one?
Most Streaming clients have the same Spotify limitation, with Rhapsody I
don't have an overview. But the fact that the
Thanks Pippin for the early suggestion.
I have taken a look at Deezer and it looks promising. Have set up a free
account, got it set up on my NAS LMS and started to have a play.
Was not impressed with the User interface at all so after a bit more
digging into options came across ickStream.
Hm, which account type do you have? Does it play full tracks through
MySqueezebox.com?
While most other services don't play anything at all on Squeezeboxes
when you don't have the necessary premium account, Deezer plays the
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Sure Cheztaz.
Firstly, please know that I run LMS on a QNAP NAS.
You need to get the IckStream plugin (I got it here for Linux -
http://repository.ickstream.com/squeezebox/repository-linux.xml). Then
configure that to access a Deezer account, which you also need to set
up, premium account,
And you want to know whether other devices are affected, too, or other
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pippin wrote:
And you want to know whether other devices are affected, too, or other
services?
Yes why don't other services suffer from the same encryption issue? Or
will they in time?
One other question. I thought the squeezebox could use wpa2 Aes
encryption when connecting to the wifi. Is
pippin wrote:
Newer services often no longer encrypt their streams because rights
holders today are less paranoid, they understand that it's not their
paying customers who are trying to rob them.
But Rhapsody is one of the first services around, they have old
contracts and these contracts
Yep, that appears to be it Pippin. Have subscribed to the full service
(free month trial) and it now plays whole track.
Got it working on Slim Device, Receiver and Radio.
My much cherished Squeezeboxes have had a stay of execution with
Deezer and IckStream looking a very adequate replacement for
cheztaz wrote:
Hi LeatherOsprey,
I have had the same issue with Rhapsody, and have cancelled my
subscription due to the changes, can you let me know what you did to get
Ickstream please? Is this a service similar to Napster? do you
download an app onto your Squeezeboxes? or a plug in
LeatherOsprey wrote:
Another question - is there anyway I can elevate IckStream to the
Squeezebox Home menu?
on the web or on a smart phone or SqueezePlay control. In the latter two
examples, I press and hold and move ickstream to my home menu. Not sure
about the regular webGUI.
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cheztaz wrote:
Thanks LeatherOsprey,
i think I have it up and running...subscribed to Deezer for the free 30
day trial, and seems to be playing well, and full tracks...possibly a
good replacement for Napster/Rhapsody. Will keep you informed. I have
Spotify free for one year, so keeping
pippin wrote:
Deezer? Tidal? The one track at a time limit is a Spotify speciality
related to the libspotify library
Hi a couple of silly questions
1. Why are other streams not faced with this issue? Or will they be in
time?
2. Would it be possible to build an lms plugin to handle the
Another question - is there anyway I can elevate IckStream to the
Squeezebox Home menu?
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Thanks LeatherOsprey,
i think I have it up and running...subscribed to Deezer for the free 30
day trial, and seems to be playing well, and full tracks...possibly a
good replacement for Napster/Rhapsody. Will keep you informed. I have
Spotify free for one year, so keeping that for the time
pippin wrote:
Which issue? The Rhapsody issue or the single-track-for-Spotify one?
Most Streaming clients have the same Spotify limitation, with Rhapsody I
don't have an overview. But the fact that the Squeezeboxes were designed
as a thin client and actually was already at the limit of
LeatherOsprey wrote:
Thanks Pippin for the early suggestion.
I have taken a look at Deezer and it looks promising. Have set up a free
account, got it set up on my NAS LMS and started to have a play.
Was not impressed with the User interface at all so after a bit more
digging into
pippin wrote:
You don't happen to use iPeng, don't you?
Because that has a global search feature at least for tracks in the
current playlist...
No I don't. Sounds promising; I'll check it out. Thanks!
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Oh, OK - to clarify I am syncing to 3 players at the same time, rather
than a different stream to each. Sorry for misunderstanding.
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LeatherOsprey wrote:
Got set up with a Spotify Premium for a month free to try it out
...But and it is a HUGE but with the 3rd party SPOTIFY plugin you
can only stream to 1 Squeezebox at a time...
H...I didn't have that problem. I set up Spotify Premium with the
Triode
I received an email from Vincent saying that Squeezebox was not
supported. I can verify that my Transporter, Duet, Controller and Boom
no longer word. Rhapsody is history for me at this point. It was great
while it lasted.
garym wrote:
for radio/touch via mysb.com. but for older players, need the 3rd party
plugin running through LMS to use spotify.
Got this hooked up today - Spotify premium with Triode's plugin. Works
like a charm against my older players. Spotify has one big feature that
I like about
dbinfl wrote:
One drawback is that the lookup of a currently playing song on other
services (e.g. Pandora is playing, look up the song on Rhapsody) doesn't
include Spotify in the list of lookup sources. I added lots of stuff to
Rhapsody over the years with this feature.
You don't happen
toby10 wrote:
Newer players Touch Radio are (correctly) not on that list. They
still work with new Rhapsody/Napster encryption.
Thanks - can the Touch and Radio be plugged into my surround sound
system?
cheztaz's
Thanks...I think it is bye bye Napster/Rhapsody timeand will try out
Spotify - but this is only available through LMS isn't it?
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cheztaz wrote:
thanks for your help, you got a better answer than I did. Are there any
other squeezeboxes out there which you can plug your surround sound into
that you are aware of?
I'm not aware of any SB models that aren't on that list, but maybe
someone else knows of some.
If I keep
Newer players Touch Radio are (correctly) not on that list. They
still work with new Rhapsody/Napster encryption.
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After emailing Rhapsody about this issue--their reply seems to blame
Logitech - I'm sure Logitech blames Rhapsody--at any rate, it sure looks
like longtime customers of both services are out of luck.:mad:
Vincent (Help Team)
Apr 28, 12:50 AM
Hi,
I'm sorry you are unable to listen music on
I think blame is a complicated thing in this case.
The switch to AES is probably inevitable, without it TLS is insecure and
why would they want to use an insecure encryption...
No idea about whether it's feasible at all to put AES onto the ip3k
processor (probably yes, it's a network processor)
Sure. The Radio is pretty much a standalone system with just a headphone
out but Touch is perfect for HiFi systems. It's essentially an SB3
successor
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cheztaz wrote:
Thanks...I think it is bye bye Napster/Rhapsody timeand will try out
Spotify - but this is only available through LMS isn't it?
for radio/touch via mysb.com. but for older players, need the 3rd party
plugin running through LMS to use spotify.
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Yes, great work on getting clarity from Rhapsody. Really appreciate it.
Can anyone advise on whether Spotify works with Duet receiver and Slim
Devices? Not sure if I need to be more specific on the models for an
answer?
Much appreciate help.
I love Rhapsody, was originally thinking my
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