[ACFUG Discuss] I find myself where I have tried to avoid going. A short rant and then a question. Would love some feedback.

2010-07-09 Thread Derrick Peavy
I know this is kind of long and winding, but I'd love some feedback. Starting a project. And, as I've discussed my coding abilities with people I meet they are continuously giving me looks of bewildering and beguiling amusement. Not talking about any Dick and Jane. I'm talking

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] I find myself where I have tried to avoid going. A short rant and then a question. Would love some feedback.

2010-07-09 Thread Ajas Mohammed
My opinion answers : How do you explain to someone the basic core ideas behind CF and PHP. PHP is an Apache module. CF runs on a java servlet or on Jrun, Tomcat, etc. I'm honestly not the best to explain it. But I've seen the performance side, and it's good. And I've seen the code bloat in PHP

[ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 enterprise license plus free development license

2010-07-09 Thread Ajas Mohammed
Hi, Our trial of CF 9 enterprise is about to expire. So, I wanted to get opinion of people who are familiar with this scenario or who have already made purchase of CF 9 enterprise license which allows to use a development enterprise license free of cost for your development/test server. Does

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] I find myself where I have tried to avoid going. A short rant and then a question. Would love some feedback.

2010-07-09 Thread Les
Why not code it in PHP?  I've done some PHP, it's pretty slick, free and popular.  It will give you the chance to learn something new and make yourself more marketable.  I work with CF mostly, but won't hesitate to take a job doing something else.  There are a limited number of CF jobs

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 enterprise license plus free development license

2010-07-09 Thread John Mason
The new EULA that comes with CF9 allows you to use the same license key for development and QA servers that you would on the production server. Sounds like you might only need 1 ent license because of the new EULA changes. That's not to be confused with the developer license which is and has

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] I find myself where I have tried to avoid going. A short rant and then a question. Would love some feedback.

2010-07-09 Thread John Mason
You should learn and understand other languages like PHP. Polygot programming will make you a better programmer overall. That being said, there are plenty of CF jobs from what I'm seeing and in fact the typical CF positions are higher paying from the PHP side, because there are fewer of us.

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 enterprise license plus free development license

2010-07-09 Thread Charlie Arehart
Well, to be clear, you say he may need only one CF 9 Enterprise license, but would that be because you're assuming the other 2 he owns are for test only? He doesn't quite say that, as far as I see. He said: We already have about 3 ColdFusion 7 enterprise licenses and this would be an upgrade.

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 enterprise license plus free development license

2010-07-09 Thread John Mason
Well that and it depends on if they're using virtualization. John ma...@fusionlink.com On 7/9/10 4:53 PM, Charlie Arehart wrote: Well, to be clear, you say he may need only one CF 9 Enterprise license, but would that be because you're assuming the other 2 he owns are for test only? He

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 enterprise license plus free development license

2010-07-09 Thread Charlie Arehart
Good point. I thought twice about adding the link to Terry's other blog entry that addressed that (a bit). Should have thought a third time. :-) Here it is: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/coldfusion-9-eula-changes /charlie -Original Message- From: ad...@acfug.org

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 enterprise license plus free development license

2010-07-09 Thread John Mason
As a customer, I really love these new EULA changes for obvious reasons, but I do wonder what they were thinking when they did this. It's going to a very real impact on their bottom line in the number of licenses they'll sell. John ma...@fusionlink.com On 7/9/10 5:30 PM, Charlie Arehart

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 enterprise license plus free development license

2010-07-09 Thread Ajas Mohammed
Thanks Charlie and John. To clarify, we have 3 production enterprise CF 7 licenses and 1 enterprise CF 7 license on dev/QA server. So total of 4 licenses. Yes, I am familiar with local Developer edition setup and thats how I develop i.e. locally on my workstation. I am very happy with that. :-)

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 enterprise license plus free development license

2010-07-09 Thread Charlie Arehart
Well that's true, yes, though technically you could install CF9 on another of the boxes (as I assume you have one for each of the 3 prod licenses), to that will get you another 60 days. :-) /charlie From: ad...@acfug.org [mailto:ad...@acfug.org] On Behalf Of Ajas Mohammed Sent: Friday,

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 enterprise license plus free development license

2010-07-09 Thread Ajas Mohammed
Well, this one test server is the main QA/Test server which is accessed by clients as well, so we want this QA/Test server to have CF 9 for now so we can continue our testing. We dont plan to go CF 9 in production until we are done with complete testing on this particular QA/Test Server.So in

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] CF 9 enterprise license plus free development license

2010-07-09 Thread Charlie Arehart
So you mean that someone is averse to doing the testing on a box that is used for production, right? As a preference? I'm just clarifying that technically, one could do such testing on a new implementation of CF9 on a box already running CF 8. They are unconnected to each other (you don't need

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] I find myself where I have tried to avoid going. A short rant and then a question. Would love some feedback.

2010-07-09 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Derrick Peavy derr...@derrickpeavy.com wrote: I know this is kind of long and winding, but I'd love some feedback. I've seen a ton of folks go through this on various mailing lists. Here's my take... PHP is not a bad language, CF is not a bad language.

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] I find myself where I have tried to avoid going. A short rant and then a question. Would love some feedback.

2010-07-09 Thread Derrick Peavy
Thank you all for the responses. And to John Mason and Ajas Mohammed for clarifying some technical issues in a way that I can translate to others. Want to add a couple of things. First, I may eventually pick up some php. But not so much for this project. Second, the project is a start