Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On 2018-04-01 11:24, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 16:29:23 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: On Sunday 01 April 2018 at 16:13:10, aitor_czr wrote: > On 31/03/18 20:54, Rick Moen wrote: > Where is Vladimir Karimov, one of the worst dictators of the

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 16:29:23 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > On Sunday 01 April 2018 at 16:13:10, aitor_czr wrote: > > > On 31/03/18 20:54, Rick Moen wrote: > > Where is Vladimir Karimov, one of the worst dictators of the world, > > fortunately dead? > [snip]

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 17:39:35 +0200 aitor_czr wrote: > Hi, > > On 01/04/18 16:29, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Sunday 01 April 2018 at 16:13:10, aitor_czr wrote: > > > >> On 31/03/18 20:54, Rick Moen wrote: > >> > >>> Yes, and your point is? > >> My point of view, you mean? >

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Hi, On 01/04/18 16:29, Antony Stone wrote: On Sunday 01 April 2018 at 16:13:10, aitor_czr wrote: On 31/03/18 20:54, Rick Moen wrote: Yes, and your point is? My point of view, you mean? By downloading CentOS software, you acknowledge that you understand all of the following: CentOS

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Quoting Antony Stone (antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it): > Firstly, I am not familiar with who Vladimir Karimov is, and a Google > / Wikipedia search has not helped me to find out. > > Secondly, what has the current resting place of a dead dictator got to > do with Open Source licensing and

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Sunday 01 April 2018 at 16:13:10, aitor_czr wrote: > On 31/03/18 20:54, Rick Moen wrote: > > > Yes, and your point is? > > My point of view, you mean? > > By downloading CentOS software, you acknowledge that you understand all > of the following: CentOS software and technical information may

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Hi Rick, On 31/03/18 20:54, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting aitor_czr (aitor_...@gnuinos.org): Scientific Linux is a CentOS based distribution, Indeed, which in turn is an RHEL rebuild, with the result that they are both RHEL rebuilds. I'm thus really not sure what your point is. But..., read

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Quoting chillfan (chill...@protonmail.com): > I've not paid attention to Red Hat since FC1, so I have no idea what > the issues are there. That's a whole different can of worms anyway. Well, if you wish to know, I _have_ documented the matter: 'RHEL ISOs' on

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Quoting aitor_czr (aitor_...@gnuinos.org): > Scientific Linux is a CentOS based distribution, Indeed, which in turn is an RHEL rebuild, with the result that they are both RHEL rebuilds. I'm thus really not sure what your point is. > But..., read here: > > https://www.centos.org/legal/ Yes,

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

I've not paid attention to Red Hat since FC1, so I have no idea what the issues are there. That's a whole different can of worms anyway. If someone is happy to rebrand then it's fine. Also I don't mean to put down derivatives, I just think a defacto replacement would work out best. ​Thanks,

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Hi Rick, On 31/03/18 18:14, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting chillfan (chill...@protonmail.com): I think it was important to point this situation out. If distributing free software can potentially get you into a legal situation this quickly, then it's just not worth the headache that follows. So,

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Quoting chillfan (chill...@protonmail.com): > I think it was important to point this situation out. If distributing > free software can potentially get you into a legal situation this > quickly, then it's just not worth the headache that follows. So, you're saying that CentOS and Scientific

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

I think it was important to point this situation out. If distributing free software can potentially get you into a legal situation this quickly, then it's just not worth the headache that follows. IMHO.. The primary reason for searching for an alternative to firefox is not that it sucks but

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

* On 2018 31 Mar 02:15 -0500, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 30/03/2018 à 16:28, Steve Litt a écrit : > > Here's why I wouldn't use Palemoon if it were the last browser on earth: > > > > https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 > > > > By the way, a little research on USPTO shows they have no

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Le 30/03/2018 à 16:28, Steve Litt a écrit : On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 17:42:37 +0200 Jaromil wrote: hi Chillfan, On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Chillfan wrote: I agree that a fork is needed, but I think this would be a whole lot of work. yes. forks are a LOT of work. Even Devuan, which

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 07:42:49PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Certainly your privilege -- but, to just by your bellyaching, you'd > think it was difficult to just substitute a slightly different name > and logo, which it's not. You have to specify a specific option in order *not* to substitute

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I gotta show these guys *everything*... It's worse than that: If you want us to understand that you did a trademark search not just at USPTO but also at EUIPO, Canadian Intellectual Property Office, India Trade Marks Registry, WIPO, CIPC, China

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 13:36:05 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > Here's why I wouldn't use Palemoon if it were the last browser on > > earth: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 > > > > By the way, a little research

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On 30/03/18 22:36, Rick Moen wrote: And, for gosh sakes, spend a few minutes to learn some real trademark law, already. Please. People fork the mozilla browser due to its legal restrictions (i think); so, referring to palemoon, where is the sense of forking it applying similar

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Here's why I wouldn't use Palemoon if it were the last browser on earth: > https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 > > By the way, a little research on USPTO shows they have no registered > trademark on "Palemoon". For somebody so

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Friday 30 March 2018 at 21:39:14, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:28:00AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Here's why I wouldn't use Palemoon if it were the last browser on earth: > > > > https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 > > Is there another name that palemoon

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:28:00AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 17:42:37 +0200 > Jaromil wrote: > > > hi Chillfan, > > > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Chillfan wrote: > > > > > I agree that a fork is needed, but I think this would be a whole > > > lot of work. >

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Hi, On 2018 30 Mar 09:29 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: Here's why I wouldn't use Palemoon if it were the last browser on earth: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 After reading the discussion, makes me want to remove Pale Moon from gnuinos. What about Abrowser, Trisquel's version of

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

* On 2018 30 Mar 09:29 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Here's why I wouldn't use Palemoon if it were the last browser on earth: > > https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 Thanks, Steve. I'm off to remove it from my laptop. I guess they just set themselves up as a "routing problem". Good

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

That's interesting. Perhaps it was best I didn't get palemoon building correctly, I was under the impression they had changed to a more friendly approach with their official branding. So that would make Palemoon builds even more difficult there. ​Thanks, chillfan ‐‐‐ Original Message

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 17:42:37 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > hi Chillfan, > > On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Chillfan wrote: > > > I agree that a fork is needed, but I think this would be a whole > > lot of work. > > yes. forks are a LOT of work. Even Devuan, which I'd say is a > relatively

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

I believe so as well, but if I remember the build dependencies given in Steve Pussers sources require and fetch (apt-get build-dep) gcc-4.9 so it may be right that 4.9 is needed, or it should be built on Jessie. That might be why I was having issues with stability. ​Thanks, chillfan ‐‐‐

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Am Donnerstag, 29. März 2018 schrieb Tomasz Torcz ️: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 02:42:53AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 05:43:15PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > >

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Le 30/03/2018 à 11:40, aitor_czr a écrit : Hi Hendrik, On 30/03/18 11:25, Hendrik Boom wrote: What happens with later versions of gcc? fails to build, or fails to function when built? There are deb packages for debian 9:

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Hi Hendrik, On 30/03/18 11:25, Hendrik Boom wrote: What happens with later versions of gcc? fails to build, or fails to function when built? There are deb packages for debian 9: https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:stevenpusser=palemoon So, palemoon should work on ascii.

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Le 30/03/2018 à 11:25, Hendrik Boom a écrit : On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 09:30:48AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:     Palemoon is also stuck with gcc-4.9. The documentation says that and discourages trying to build it with versions newer than GCC-5.3 AFAIR. I've built it on Jessie (without PA) and

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 09:30:48AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > >     Palemoon is also stuck with gcc-4.9. The documentation says that and > discourages trying to build it with versions newer than GCC-5.3 AFAIR. > I've built it on Jessie (without PA) and copied the binary to ASCII with > no

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Le 29/03/2018 à 17:42, Jaromil a écrit : palemoon is stuck at "version 27" series of Firefox and in any case its in the 2x series I doubt it can be brought up to 50 since the codebase is rather different. said that, I'm happy with palemoon, using always the latest stable release tagged on the

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 02:42:53AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 05:43:15PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/20/mozilla_firefox_test_of_privacy_mechanism_prompts_privacy_worries/ > > > > Mozilla sucks these days - they pay zero

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

I suspect if I tried building from palemoon sources, it might be easier to figure that out (I will try with your mozconfig some time). In any case Steve Pussers builds seem to work reliably and are regularly updated, which makes it easy. The issue I think is when you don't use dbus or pulse,

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

hi Chillfan, On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Chillfan wrote: > I agree that a fork is needed, but I think this would be a whole lot of work. yes. forks are a LOT of work. Even Devuan, which I'd say is a relatively easy fork, mostly needing work on the infrastructure and testing and documentation side,

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 06:32:44AM -0400, Chillfan wrote: > > A lot of times a forks fall short of taking care of everything, sometimes features are built but disabled by default (which is not much better than disabling it yourself). It's a lot better than having to disable the feature

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

I agree that a fork is needed, but I think this would be a whole lot of work. IMHO, it's not enough to just disable features by default or have good defaults. The fact they are there to begin with is a similar argument as with systemd - we don't want to install these features to begin with, and

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Support in filesystem varies: > * ext{2,3,4}, xfs, btrfs, reiserfs, f2fs, ..., do > * tmpfs doesn't > * vfat doesn't on Linux but (reportedly) does on Windows > * ntfs does > Usually you can mount -o nouser_xattr, which is wrongly documented as

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 02:42 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > More interesting is the timing between this addition and the DNC hack, where > the files are known to have been saved to an USB pen drive. This would > explain the weird inclusion of refer[r]er, which has no obvious legitimate > use but

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 05:43:15PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/20/mozilla_firefox_test_of_privacy_mechanism_prompts_privacy_worries/ > > Mozilla sucks these days - they pay zero attention to the issue of > browser fingerprinting and keep sending users

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

I have been using Waterfox of late which is *supposed* to be stripping that sort of nonsense out. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc

[DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/20/mozilla_firefox_test_of_privacy_mechanism_prompts_privacy_worries/ Time for a fork ala devuan. Cloudflare is a project of an intelligence agency - they are able to monitor most of the internet as it goes via their "protection" servers and they have