Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing

Scott On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 1:42 PM Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > > > [SAH] We might be disagreeing on the nature of experimentation, but I most > definitely provided examples of specific, measurable metrics that could be > used to evaluate an experiment: > > >

Re: [dns-privacy] Secdir early review of draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing-07

I pointed out to Mr Salz that Alajuela is the location of the author in question, not their employer. He apologizes for his lack of Geography. (or he should) tim On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 4:20 PM Rich Salz via Datatracker wrote: > Reviewer: Rich Salz > Review result: Has Nits > > The term

[dns-privacy] Fwd: NomCom 2023 Call for Volunteers

DNSOP/DPRIVE Martin Thompson is chairing this year's version of the IETF Nominating Committee. It's a good thing to volunteer, and I can speak strongly on the fact that 10+ years of volunteering, and I have not been selected(*). tim (8) Now that I've said that -- Forwarded message

Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing

Scott On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: dns-privacy On Behalf Of Paul > Hoffman > > Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 3:32 PM > > To: Tim Wicinski > > Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org > > Subject:

Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WGLC : draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing

Thanks Paul ! We've been following the gitlab updates and do like the updated version. Brian, we should change the datatracker to say "Waiting for WG Chairs go-ahead" (me bossing Brian around) tim On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 2:01 PM Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Apr 14, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Brian

Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] Intended Status for draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing

All As Brian and I have stated a few times, and Eric our AD has supported, the plan with this draft is once the authors are ready is to take it to WGLC, and then park it while we wait for implementations, and some signs of interoperability testing. Once we and the working group feel there has

[dns-privacy] Meeting at IETF116

All The chairs have been discussing and we are currently planning on NOT having a meeting at IETF116. If anyone has issues with this please take this up with the chairs. thanks Tim/Brian ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org

[dns-privacy] IETF NomCom: Selecting Leadership

All The NomCom is tasked with selecting the IETF leadership, like the IESG and the IAB. For the NomCom to be able to make an informed decision, they need feedback from the wider IETF community. Please, allocate some time to provide feedback on people that you interacted with the NomCom with

[dns-privacy] Fwd: dprive - Cancelling a meeting request for IETF 115

FYI We are not cancelling, but are doing another combined meeting with ADD. thanks tim -- Forwarded message - From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool Date: Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 6:12 PM Subject: dprive - Cancelling a meeting request for IETF 115 To: Cc: , , , <

Re: [dns-privacy] [core] WGA call for draft-lenders-dns-over-coap

DPRIVE is also a fine location. Has anyone implemented DNS over DTLS for your use case? tim On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 6:04 AM Jaime Jiménez wrote: > CCing the right DNSOP mailing list now. > > On 15.8.2022 11.26, Jaime Jiménez wrote: > > Dear CoRE WG, > > We would like to start the call for

[dns-privacy] Minutes from IETF114

not seem right. Perhaps by the London IETF there could be some unilateral probing experiments during the Hackathon. thanks tim Minutes: - DPRIVE WG 2022-07-26 Chairs: Tim Wicinski and Brian Haberman Notes here only cover comments at the mic, not from the slides Admin stuff and WG update

Re: [dns-privacy] dprive - Cancelling a meeting request for IETF 114

FYI The DPRIVE session isn't being cancelled, but we're sharing time with the folks in ADD. tim On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 5:00 PM IETF Meeting Session Request Tool < session-requ...@ietf.org> wrote: > > > A request to cancel a meeting session has just been submitted by Liz > Flynn, on behalf of

Re: [dns-privacy] DPRIVE WG action items

All Thanks for the reviews from folks. I just want to point out (and thank!) Paul Hoffman for taking the review comments and putting them in the gitlab issue tracker for the document https://gitlab.com/dkg/dprive-unilateral-probing/-/issues?sort=created_date=opened The bigger discussions will

[dns-privacy] NOTE Updated date and time of DPRIVE session at IETF113

All Please note the new date and time for DPRIVE * Date: Thursday 24 March 2022 * Time: 1430-1515 CEST (UTC+1) In preparing for this meeting we realized we would not need a full two hour session. In discussion with Eric our AD it was suggested we share the time slot with the ADD WG *for time

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-dkgjsal-dprive-unilateral-probing

All The Call for Adoption has ended and we thank folks for their feedback. We've adopted this work and will be part of the discussion at IETF113 tim On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 8:47 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-dkgjsal-dprive-unilatera

[dns-privacy] Call for Agenda Items - IETF113

All, IETF 113 is coming up. The chairs have requested a 2-hour slot for DPRIVE. Note that our meeting time is now Friday 25 March, 11:30-13:30 UTC. Since we have two adopted drafts, we've placed both of them on the agenda for discussion, along with an item to discuss where to take the

[dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-dkgjsal-dprive-unilateral-probing

This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-dkgjsal-dprive-unilateral-probing The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dkgjsal-dprive-unilateral-probing/ Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by DPRIVE, and comments to the list, clearly

Re: [dns-privacy] DPRIVE Agenda for IETF 112

cker.ietf.org/meeting/112/session/dprive) ### Chairs * Tim Wicinski [tjw.i...@gmail.com](tjw.i...@gmail.com) * Brian Haberman [br...@innovationslab.net](br...@innovationslab.net) ### Very Responsible Area Director * Eric Vyncke [evyn...@cisco.com](evyn...@cisco.com) # ## Agenda ### Administrivia *

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS queries over CoAP draft at CoRE WG

Jaime/Marco Thanks for the heads up! It looks like CoRE meets on Monday, and DNSOP meets on Thursday. So if you do get a request, please let us know and we'll mention it during the Chairs Slides. Also, I cc'ed the DPRIVE WG chairs (Brian Haberman, and some slacker named Tim), because that was

Re: [dns-privacy] DPRIVE WGLC : https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dprive-dnsoquic/

This is a good point Ben. I'll catch up with Brian and discuss, but I'd also like to hear from the working group and DNS-over-QUIC authors where they feel this should live. tim On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 4:49 PM Ben Schwartz wrote: > On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 2:51 PM Christian Huitema > wrote: >

Re: [dns-privacy] DPRIVE WGLC : https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dprive-dnsoquic/

Christian Thanks for bringing this up. I make it a point to follow/receive updates on all the repos of dprive documents, but I missed your repository. The chairs are advocates for using repositories like github for documents, as we feel they have positive effects. I believe the chairs have

[dns-privacy] WG strategy on opportunistic vs authenticated moving forward

All, The chairs have been watching the working group while we prepare for the upcoming meeting, and working through the proposals and arguments that keep coming up. We feel there is strong consensus to work on opportunistic encryption and that it may be beneficial to discuss possible

[dns-privacy] Fwd: New draft-ietf-dprive-unauth-to-authoritative and draft-pp-dprive-common-features

All The authors took the advice from the working group and extracted the more common features into a separate document. The chairs would like the working group to give some comments, as we feel a document like this should be considered for adoption.

Re: [dns-privacy] Next steps for draft-rescorla-dprive-adox

To Paul's point, this is the ICANN Base Registry Agreement listing the permitted "TLD Zone Contents". https://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/agreements/agreement-approved-31jul17-en.html#exhibitA.1 This is only for gTLDs that have signed this agreement. The ccTLDs generally have their

[dns-privacy] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-dprive-xfr-over-tls-07

Tim Wicinski has requested publication of draft-ietf-dprive-xfr-over-tls-07 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the DPRIVE working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dprive-xfr-over-tls/ ___ dns

Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] IETF 110 DPRIVE Agenda

Paul Not an unreasonable idea. We'll bump the Oblivious DNS Over HTTPS talk up, and the Authoritative Encryption Discussion to the last part of the meeting. tim On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 4:12 PM Paul Hoffman wrote: > Given that "Signaling Authoritative DNS Encryption" is very much related >

Re: [dns-privacy] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dprive-xfr-over-tls-06.txt

Thanks Sara Folks should take a look at the changes, and those who raised issues can ensure these updates have addressed everything. thanks tim On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 11:41 AM Sara Dickinson wrote: > Hi All, > > This update should address the comments made during WGLC: > > * Update text

Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] WG Call for Adoption: draft-pp-recursive-authoritative-opportunistic

I believe when Brian sent the call out, he did say "The focus of the call is the protocol defined in the draft." The details do need to be fleshed out, but the chairs felt the working group saw this as a starting point. Also, as it was pointed out, the chairs have not seen any proposals involving

[dns-privacy] Minutes from Interim uploaded

All I uploaded the minutes taken from the interim into the datatracker. You can find it here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-interim-2021-dprive-01-202101271800/ I want to thank everyone who went behind me and cleaned up my comments. It saved me from listening to the recording. If

[dns-privacy] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dprive-xfr-over-tls

All The authors on the xfr-over-tls draft have published an update to their document and feel they have addressed all issues. This starts a Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dprive-xfr-over-tls Current versions of the draft is available here:

Re: [dns-privacy] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with COMMENT)

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 11:04 PM Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > > >Today, almost all DNS queries are sent over UDP [thomas-ditl-tcp]. > > > > > > It looks like > > > ( > > > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dns-privacy/1pZL1FA57hzE1e09mQ2HMg2aWYY/ > > > ) > > > Sara was going to follow up

Re: [dns-privacy] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Alissa, On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 9:43 PM Alissa Cooper via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses

Re: [dns-privacy] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with COMMENT)

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 12:16 AM Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses

Re: [dns-privacy] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with COMMENT)

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:44 AM Roman Danyliw via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses

Re: [dns-privacy] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with COMMENT)

Rob You are not the only person to request the summary of changes. It's a fine idea and we'll pull something together. tim On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 1:29 AM Rob Sayre wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:23 PM Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > >> Perhaps "search" was not the best word to use >> > > I

Re: [dns-privacy] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with COMMENT)

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 2:23 AM Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > Murray Kucherawy has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses

Re: [dns-privacy] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with COMMENT)

Rob On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 8:40 AM Robert Wilton via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > Robert Wilton has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses

Re: [dns-privacy] Erik Kline's Yes on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with COMMENT)

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 2:04 AM Erik Kline via Datatracker wrote: > Erik Kline has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: Yes > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel

Re: [dns-privacy] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Warren There are many ways in which supposed "private" resources currently leak. A few examples are DNSSEC NSEC zone walking; passive-DNS services; etc. with the references added in. and changing the section title tim On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:16 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > On Wed,

Re: [dns-privacy] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Warren On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 4:40 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:29 PM Brian Haberman > wrote: > > > > Hi Warren, > > Thanks for the feedback. I have a couple of responses (as document > > shepherd) inline... > > > > On 10/5/20 5:42 PM, Warren Kumari via Datatracker

Re: [dns-privacy] Possible use case: Opportunistic encryption for recursive to authoritative

(speaking not as a chair) I think this is worth doing. tim On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 3:45 PM John R. Levine wrote: > Yes, this is worth doing. Agree with comments that it has to be > compatible with non-opportunistic encryption. > > R's, > John > > PS: RFC 7435. > > > Greetings again. The

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-ghedini-dprive-early-data

> Best, > Chris > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, at 2:42 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > > I support adoption. There's work to be done on it, but > > it's a good start and should be a useful document. > > > > S. > > > > On 08/04/2020 18:27, Tim Wic

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-huitema-dprive-dnsoquic

All The call for adoption has ended and strong consensus to adopt. Thanks for all the feedback. tim On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:18 AM Benno Overeinder wrote: > I support the adoption of the draft and I am willing to contribute/review. > > -- Benno > > > On 08/04/2020 18:41,

[dns-privacy] DPRIVE Interim 2020-01 Minutes, Actions

All Brian and I thank all for attending the DPRIVE interim yesterday, and we want to thank Eric our AD for helping out with slides at the last minute. I've uploaded the minutes which were in the Etherpad (Thanks Benno!)

[dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-ghedini-dprive-early-data

This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-ghedini-dprive-early-data The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ghedini-dprive-early-data/ Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by DPRIVE, and comments to the list, clearly stating your

[dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-huitema-dprive-dnsoquic

This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-huitema-dprive-dnsoquic The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-huitema-dprive-dnsoquic/ Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by DPRIVE, and comments to the list, clearly stating your view.

[dns-privacy] DPRIVE Interim Meeting 8 April 2020 16:00-17:30 UTC

All, Here’s some more information and preparation material for DPRIVE WG Virtual meeting: Date: Wednesday April 8th, 2020 Time: 16:00-17:30 (UTC) Location: WebEx https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m88e3d0d091544ea59c79eb5e610a115a Jabber: xmpp:dpr...@jabber.ietf.org?join

Re: [dns-privacy] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC7858 (5375)

I agree with Patrick's comment that the folks from DNScrypt should be the ones giving us the guidance here. Tim (wearing the hat today, so Warren doesn't have to) On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:01 PM Patrick Mevzek wrote: > On 23/12/2019 12:54, Warren Kumari wrote: > > > W > > p.s: if it were mine,

[dns-privacy] Draft Minutes from IETF106 meeting

DPRIVE WG IETF 106, Singapore Chairs: Tim Wicinski, Brian Haberman (remote) Minutes taken by Paul Hoffman Text from slides not given here Admiistrivia Adaptive DNS: Improving Privacy of Name Resolution draft-pauly-dprive-adaptive-dns-privacy Tommy Pauly Tim: Which list for discussion

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls

Hi The call for adoption for this document has finished and we've received consensus on adopting this work. On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:24 AM Robert Edmonds wrote: > Tim Wicinski wrote: > > This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls > > > > The dr

[dns-privacy] Tentative agenda for DPRIVE IETF 106

to be there remotely. We will need minute takers and jabber scribes. Thanks Tim/Brian # DNS Privacy Exchange (DPRIVE) WG ## IETF 106, Singapore * Date: 22 November 2019 * Time: 1000-1200 SST 1500-1700 UTC * Room: Collyer * Chair: Tim Wicinski * Chair: Brian Haberman * Very Responsible Area Director

[dns-privacy] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dprive-bcp-op

The working group has given lots of feedback on this and the authors have worked to address all these concerns. The last larger item was discussed and resolved during our interim. We want to run a 1 Week WGLC to confirm all outstanding items have been resolved. This starts a Second Working

Re: [dns-privacy] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dprive-bcp-op-05.txt

Thanks Stephen (Follow up on this in another email) On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 9:16 AM Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > On 31/10/2019 13:12, Sara Dickinson wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Following the DPRIVE interim meeting earlier this week I’ve done an > > update to the draft with two main

[dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls

This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hzpa-dprive-xfr-over-tls/ Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by DPRIVE, and comments to the list, clearly stating your

[dns-privacy] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dprive-bcp-op

This starts a Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dprive-bcp-op Current versions of the draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dprive-bcp-op/ The Current Intended Status of this document is: Best Current Practices Please review the draft and offer relevant

[dns-privacy] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis

This starts a Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis Current versions of the draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dprive-rfc7626-bis/ The Current Intended Status of this document is: Informational Please review the draft and offer relevant

[dns-privacy] Draft Minutes from DPRIVE IETF104

All Here are the draft minutes from this morning's meeting. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/minutes-104-dprive-00 Please drop a note to the chairs or the list with any updates, comments, etc. Tim ___ dns-privacy mailing list

Re: [dns-privacy] DNS PRIVate Exchange (dprive) WG Virtual Meeting: 2018-12-10

I see dialing info of 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 640 873 331 I am digging up alternative numbers. On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:18 AM Henderson, Karl wrote: > Is there a dial-in number for the dprive webex meeting today? >

[dns-privacy] Rough Agenda for IETF103

00 IST * Room: Meeting 1 * Chair: Tim Wicinski * Chair: Brian Haberman * IESG Overlord: Terry Manderson * [DataTracker](https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/dprive/documents/) --- ## Agenda ### Administrivia * Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc, 10 min ### Step 2 Discussion * User Persp

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-dickinson-dprive-bcp-op

All Thanks for the feedback -the call for adoption has ended and we have solid consensus to adopt and work on this document. The chairs will work with the authors to upload an updated version. On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:24 AM, Matthijs Mekking wrote: > > > On 07/18/2018 08:33 PM, Jim Reid

Re: [dns-privacy] Resolver to authoritative discussion guidance

OK, I'll chat with Brian since he's in charge of sending those emails for now, and go there. Tim On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:43 PM, Jim Reid wrote: > On 19 Jul 2018, at 21:17, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > > For example, Verisign has .com which is quite large. My Employe

Re: [dns-privacy] Resolver to authoritative discussion guidance

this is incorrect, we'd like to hear that. Tim On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Jim Reid wrote: > On 19 Jul 2018, at 19:30, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > > For the time being, we would like to bypass the TLD server operator > > perspective. While we are in this phase of discuss

Re: [dns-privacy] Resolver to authoritative discussion guidance

Also If you feel the chairs are missing some aspect of this, please speak up and let's make sure those are covered. thanks Tim On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Brian Haberman wrote: > All, > The chairs would like to get the WG discussion started on exploring > privacy solutions for

[dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-dickinson-dprive-bcp-op

This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-dickinson-dprive-bcp-op The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dickinson-dprive-bcp-op/ Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by DPRIVE, and comments to the list, clearly stating your view.

[dns-privacy] IETF102 Agenda

## IETF 102, Montreal * Date: Wednesday, 18 July 2017 * Time: 13:30-15:00 CEST * Room: Place du Canada * Chair: Tim Wicinski * Chair: Brian Haberman * IESG Overlord: Terry Manderson * [DataTracker](https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/dprive/documents/) --- ## Agenda ### Administrivia

[dns-privacy] IETF101 Call for Agenda Requests

All The preliminary agenda for IETF101 was released: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/agenda.html DPRIVE is slated for Wednesday 21 March, 2018  in the first afternoon slot (13:30-15:00) This is a call for requests for agenda topics. Additionally, we have been discussing a DPRIVE

[dns-privacy] Draft Minutes from DPRIVE,

Exchange (DPRIVE) WG IETF 99, Prague Tuesday, 18 July 2017, 09:30-12:00 CEST Chairs: Tim Wicinski and Brian Haberman Minutes taken by Paul Hoffman Text from the slides is not reproduced here draft-ietf-dprive-dtls-and-tls-profiles Give it a Review! People need to review

[dns-privacy] Administrative: Minute Takers, Jabber Scribe and

All Putting out a call for folks to take minutes at DPRIVE Tuesday Morning, as well as Jabber Scribe. If you can please drop the chairs a note. Also, if you are presenting, we would like to see slides by Tomorrow afternoon. Thanks and see you all Tuesday Morning bright and early tim

Re: [dns-privacy] Padding policies draft

On 6/28/17 12:01 PM, Sara Dickinson wrote: On 13 Jun 2017, at 08:37, Shane Kerr > wrote: Alexander and all, tl;dr Lets move forward with our best guesses now. dkg's recommendations seem good, but maybe we can tweak these

[dns-privacy] Thanks for input on padding-profile draft....now can we talk TLS Profiles?

All We are grateful for the feedback on edns-padding-profile document, The Chairs would like to get some more comments on the TLS Profiles draft, found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dprive-dtls-and-tls-profiles/ There was some good discussion during the meeting in

Re: [dns-privacy] Draft minutes form IETF97

The most excellent summary Sara said at the mic was "Hard Fail is Toast". Also, Paul's memory is correct - Leave Fallback alone. tim On 11/25/16 3:58 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: On 25 Nov 2016, at 11:38, Warren Kumari wrote: Hi all, I have uploaded draft minutes from the DPRIVE meeting in

[dns-privacy] Working Group Last Call draft-ietf-dprive-dtls-and-tls-profile

All, This document has been in holding pattern while the dns-over-dtls document was addressed and moved forward. Also, the authors were waiting to hear from one straggler author (dkg, the secure courtesy phone please). The chairs feel we will use the WGLC as a forcing function the latter

Re: [dns-privacy] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dprive-dnsodtls.

On 8/31/16 1:54 AM, Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) wrote: Hi Allison, Thanks for the review. Please see inline [TR] *From:*Allison Mankin [mailto:allison.man...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:36 AM *To:* Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) *Cc:* Warren Kumari

Re: [dns-privacy] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dprive-dtls-and-tls-profiles-03.txt

All, I know everyone wants to work on the Next Thing, but we'd like to get some reviews of this draft. The chairs are hoping to have this in WGLC before the next meeting. thanks tim On 7/8/16 6:37 PM, Sara Dickinson wrote: Hi All, This is a minor update which adds some additional text

Re: [dns-privacy] DPRIVe Agenda requests for Berlin

, Tim Wicinski wrote: All Since the last meeting, the DNS over TLS draft has been published as RFC7858. The drafts on DNS over DTLS and the Profiles drafts received feedback during the last meeting and we are awaiting updates. The chairs have requested a slot for the upcoming Berlin meeting

[dns-privacy] DNS + 0-RTT

As many of you are aware, with the TLS1.3 spec, there is some security concerns around DNS+TLS1.3 0-RTT. dkg put together some threat models and instead of forwarding some long thread, I figure I would put this out there and let Mr. Gilmor lay out his theories. Daniel, you're it. tim

[dns-privacy] Jabber Scribes and note takes for DPRIVE

All We don't have a long agenda, but we could use a jabber scribe(s) and note takes for DPRIVE Wednesday morning @10am. Please drop us a note if you are able to assist and we would be grateful thanks tim ___ dns-privacy mailing list

Re: [dns-privacy] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on draft-ietf-dprive-edns0-padding-02: (with COMMENT)

Shane's explanation on padding is a great summary of the mailing list discussion during the document review. tim (as DocumentShepherd) On 3/1/16 5:39 AM, Shane Kerr wrote: Spencer, At 2016-02-29 20:38:34 -0800 "Spencer Dawkins" wrote: Thanks for producing

[dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-dgr-dprive-dtls-and-tls-profiles

to contribute text, review, etc. This call for adoption ends 26 January 2016 Thanks, tim wicinski DPRIVE co-chair ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy

[dns-privacy] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dprive-edns0-padding

This starts a Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dprive-edns0-padding Current versions of the draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dprive-edns0-padding/ Please review the draft and offer relevant comments. Also, if someone feels the document is

Re: [dns-privacy] Non-zero padding (was EDNS0 padding with non-0 MUST respond with FORMERR?)

Alex Why don't you propose some text, as we have a bandwidth delay product with you. thanks tim On 11/17/15 5:30 PM, Alex Mayrhofer wrote: Hello, Jumping into this thread late, sorry. Anyways, my proposal: - I think we should stick with requiring 0x00 padding (I am avoiding the term

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-mayrhofer-edns0-padding

Hi The Call for Adoption ended and we have strong consensus to adopt the document. The document is also very close to WGLC, once the padding discussion has been sussed out. Thank you all for your comments and reviews. tim On 11/3/15 7:54 AM, Tim Wicinski wrote: During the meeting

Re: [dns-privacy] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dprive-dns-over-tls-01

All, The WGLC has finished, and it appears to be rough consensus on moving forward. I want to touch base with my co-chair and AD on one issue, but I will work on the Shepherd write up over the next few days and submit it into the pipeline. I plan on mentioning the issues raised about

Re: [dns-privacy] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dprive-dns-over-tls-01

On 11/13/15 8:22 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: Just to be clear: do the chairs read the rough consensus to be that the draft needs to remove Sections 3.2 and all of Section 4, and move them to a new document? --Paul Hoffman Yes, I do (once I remembered). I am circling back with the others,

Re: [dns-privacy] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dprive-dns-over-tls-01

(as chair) I don't see the point in holding up this document for the other DTLS document(s). Using the "running code" practice, there is code out here which supports dns-over-tls. The authors of dns-over-dtls do not have a plan to implement any solutions at this time. However, as chair,

[dns-privacy] Fwd: [IANA #878759] General Request for Assignment (dns-parameters - draft-mayrhofer-edns0-padding)

Nov 03 08:10:21 2015, tjw.i...@gmail.com wrote: > > Contact Name: > Tim Wicinski > > Contact Email: > tjw.i...@gmail.com > > Type of Assignment: > New EDNS EDNS0 Option Codes (OPT) > > > Registry: > http://www.iana.org/assignments/dns-parameters/dns-

[dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-mayrhofer-edns0-padding

stating your view. Please also indicate if you are willing to contribute text, review, etc. This call for adoption ends 17 November, 2015 12:00 UTC Thanks, tim wicinski ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman

Re: [dns-privacy] draft-am-dprive-eval-02

(no hats) With this new version, I think the document is useful and provides a solid discussion of how to quantify privacy mechanisms for a DNS implementer who is not a security subject matter expert. tim On 11/2/15 6:22 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Despite my comments against the hum at the

[dns-privacy] Minute Takers and Jabber Scribers

Hi We're looking for Jabber Scribes and Minute takers for the DPRIVE meeting monday afternoon. Drop us a note if you're able to help. thanks tim ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy

Re: [dns-privacy] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dprive-dns-over-tls-01

Bob https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dprive-dns-over-tls/ is a working URL thanks for pointing that out tim On 10/22/15 6:59 PM, Bob Harold wrote: On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 5:23 AM, Warren Kumari > wrote: Dear DPRIVE WG, The

[dns-privacy] Draft WG Agenda Published

) Meeting:IETF 93, Prague Location: Hilton Prague, Karlin I/II Date: 24 July 2015 Time: 09:00-11:30 CEST Chairs: Warren Kumari Tim Wicinski - Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc (10 min) - Working

[dns-privacy] Last Call for Agenda Time for Prague

The deadline for submitting agenda items is July 5th. If you have any last minute items to put on the agenda, please let us know. thanks tim ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy

[dns-privacy] Fwd: IETF 93 Preliminary Agenda

All The draft IETF agenda has been published, and it has DPRIVE with a Friday Morning slot for 2.5 hours. Now, Warren and I requested a 1.5 hour slot, but since there were more requests for slots, we can only assume they made the best of the situation. Please do take as a sign for an hour

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoptions on the 3 documents.

On 4/23/15 7:11 AM, Ilari Liusvaara wrote: Also, it occurs to me that if there is NAT with non-sticky behaviour with UDP DNS (UDP DNS might very well be special-cased), things are not going to work at all without channel identifier (because the ports change constantly). Dunno if such

Re: [dns-privacy] Draft minutes posted.

I've updated the minutes with the changes submitted and pushed them to up. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/minutes/minutes-92-dprive tim On 4/3/15 11:40 AM, Tim Wicinski wrote: There are here: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/minutes/minutes-92-dprive tim On 4/3/15 11:24 PM

Re: [dns-privacy] Draft minutes posted.

There are here: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/minutes/minutes-92-dprive tim On 4/3/15 11:24 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 06:11:19PM -0400, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote a message of 20 lines which said: Draft minutes for DPRIVE have been posted.

Re: [dns-privacy] Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dprive-problem-statement - please review.

I agree with Warren that there is solid consensus. tim (I'm traveling as well the next two weeks, working with a slight delay) On 3/9/15 2:18 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: Oh, I should mention that I'm at IEEE in Berlin at the moment, and so I haven't confirmed this call with my co-chair. It's

Re: [dns-privacy] (re-)identifying from sets of queries (was Re: Start of WGLC for draft-ietf-dprive-problem-statement - please review.)

On 2/27/15 10:46 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:38:53AM -0500, Phillip Hallam-Baker i...@hallambaker.com wrote a message of 78 lines which said: BTW are we planning to IETF last call this doc and publish as an RFC or is this internal only? The charter is

Re: [dns-privacy] DPRIVE next steps

On 11/24/14 5:26 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: On 11/24/14 1:05 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: I did not say a requirements document. I said the Problem Statement, and evaluation metrics. Neither are requirements. I've been concerned about the proliferation of problem statement documents (and use case

[dns-privacy] DPRIVE next steps

(I was waiting to confirm the wording with Warren, but I failed to remember he was away last week). Coming out of IETF91, we saw good discussion around the problem statement; the beginnings of a discussion around evaluation metrics; and several different solutions searching for the

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