Bob - W0GI wrote:
I realize that many run CW without a computer, and it may be an unfair
advantage, but then so is an antenna up 100ft with a 1500W amp competing
against a poor ham with a dipole and 100W.
The hams with the megabucks have the advantage no matter what. :)
There's the
, February 20, 2010 8:00 AM
To: Bob - W0GI
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Bob - W0GI wrote:
I realize that many run CW without a computer, and it may
be an unfair
advantage, but then so is an antenna up 100ft with a 1500W amp
competing
Since Skimmer is nothing more than a more accurate and visual
form of Telnet or Packet cluster those using it should submit logs in
the assisted category just like those who use the DX clusters now
are required to do.
--
R. Kevin Stover
ACØH
The assisted categories were created to
Listening to CW in SSB mode certainly works to give you a wider window
but is inconvenient if you want to use CW functions like SPOT, PITCH,
CWT, which aren't available while listening in SSB mode, and trying to
keep in mind which mode you have selected at any given time...
Is there some reason
Maybe a new class to enter?
Single Op, Assisted, and Luddites.
I'd be in the later.
73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR K2TKR
On 2/20/2010 10:12 AM, k...@optimum.net wrote:
Since Skimmer is nothing more than a more accurate and visual
form of Telnet or Packet cluster those using it should submit logs
-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of R. Kevin Stover
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 8:00 AM
To: Bob - W0GI
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Bob - W0GI wrote:
I realize that many
Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote:
To call skimmer assisted is a farce. It completely twists the
definition of assisted which used to mean - assistance by another
person in making a QSO - and ignores more than 40 years in which
technology has replaced things often done by a second operator.
- Original Message -
From: Julian, G4ILO
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:24 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote:
To call skimmer assisted is a farce. It completely twists
the definition of assisted which
To: Bob - W0GI
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Bob - W0GI wrote:
I realize that many run CW without a computer, and it may
be an unfair
advantage, but then so is an antenna up 100ft with a 1500W amp
competing against a poor ham with a dipole
Guys,
Let's end all Skimmer pro-con arguments -now- before this gets out of hand.
Any discussion of CW Skimmer's applicability for contesting is OT for this
list. Best to discuss on the contesting forums or by direct email.
Eric WA6HHQ
List Moderator
_..._
k...@optimum.net wrote:
Since
.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
-Original Message-
From: R. Kevin Stover [mailto:rksto...@mchsi.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:10 AM
To: Joe Subich, W4TV
Cc: 'Bob - W0GI'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
So the sponsoring
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Julian, G4ILO
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:24 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote:
To call skimmer assisted is a farce. It completely twists
Brian Alsop wrote:
Why don't we encourage the use of new technology rather than trying to
still hold the Olympics in the nude with sticks and stones as the
technology?
For exactly the same reasons that we recognise running, cycling, horse
riding and motor racing as completely separate
I'm sure it could be done, and I'm sure the programmer who wrote it could
justifiably feel satisfaction at the results he got, because for sure he
would have put a lot of effort into creating it. The question is whether
those who simply downloaded his program and used it would have their
Although I operate almost entirely in CW my bandpass is typically set
wide open. However, this is effectively only about 2 KHz max, which is
not nearly wide enough when you want to hear what is going on around
you on the band.
I concur with this statement. I am used to using my ears as a
Julian,
PMFJI (Pardon me for jumping in): I think, more accurately, the
analogy might be the difference between a hook-and-line fisherman and
someone trolling with a net and crane. Except the net and crane still
have human interaction... {'-)
Regards,
kurtt
Kurt Pawlikowski,
Then listen in SSB mode.
If you use the following, it's easy enough to change mode to CW if you hear
something interesting:
* AUTOMATIC CW VFO OFFSET ON MODE CHANGE: Allows
switching
quickly between SSB and CW mode without either
you or the other station
having to re-tune the VFO (often
, W4TV
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian
White GM3SEK
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 3:11 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Brian Alsop wrote
Further to Julian's others' comments about CW Skimmer removing the
need to tune the band,
a skilled part of the operating experience which is enjoyable to many
[but not all!] of us:
My friend is hot to write a software layer which will sit on top of CW
Skimmer and which will
win contests
Eric wrote:
Will we outlaw it, like ARRL may or may not do with CW Skimmer?
For the 2009 California QSO party, you were not allowed to claim Single
Operator (SO) status if you used CW Skimmer.
It is considered outside assistance that gives the operator an unfair
advantage.
I agree, except
Will somebody explain to me how it is outside assistance any more than
a big antenna farm or a smart radio? No person is providing
help--unlike packet cluster.
RTTY and PSK contests all use the same kind of outside assistance. Yet
they are allowed to enter as single op. Perhaps people need to
Brian
Are you implying that some of us operate contest while nude? Discusting!
Steve
N4LQ
- Original Message -
From: Brian Alsop als...@nc.rr.com
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Will somebody explain
I have to assume that the folks that don't like the idea of CW Skimmer have
never done any psk-31.
For some reason, using SuperBrowser for PSK is ok, but Skimmer is not?
It doesn't make any sense at all, at least in general.
CW Skimmer gives us the capability to see multiple stations on the
? Discusting!
Steve
N4LQ
- Original Message -
From: Brian Alsop als...@nc.rr.com
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Will somebody explain to me how it is outside assistance any more than
a big antenna
,
... Joe, W4TV
-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Merv Schweigert
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:21 PM
To: Steve Ellington
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Bob - W0GI wrote:
After feeding the K3 IF through LP-Pan, then to PowerSDR-IF and CW
Skimmer, you don't have to convince me.
...
My favorite is CW Skimmer. With the Audio IF setting at -4174, I click
on a text of a signal, and it tunes the K3 to zero beat on that frequency.
Ready
I'm not anit-scope; just don't think I can justify the cost based
upon my casual operating style. Certainly I would like to have one to
play around with, I just don't want to pay for it...
For the scenarios you listed below I think a non-scope K3 could be
much improved if it had a wider bandpass
I'd be more impressed if it made a hole on 20M on Saturday during CQWWDX
Steve :jumping:
Scopes are nice tools, but must have is open to debate. Part of the fun of
radio is tuning across the band and finding something on your own, before
it's spotted...
A better question, from my perspective,
Also note that the P3 provides a buffered K3 If feedthrough to drive
other PC apps like Skimmer, PowerSDR etc.
73, Eric WA6HHQ
On 2/16/2010 6:40 PM, Ken Alexander wrote:
I suspect the toy factor will be responsible for the majority of P3
purchases! 8-)
73,
Ken Alexander
VE3HLS
I actually like sending with the paddles, but using the VFO knob isn't that
exciting. If I see a CQ on CW Skimmer, I can click on the text, and it tunes
the K3 zero beat on that signal. Or I can turn the vfo knob then spot the
signal, using up time for no purpose. Why not use a tuning aid?
I
Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
Also note that the P3 provides a buffered K3 If feedthrough to drive
other PC apps like Skimmer, PowerSDR etc.
But you would still need a SoftRock, LP-Pan or whatever to make sense of it.
Pity it doesn't provide an I/Q output, then you would just need
It would be great if the P3 provided I/Q output's as well.
Perhaps some knockout plugs on the back chassis panel would allow
various output jacks and facilitate lots of user customizations.
Eliminating the duplication of the same via separate hardware connected
to the buffered IF output would
Bob - W0GI wrote:
I actually like sending with the paddles, but using the VFO knob isn't
that exciting. If I see a CQ on CW Skimmer, I can click on the text, and
it tunes the K3 zero beat on that signal. Or I can turn the vfo knob then
spot the signal, using up time for no purpose. Why
Wouldn't it be better just to get the digital stream that is sampled from
the I/Q signals. That way, the ADC is done just once. Then, your computer
can take the binary stream (new interface needed I guess) from the
P3 and then do what it wants with various digital filters and other F/X.
On
Eric,
That's good but two questions...
1) If you purchase a P3, do you also have to purchase a KXV3A or will
one be included?
2) In addition to the buffered K3 IF feedthrough, will the inphase (I)
and quadrature (Q) audio components of the downshifted IF be provided as
an additional output
It was pointed out to me that, as a tool, a P3/Panadapter/Softrock does
provide a quick way of assessing activity on a given band quickly versus
twirling the knob.
I can see where this would be useful, particularly if you were looking for
openings on 10 and 15, in the past few years. Too, you
...@elecraft.com
To: Ken Alexander k.alexan...@rogers.com,
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:59:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Also note that the P3 provides a buffered K3 If feedthrough to drive
other PC apps like Skimmer, PowerSDR etc.
73, Eric WA6HHQ
Er, I thought that was kind of the point of it all. To find and work stations
with just your radio using your basic operating skills (i.e. listening) is
part of the overall enjoyment?
Try it sometime - I.e. turn on your 400 or even 200hz CW filter and start at
the very bottom of the band. Start
your K3 will need to have the KXV3 or KXV3a for IF output. Its not
included with the P3 since most K3s already have added it.
I/Q is not available as an output. That would seriously delay the P3
release and add to our cost. Its not a trivial add since its only
derived internally in the DSPPIC
Er, I thought that was kind of the point of it all. To find and work
stations with just your radio using your basic operating skills (i.e.
listening) is part of the overall enjoyment?
I like CW Skimmer, but for very weak signals, your ears work better. These
debates usually become PC vs No PC.
Well I'm mac-only at home so I can't use a lot of the cool stuff like that hi
hi. But seriously, I can definitely see how a scope or etc. can be useful
for, say, contesting.
And I didn't mean to take away from visual innovations like this for amateur
radio. I'm kind of a CW shellback, but that
Can't we go back to spark as Telsa, Marconi, and God intended it to be?
73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (circa 1956) K2TKR
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Can't we go back to spark as Telsa, Marconi, and God intended it to be?
I can visualize the poster: A stormy sky with lots of lighting ... and
the caption God uses spark
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Julius wrote:
It was pointed out to me that, as a tool, a P3/Panadapter/Softrock does
provide a quick way of assessing activity on a given band quickly versus
twirling the knob.
I can see where this would be useful, particularly if you were looking for
openings on 10 and 15, in the past few
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 06:26:26AM -0800 I heard the voice of
Julius Fazekas n2wn, and lo! it spake thus:
Part of the fun of radio is tuning across the band and finding
something on your own, before it's spotted...
These sort of statements always make me twitch. All of (not just part
of) the
:clap:
ROTFLMAO
Well put Matthew! (Matthew 7:12 I suspect?)
I should have qualified my statement with for me. Wording is an important
part of communicating an idea. I did not mean to pontificate.
Cheers,
Julius
-
Julius Fazekas
N2WN
Tennessee Contest Group
And just what was that???
Dave W7AQK
- Original Message -
From: Bob k...@att.net
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Can't we go back to spark as Telsa, Marconi, and God intended
Hi Eric,
Good to know, I will order one when we will be able to place the on-line order
for the P3.
73's
Philippe A65BI
K3#3616
*Elecraft, by Hams, for Hams...What else ?
Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft e...@elecraft.com 17-02-2010 22:05
your K3 will need to have the KXV3 or KXV3a for IF
How did we ever find each other before all of this computer stuff?
I mean I had only 250 or so countries confirmed using paper and pencil logs and
the only computer I was familiar with was an HP9000 series at work running HP
Basic (with 250K of RAM!).
--- On Tue, 2/16/10, Steve Ellington
are? Do you want
to catch ALL the fish? Or do you just want to go fishing?
Kevin. KD5ONS
-Original Message-
From: Wes Stewart n...@yahoo.com
Sent: Feb 16, 2010 5:13 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
Oh my goodness!
What are we talking here for a P3, somewhere around $700? I'm supposed to
spend that kind of money to find people on 40 metres in the early afternoon?
It's cheaper to tune through the band with a wide filter selected. And if I
miss someone, good heavens, is it really the end
After feeding the K3 IF through LP-Pan, then to PowerSDR-IF and CW Skimmer,
you don't have to convince me.
As a matter of fact, I am pretty blown away by how everything goes together
so well. With LP-Bridge running the K3 RS232 management, I don't even have
to worry about shutting one program
I have gotten totally hooked on my LP Pan and CW Skimmer. I can't
imagine operating without them.
Craig Buck
On Feb 16, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Ken Alexander k.alexan...@rogers.com
wrote:
Oh my goodness!
What are we talking here for a P3, somewhere around $700? I'm
supposed to spend that
How did we ever find each other before all of this computer stuff?
You don't need it at all, but it is nice. I am tuned on 40 right now, and
just brought up the callsign screen on CW Skimmer. I have a list of 30
callsigns that are in CW QSOs right now. It would take a while to do that by
On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:35 PM, Ken Alexander wrote:
Oh my goodness!
What are we talking here for a P3, somewhere around $700? I'm supposed to
spend that kind of money to find people on 40 metres in the early afternoon?
It's cheaper to tune through the band with a wide filter selected.
I suspect the toy factor will be responsible for the majority of P3 purchases!
8-)
73,
Ken Alexander
VE3HLS
--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Phil Hystad k7...@comcast.net wrote:
I think you might be overlooking the toy factor of owning
the P3. I think it is a cool and neat toy so I am
buying one.
So this whole Scopes thing has nothing to do with monkeys and evolution?
Kevin.
-Original Message-
From: Ken Alexander k.alexan...@rogers.com
Sent: Feb 16, 2010 6:40 PM
To: Phil Hystad k7...@comcast.net
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
I
-
From: Ken Alexander k.alexan...@rogers.com
Sent: Feb 16, 2010 6:40 PM
To: Phil Hystad k7...@comcast.net
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] For you Anti-Scopes
I suspect the toy factor will be responsible for the majority of P3
purchases! 8-)
73,
Ken Alexander
Halicrafters
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The humor Bob is not in radio, There is a book called To Inherit The Wind,
its is about the Scopes ( if sp correct ) Monkey trails. About teaching
Evolution in public schools.
N6XVT
On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Bob - W0GI wrote:
Halicrafters
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