Re: [Elecraft] Comparisons K3S/KX3/K2 etc?

2015-09-03 Thread Phil Wheeler
As a follow up it's interesting to speculate where this Icom-7300 would end up on the Sherwood chart. And how would it prevail in a strong-signal environment, like Field Day or an urban area like the one I'm in? Based on what I've seen it will be OK for casual operating and SDR "dabbling",

Re: [Elecraft] Comparisons K3S/KX3/K2 etc?

2015-09-03 Thread Phil Wheeler
All three are on this Rob Sherwood chart, Curt: http://www.sherweng.com/table.html 73, Phil W7OX On 9/3/15 6:19 AM, Curt wrote: I hadn't been paying too much attention, guess the K3 has been replaced by the K3S. Owning a K2/100, am thinking about an "upgrade". Is there a simple chart

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Richard Solomon
When did this morph into the ICOM reflector ?? Did I not get the memo ??? 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 9/3/2015 7:25 AM, brian wrote: It is may be time to rethink the display. The functionality added through the years has resulted in display of certain settings is pretty obscure (e.g. flashing decimal

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Jerry Moore
Since we're adding our $0.02 I'll add mine as a "soon to be K3S owner". 1. Simple and efficient interface was part of my decision. 2. Although the rig lacks band switches, it has function buttons that support limited macro's to set band/mode/other which fits 99.99% needs for anyone who will RTFM

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Phil Wheeler
Re my statement "zero info on performance": Has anyone sorted out performance data from the charts here: http://www.icomamerica.com/en/products/amateur/hf/7300/default.aspx or in the pdf file linked here: http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/DownloadDetails.aspx?Document=746 It's

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread bs usb
I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them to it with the FT-991. I have not found any performance tests on either one of these radios. I might have to buy one and test it myself. __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Phil Hystad
> Personally I'm surrounded and use fancy tech all day long. When it's time to > get on the air I want simple, straight up, and reliable. DITTO! 73, phil, K7PEH > On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Jerry Moore wrote: > > Since we're adding our $0.02 I'll add mine as a "soon

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Chris Hallinan
I'll add my $0.02. I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons John mentions. However, I would surely welcome a more modern color screen on my K3. Maybe even a few programmable touch buttons in a similar fashion to the buttons across the bottom of the P3. Hey, we all bought into

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Henry Pollock - K4TMC
Sherwood Engineering test data is available at http://www.sherweng.com/table.html. The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It is way down the list! 73, Henry - K4TMC On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM, bs usb wrote: > > I think ICOM is a day late and a dollar short. Yaesu beat them

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Jerry Moore
On my reading/research on the 991, It's a good radio but the display/band doesn't update as quickly or work the same as the P3 BASED ON MY READING. Jerry -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bs usb Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread brian
It is may be time to rethink the display. The functionality added through the years has resulted in display of certain settings is pretty obscure (e.g. flashing decimal point is supposed to mean something) The difficulty may be display size constraints. Lacking a bigger display, it would

[Elecraft] KX3 PBT problem

2015-09-03 Thread Al Duncan
I have RX xFIL set to "normal" in the menu so that the PBT control adjusts bandwidth. When I use a BW of 1.8 KHz or higher in SSB mode, everything looks good on a waterfall display. But when I reduce the BW to 1.7 KHz or lower, a chunk approximately 250 Hz wide and centered at 1500 Hz is removed

Re: [Elecraft] Comparisons K3S/KX3/K2 etc?

2015-09-03 Thread Matt Maguire
The Rob Sherwood chart is sorted by narrow spaced dynamic range (second last column). K3S is at 107dB, KX is at 104dB, and K2 appears twice, 80dB for the new model and 70dB for the older model. I presume if you apply the mod kits to an older model K2, it will bring the performance up near where

Re: [Elecraft] OT - High Power?

2015-09-03 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,9/3/2015 9:58 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote: For JT65 100 watts is QRO!;-) On HF, yes. On 160M, 6M, 2M, or moonbounce, it's QRP. JT65 is a WEAK SIGNAL mode, NOT a QRP mode. Caps added for emphasis. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft

[Elecraft] Touch-screen displays

2015-09-03 Thread w...@msn.com
There is yet another major problem with those touch-screen displays. On mobile installations, they are very distracting, therefore very dangerous. If there isn't a labeled button for it, it isn't easy to use. Also, long presses to activate a function don't always work well when you are on a

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300/Sherwood ratings

2015-09-03 Thread K5HM
Guess a guy cannot have too many radios. My K3 is enough for me though 73, Ron, K5HM k5hm@gmail.com www.qrz.com/db/k5hm     Excelsior! -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Lowman Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 1:22 PM

[Elecraft] KX3

2015-09-03 Thread Kyp Normand
Just ordered the KX3!! I haven't been on the radio for a few years (since the lightning strike) but I am looking forward to QRP from my work location in EL48oc. Yes, that is in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico (oil rig). Thinking about the Super Antenna MP1. Anybody use this antenna with the

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread bs usb
Al, Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special test equipment? If I can't hear the difference, then there is no difference. Besides Collins, Heathkit, and Drake were perfectly capable radios. I expect the 991 is equally capable and it offers as standard features

Re: [Elecraft] Comparisons K3S/KX3/K2 etc?

2015-09-03 Thread Wes (N7WS)
I own both an "original" K3 and "new" K3S. I would suggest snapping up one of the several original K3s now going on sale by owners who have upgraded. Wes N7WS On 9/3/2015 6:19 AM, Curt wrote: I hadn't been paying too much attention, guess the K3 has been replaced by the K3S. Owning a

Re: [Elecraft] Touch-screen displays

2015-09-03 Thread Richard W. Solomon
Simple answer ... provide speech recognition. Lots of cars have it built in. 73, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of w...@msn.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 9:44 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft]

[Elecraft] KPA500 fan noise

2015-09-03 Thread Terry Burkholder
During a normal rag chew after three or four minutes, the temp on my KPA500 hits 70 degrees and the fans are at full blast. It is difficult to hear over the fan noise even when using headphones. Running 480 watts out (verified on a calibrated wattmeter) on 20 meters. SWR is 1.0:1. Is this

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Wm Robert Leschyna
Personally I feel that a touch screen is a must in a "stand alone" (no pc needed) SDR, as it allows the future development and or creation and use of soft keys for functions that we may not even think of today. As for the IC7300, most of the time you will likely be using the most commonly used

[Elecraft] Icom IC-7300 / Elecraft

2015-09-03 Thread Dick Dickinson
ICOM indicates that the IC-7300 Multi-function knob selections are displayed on the upper right of the screen. That puts them right there next to the knob to be 'touched.' While I don't have an experienced opinion on touch screens, I can see the sense of that setup. I have frequently

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300/Sherwood ratings

2015-09-03 Thread Jim Lowman
My K3S kit is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I ordered it from Lisa at the Huntsville Hamfest, but asked her to defer shipment until I got home. I also ordered a Flex 6700 at the hamfest. Nice to know that I will own three of the top four radios in the Sherwood rankings. It will be

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Henry Pollock - K4TMC
Oh boy!.8/05 was to mean August 5th. I did not include the year, since I thought everyone would already know that it is a new rig that came out this year (2015). 73, Henry - K4TMC (crawling back under my rock...) On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Logan Zintsmaster wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread bs usb
Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its vitals appear to be right in line with those at the top of the list. Henry Pollock - K4TMC wrote: Sherwood Engineering test data is available at http://www.sherweng.com/table.html. The FT-991 was added back on 8/05. It

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Logan Zintsmaster
If 08/05 means August 2005, the listing is about 10 years too early. The FT 991 just came out. Logan, KZ6O > On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:45 PM, bs usb wrote: > > Indeed, the FT-991 is on the list, way down toward the bottom, but its vitals > appear to be right in line with those

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Al Gulseth
Guess I'm not reading the chart the same way you are: I find the 991's specs (sort of) in line with or even below decades-old rigs on the list from Atlas, Collins, Drake, Heathkit, and Ten-Tec. There's quite a bit of difference between the 991 and the top of the list (as in the "3" series

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
I'm the same way, I work on complex stuff all day as well. In my other Expensive Hobby I keep a Reef Aquarium. I've seen a lot of gizmos and gadgets come and go over the yearsand even I fell for a few of them, but more and more I have come full circle and back to the tried methods and

Re: [Elecraft] OT - High Power?

2015-09-03 Thread Ian - Ham
David, it would depend on your context. For typical, day-to-day operations, I would say anything over 200 watts is high power. Most contests recognize high power as anything over 150 watts. If you are a QRPer, anything over 5/10 watts (CW/SSB) is considered high power. Personally, if I have my

[Elecraft] OT - High Power?

2015-09-03 Thread David Ahrendts
What do you regard as “high power?” Is our beloved KPA500 at 500 watts a high power device? Or do you have to have a big Alpha at legal limit? David Ahrendts davidahren...@me.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] OT - High Power?

2015-09-03 Thread Carl Jón Denbow
For JT65 100 watts is QRO! ;-) Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Ian - Ham wrote: > > David, it would depend on your context. For typical, day-to-day operations, I > would say anything over 200 watts is high power. Most contests recognize high > power as

Re: [Elecraft] KX3

2015-09-03 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu,9/3/2015 11:58 AM, Kyp Normand wrote: Thinking about the Super Antenna MP1. Looks like a money sink. The virtue of something like this is portability for backpacking. Depending on how much freedom of access you have on the rig, simply rigging a random or resonant wire and using any

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Doug Person via Elecraft
I gave the FT-991 a short, intense work out. I was the first buyer from Ham Radio Outlet. I just sold it. Having spent the last part of my career as a Usability Engineer - I was not impressed with the FT-991. Not from a performance stand point and most importantly not from a usability

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 PBT problem

2015-09-03 Thread Al Duncan
Hi Peter, It is odd that the Weaver mode is used when I "uninstall" the roofing filters and the display shows it is only using FL1. I just tried enabling the 8 KHz RX shift, both with and without the roofing filter installed, but the problem still shows up. I am exiting from the menu and

Re: [Elecraft] Touch-screen displays

2015-09-03 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
The speak recognition in my Jeep is more a hindrance than a help. From: Richard W. Solomon To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Touch-screen displays Simple answer ... provide speech recognition.

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 PBT problem

2015-09-03 Thread Al Duncan
Hi Matt, Thanks for the suggestion, I was playing around with FSQ digital mode on 14104, 10144 and 7104 USB but couldn’t set my bandwidth narrow enough. In DATA-A I can now make it as narrow as I want. 73, AL – VE3RRD _ From: Matt Maguire [mailto:matt.vk...@gmail.com] Sent:

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
I think this is Icom's way of dipping their toe in the water and not upsetting their fan base by introducing an SDR in convention looking hardware. I am confident that they will be releasing a whole line of stand alone SDR rigs... The question will be what quality ADC Icom uses in the front

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Oliver Dröse
Major selling point of the IC-7300 overhere in Europe will be it's inclusion of the 70 MHz band! :-) 73, Olli - DH8BQA Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de Am 03.09.2015 um 08:58 schrieb Arie Kleingeld PA3A: The versatility/flexibility of the K3 is unmatched. The nice thing

Re: [Elecraft] OT - High Power?

2015-09-03 Thread Bob
High Power is like beauty it is in the eye of the beholder. Being an OT'er anything beyond the basic 807 or pair of 6146's is High Power, So my KPA500 is surely such. My backup station which is a K2 driving a legal limit Ten Tec Titan sits unused. Hard to beat the integration in the

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 PBT problem

2015-09-03 Thread Peter Lambert
Hi Al, Haven't tried it or observed it but I think that what you see is the switch to weaver mode demodulating. I thought this would only occurred when the filter was installed but from your observation I'd say that's not so. I think what you're seeing is normal. There's an IF shift (or

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Yes, but is it a difference you can discern without the use of special test equipment? Absolutely! The FT-991 will be much more noisy, suffer much more QRM from adjacent signals and suffer much more blocking from strong signals on the other end of the band. Anyone who has had a K3 and an

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Phil Wheeler
Joe, Thanks for addressing what to me is the core issue with any rig -- performance. A "bells and whistles" user interface -- and that can be a matter of personal preference -- may sell a lot of rigs, but to me performance is key in selecting a base station transceiver. I can compromise

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Cliff Frescura
+1000 And does this rig have the CAT fix for split? Original message From: Tony Estep Date:09/02/2015 5:48 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300 I note that it has only one tuning knob,

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
The versatility/flexibility of the K3 is unmatched. The nice thing about the ic7300 is that it uses direct RF sampling, which is probably the way to go in the future. I'm not sure if the touchscreen will add real value for operating. I'll have to try. As I wrote before, I expect that the K4

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Glen Torr
Hi Wayne, Thank you for the thoughtful comments on the IC7300. I am spending some of my retirement in radio astronomy where direct RF sampling is invading. Radio astronomy is very different from most communications in that the wider the bandwidth the better. The only threat to my K3 is the KX3 and

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread David Giles
I was at the Tokyo Ham Fair and got to spend a minute or so with one of the four on display. There was a crowd looking at them. I won't comment on specs but just give a first impression. It's smaller than a K3. The front panel does not appear to be detachable. The display is easy to read. I

Re: [Elecraft] OT - High Power?

2015-09-03 Thread Edward R Cole
Jim beat me to saying it: Depends on what band, what application you are talking about. JT65 was created for weak-signal eme (originally) ...and where I use it 1000w is QRO and 600w is not. QRP must be used in context of what is being attempted...I ran 150w on 2m-eme and that is considered

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Matt Maguire
If you are alone on the band, then you probably won't notice any difference. When the band gets crowded, however, you'll start to deal with QRM. some of that QRM will be from people transmitting "dirty" signals, but if your receiver has distortion, some of the "QRM" you hear will be "generated"

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Phil Wheeler
Thanks for the explanation, Wayne. Funny thing is that I never think of the K3 as *functionally* an SDR radio, I guess because I don't have access to the I/Q signal -- unless it accessible in some sneaky way I don't know about. OTOH in principle it seems one could take the I/Q output of the

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread W2CTX via Elecraft
If the 991 is so good why did Sherwood rank it below the ancient 706? Ron From: bs usb To: wb5...@centurytel.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300 Al, Yes, but is it a difference you can discern

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi Phil, Just to clarify: Both the KX3 and K3/K3S are SDRs. A major difference between these rigs and something like the IC-7300 or Flex 6xxx series is that our A-to-D converters (ADCs) are protected from wideband interference by a narrowband I.F. The K3/K3S uses crystal filters, while the KX3

Re: [Elecraft] Touch-screen displays

2015-09-03 Thread Fred Townsend
How is that going to work? Are you commanding the radio or talking to someone? Doesn't seem simple to me. 73 Fred, AE6QL -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard W. Solomon Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 12:05 PM To:

[Elecraft] WTB KFL3A-200

2015-09-03 Thread Jerry Moore
WTB KFL3A-200 Thanks in advance. Jerry Moore AE4PB, __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Alan
On 09/03/2015 08:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real buttons with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me. The nice thing about knobs is that over time you develop "muscle memory" where each one is and how to adjust it.

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Gary
Alan, Nobody has said it better. Elecraft = Knobs R Us Gary -Original Message- From: "Alan" Sent: ‎4/‎09/‎2015 1:56 PM To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300 On 09/03/2015 08:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Each to

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Walter Underwood
I apologize in advance if this is getting far off topic, but there is a blog that reviews audio equipment purely on the basis of “knob feel”. It is deeply silly, but you know, I can’t really disagree. There are lame knobs, good knobs, and great knobs. The feel of a big audio variable

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Jim Lowman
Now that I've had a smartphone for a few years, I can coexist with both worlds. But, being an OT, I like my knobs and switches. Surprisingly, I haven't bought a TS-991. At the Huntsville Hamfest, I ordered a Flex 6700, as well as a K3S. As a concession to the knob-twiddler in my personality, I

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 PBT problem

2015-09-03 Thread Matt Maguire
Yet another reason you should use DATA-A mode for digital modes rather than SSB. 73, Matt VK2RQ Envoyé à partir d'Outlook _ From: Peter Lambert Sent: vendredi, septembre 4, 2015 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 PBT problem To: Al Duncan

Re: [Elecraft] OT - High Power?

2015-09-03 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Exactly From: Jim Brown To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT - High Power? On Thu,9/3/2015 9:58 AM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote: > For JT65 100 watts is QRO!;-) On HF, yes. On 160M, 6M, 2M, or

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Don Wilhelm
Each to his own, but I find touchscreens to be 'bothersome' - real buttons with tactile feedback and real knobs do much better for me. I have tried tuning with the mouse scrollwheel, but find it cumbersome. For my radio, give me buttons and knobs - I can do the tuning and button pushing "by

[Elecraft] Comparisons K3S/KX3/K2 etc?

2015-09-03 Thread Curt
I hadn't been paying too much attention, guess the K3 has been replaced by the K3S. Owning a K2/100, am thinking about an "upgrade". Is there a simple chart comparing the attributes of these three radios? Looking at the receiver comparison charts on Elecraft site, am not seeing the KX3

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
I sure hope Elecraft Never goes to touch screens. It would be a game changer alright, I would not buy it. From: Doug Person via Elecraft To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 7:51 PM Subject: [Elecraft]

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread John Fritze
While I think touch screen technology is neat, and perhaps faster, my main complaint is the screen is always filthy with finger oils. Yes I can wipe it off, but experience with an AVmap GPS, my Galaxy 5, an Ipad and a Windows 8,1 laptop tells me that touch screen is not always the best solution.

Re: [Elecraft] Icom IC-7300

2015-09-03 Thread Brian Denley
I'm with Chris. I like knobs too but touch screens are here to stay. Brian KB1VBF Sent from my iPad > On Sep 3, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > > I'll add my $0.02. I'm not a huge fan of touch screen for the same reasons > John mentions. However, I would

Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan noise

2015-09-03 Thread Jack West
SAME HERE, I RUN MY KPA-500 IN FSK AT 270 WATTS OUT INTO A 1:1 SWR AS NCS OF THE RATTS RTTY NET. DURING THE LONG PREAMBLE AND ENDING MESSAGE MY TEMP GETS UP TO 70 AND SOMETIMES 73 DEG C. THE FAN ROARS LOUDLY AFTER 70 DEG IS REACHED. I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FAN BEHIND THE FAN IN K3 TO ASSIST