Does every one who buy's a QRP RANGER one get a cracked upper right
hand foot?
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Works great!
Do it all the time. Father showed me how 50 years ago, the same way
Vic describes it ;o)
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 07:44:19 +0300, you wrote:
>Get some no. 10 stranded wire at Home Depot (etc.), double it over, put one
>end in a vise and the other in the chuck of your electric drill
it sure is good enough for ham radio.
>
>On 5 Jun 2016, at 10:13 PM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <n...@n5ge.com> wrote:
>
>Don,
>
>I suspect that having redesigned a rig with touch screen
>capability the manufacturer would, in a short period of time realize
>the error of
Don,
I suspect that having redesigned a rig with touch screen
capability the manufacturer would, in a short period of time realize
the error of their ways. Hopfully they would still have enough
capital to revert to the original design and fire the person
responsible for the change.
On Sun, 5
Regarding the posting below :
Problem solved by turning off Fixed Tracking
Thanks to those answered my post.
ARS N5GE
On Wed, 11 May 2016 09:10:46 -0500, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
<n...@n5ge.com> wrote:
>I've changed monitors on my P3 and everything is going well except
>t
I've changed monitors on my P3 and everything is going well except
that for some reason when I tune across the bands, the monitor display
moves very fast when turning the main VFO across the bands.
I know I'm missing something, but Ive spent the last two days trying
to find why this is happening
Y'All,
Please put the name of the device you need help with or wish to
discuss.
That helps those of us who don't have the device and therefore can't
be of help to you.
Thanks
On Mon, 2 May 2016 13:15:00 -0700, you wrote:
>My K2 audio output is 4-ohms which I drive into an 8-ohm ICOM speaker
I agree. I used twisted pair for a long run up the tower to a pesky
Davis WX Station. It worked great!
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:09:13 -0500, you wrote:
>Clay,
>
>Use twisted pair wire between the switch and the RCA Plug. The tighter
>the twist the better.
>If you use that, there is no need
On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:38:03 -0700 (MST), you wrote:
No.
>Hi all,
>
>I am so sorry to bother you over here.
>Is there any rumour about the fat brother of KPA500... something like
>KPA1500 or so, please?
>
>best regards,
>73 - Petr, OK1RP
>
>
>
>
>-
>http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
Many Thanks and bravo to the folks at Elecraft for the K3s.
I am able to hear and work weak signals that are S2 and below on all
bands using the APF and NR.
Congratulations for a job well done, Elecraft!
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:56:05 -0600, you wrote:
>Depending on the radio they are using, some are really nasty!
>
>And with some that seem to run their radio in QSK mode, but without a
>QSK qualified amp, that makes things worse as they are likely arcing and
>sparking the relays.
Is there something wrong with my P3, or are all of those extremely
wide raged CW signals I see in the DX pile-ups really that bad?
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When I lived in Oklahoma City, the yearly ham fest had a QLF contest.
Participants did not need to bring a key. The club had a straight key
that was about four or five feet long and about two feet wide. All
contestants used that key.
It was quite fun to watch ;o)
Good luck, Ted
Tom,
N5GE
On
Well said Olli.
On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 11:46:27 +0100, you wrote:
>http://www.elecraft.com is not using any certificates (just checked),
>it's just plain http, not https (thus no need for certificates). It only
>switches to https when you are going to pay an order like in "Check Out
>Now". And
I use three discarded 12v server back-up bateries which are discarded
from the server room after one year of service, but are generally
worth three to four years usage. Mine are connected to a West
Mountain Super PWRgate PG40S between my Power supply and the 12 volt
equipment. When the mains
I have two K3's and a K3s and I'd like to remedy
the folowing situation if it's posible.
When using Sub along with split I'v noticed that the U shaped markers
don't align in the center of the the DX country. They are shifted a
bit to the left of the Marker on both the Main and Sub reveivers.
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:55:20 + (UTC), you wrote:
>Jim,
> I have had the same results into the Ukraine and Europe in the mornings
> before sunrise here at my Amador county QTH with my 160 Meter double extended
> Zepps that have a 80 meter lobe right at them. The path did not last long
>
I'm about to send my KPA500 To the shop at Elecraft and I wonder if
anyone has had any success using an ALPHA 87A runing low power into
KAT500?
If so how many watts did you run into the KTA500?
Thanks.
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Thanks to all the folks who gave me hints regarding the post below.
The culpret was indeed the XMLog application.
ARS N5GE
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:43:16 -0600, you wrote:
>Every time I change bands the REV setting reapears when I go back to
>that band. This happens on all bands.
>
>I know how
Every time I change bands the REV setting reapears when I go back to
that band. This happens on all bands.
I know how to turn it off by holding the ALT button when this happens,
but it's iritating to have to keep doing it.
How can I make it stop coming on to begin with?
ARS N5GE
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:00:20 +, you wrote:
When I got my K3s I was surprised how well the rig worked on CW with
the 2.7 filter, but I would sat that if you are serious about working
CW (especialy in pile-ups) You will probably want a filter in the
400Hz or 500 Hz range.
ARS N5GE
>Anyone
I'm trying to set-up working Split Folowing Fred Cady's K3s manua land
I'm having trouble setting it up on 17m. I have it setup for 20m and
it works very well. I can hear the the audio from the sub rx in
pileups-ups and it works great!
On 17m I followed the instructions, and I can hear the
I'm trying to set-up working Split Folowing Fred Cady's K3s manua land
I'm having trouble setting it up on 17m. I have it setup for 20m and
it works very well. I can hear the the audio from the sub rx in
pileups-ups and it works great!
On 17m I followed the instructions, and I can hear the
It's just my opinion. I could be wrong, but wouldn't it be better to
discus the Tesla automobile on the forum below?
Or does the Tesla automobile have built-in Elecraft products?
www.teslamotors.com/forums/discussions/general
Tue, 6 Oct 2015
21:10:17 -0400, you wrote:
>I have to say I
Howdy,
I have a p3 that I have connected to a 1024 by 768 monitor.
Today I noticed that on both the monitor and the P3 pause about evey 6
seconds for one second and repeat the routine again.
I've never noticed that behavior before.
The P3 has all of the upgrades except the P3 TX Monitor and is
All,
I turned the P3 off and on again. Both the P3 and the monitor
flickered and floped around for about 2 seconds and began performing
as they should.
Go figure :-?)
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:40:00 -0500, I wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>I have a p3 that I have connected to a 1024 by 768 monitor.
>
Now that the K3S has no RS232 connectors, is there any change in the
way the KPA500 connects to the K3S?
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How dose one set the access tones and and offsets on repeaters when
using K144XV.
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The title says it all...
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Please help
I have connected my P3 to my new K3S and it works very well. However,
now when I try to load my P3 Utility it will not connect to any com
port on my PC.
I'm not new to working with COM ports and PC applications, having
sucessfully written several working applications which connect com
ports, so
liable than either UPS or
>FedEX 2-Day or surface.
>
>73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
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to display. I've tryed all of
the cursor settings in both FixTrack and FixMode with no sucess.
Can someone please tell me how to make the U shaped cursors display
again?
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that it is
secure when the desktop is in a motorhome?
I have some ideas of course but looking for something better perhaps.
Thanks
Gary
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Has anyone received a K3S yet?
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. A
Reed and Prince screw driver has has a sharp point on the business end
which will keep it from seating properly in the head of a Phillips
screw, which will usually ruine the screw head by stripping the head,
making it very hard to remove.
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73,
Don W3FPR
On 6/18
I thought the P3 would output 1920 x1080, but I can find no setting
for the P3 resolution.
But then again I may be wrong. :-)
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:54:46 + (UTC), you wrote:
Press Menu button
Turn Knob to SVGA menu
Press Knob
Turn Knob to SVGA res
Press Knob
Turn Knob to desired setting
Press Knob
1920x1080 is Not recommended since it takes
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I have no birdies on 6m K3 1055.
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 14:50:42 -0700 (MST), you wrote:
This morning, tuning one of the rigs across a dead
6 Meter band, I can hear a weak increase in white noise whenever
I turn the VFO knob.
Dave,
I don't have a K3, but check to see if the NB is
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OK, now that all of you have told us how good your vocabulary is, can
we end this thread, or do you have more definitization to share with
us?
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In memory of our Grandfather,
Arch Hinson, a WWI veteran who
engaged in battle against The Hun
at Saint-Mihiel, France
Don't see that here at 100 WPM, with or without QSK.
Here are the settings I have on my P3:
AVERAGE = 5
Waterfall Averaging = OFF
Peak = OFF
Using a 15 yr old VGA
Amateur Radio Operator
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On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 10:57:05 -0500, you wrote:
Has a non Beta firmware update been released which
When I finish attaching them (correctly) to the wires I install the
roll pin and then add heat-shrink from one inch behind the assembly to
where just covers the roll pin.
73,
Tom - N5GE
On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:57:37 -0700, you wrote:
I note we don't see complaints about coaxial power
that the power cord is supplying
the proper voltage to the amp internally and externally .
What is the most likely cause of failure to get power to the amp?
Which components should be checked next?
Thanks in advance,
Amateur Radio Operator
N5GE
I have been up to see the
Congress and they do
The sender is using an HTML email program.
#39; is the HTML equivalent of an apostrophe.
Since the Elecraft reflector doesn't read HTML, the apostrophe's are
decoded as ASCII text.
Amateure Radio Operator N5GE
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:17:04 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
Hi,
I am not sure exactly what
I do not recommend Davis WX Stations. They are very RFI sensitive.
If anyone has succesfully modified one to eliminate RFI sensitivity I
would like to hear from you.
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 14:24:52 -0500, you wrote:
I would like to get a good wireless weather station that would be compatible
The advertisements for that particular brand of 700Hz filter are
passed through my junk filter or I wouldn't have seen it.
I'm surprised you didn't delete the entire advertisement. I guess
I'm going have to add the phrase limited production to my filters.
In the K3, as it comes from the factory
In my case, I walked next door and explained that his Plasma TV was
interfering with my radio reception. I then asked him to come to my
shack to see what the problem was. I showed him the signal from the
PTV on my monitor which is connected to the P3 and asked if we could
go to his home and turn
Take a look at the K144XV-K Internal 2 M 10w Module Kit for the K3.
It works great!
Amateure Radio Operator N5GE
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 17:08:58 -0500, you wrote:
A rig would be good but whats more my interest I would really like to
see Elecraft make a matching amplifier for VHF/UHF to go
I too have noticed and wondered about this behavior.
Tom Childers
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
Licensed 1976
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:07:04 +0100, you wrote:
Hi to the group,
I have a question about the S meter calibration.
On HF bands, It's on spot, very impressive indeed from S1 to end
I hope this is not totally OT, but I just finished sending an email to
K5DNL in EM15lj telling him I could hear him in EM12jq (300km) on my
K3 with my M2 18XXX at 48 feet.
My k3 has the K144XV in it and I was using the preamp in a TE Systems
1452G Brick.
My point is that JT65 can be heard on
Yah!
Tom
N5GE
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:36:51 -0800, Wayne wrote:
Yes. There will be two per band power settings, one with amp in, one
with amp out. The K3 will also alert you to amp hard-fault conditions
(those which put it into standby), in case you were too far from the
amp to see
First a comment regarding the thread:
It's interesting how a request for help with a receiver not receiving
can turn into a discussion of 43 foot verticals and antennas.
After 35 years in the hobby it amazes me how many amateurs believe
that a non-resonant antenna can be as efficient as a
It would be really be nice if they had designed the P3 with a cutout in the rear
for an External Display. That way they could add an external video output at a
later time.
Tom, N5GE
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:42:48 -0600, Jack Brabham k...@att.net wrote:
I have an LP-PAN PSDR/IF setup.
Works
Vidi,
The solution is on the VFO A display. If in fine there are three decimal
digits. Tapping while in fine mode gives you two decimal digits, coarse mode
gives one decimal digit and tapping rate gives you two decimal digits. In any
case tapping fine gets you back to three decimal digits.
Joe,
One thing that I'm puzzled about is why it is that most of the posters are
complaining about absolute frequency display and logging, when the requirements
for DXCC awards and contest awards are awarded by band, not frequency. In LOTW
even the time only has to be within 30 minutes to be
Internet spots, mostly to see where the
propagation is. Don't try posting one as +/- 10 KHz.
--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE n...@n5ge.com wrote:
From: Amateur Radio Operator N5GE n...@n5ge.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Question
To: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com
Cc: Wes
I used mine the other day to calibrate my filters gains. It was easy to get
them all matched up using the XG2 and the amplitude scale.
Another use I plan for it is to adjust the preamp's in my xv432, xv144 and other
devices with preamp's using the N-GEN.
It should function very well as a piece
?
...bc nr4c
Quoting Amateur Radio Operator N5GE n...@n5ge.com:
I used mine the other day to calibrate my filters gains. It was easy to get
them all matched up using the XG2 and the amplitude scale.
Another use I plan for it is to adjust the preamp's in my xv432,
xv144 and other
Adrian,
I have noticed that too, but I find it improves if you increase the monitor
volume just a tad. YMMV.
73,
Tom Childers
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011
Jorge,
The input to your amplifier is not presenting a 50 ohm load to the transmitter.
Check your amplifier's manual and see if there is a method of adjusting the
input impendence on the amplifier. Some amplifiers will have an adjustment for
several bands. Look at the back of the amplifier
Chris,
The P3 has instructions for use with non-K3 rigs.
If you are considering getting a P3, then you can download the P3 manual from:
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/P3%20Owners%20Manual%20Errata%20A7-1.pdf
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:42:06 EST, w3...@aol.com wrote:
Hello all:
I expect
Wayne et al,
I use a LRC2 for all of my HF antennas, and as our friends across the pond would
say, It works a treat..
I'm planning a new tower installation here and another KRC2 will switch all of
the VHF/UHF antennas if it's doable. I haven't read up on it yet, but I see
remember nothing
Bob,
A.. Now I get it!
Thanks for the VFO IND information.
Yes, I think you have a valid reason to want that feature, as long as the VFO
frequencies don't change unless you are QSX cross-band.
Thank you for the direct email exchange and enlightenment regarding VFO IND. I
enjoyed it.
I wonder what the dimensions of the KPA500 are. It doesn't look much larger
than the K3.
73,
Tom Childers
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:13:50 -0500, Joe
rfri...@usa.net wrote:
Not including projections, the KPA500 is exactly the same size as the K3.
Bob, N6CM
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
n...@n5ge.comwrote:
I wonder what the dimensions of the KPA500 are. It doesn't look much
larger
than the K3.
73,
Tom
Bob,
Why should it do that?
The description of what you want to happen would cause me, who primarily uses
split to work CW DX, to have to retune my B VFO to the DX listening frequency,
which is much more trouble than double tapping AB to put both VFO's on the same
frequency.
In addition,
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 11:28:50 -0600, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE n...@n5ge.com
wrote:
Bob,
Why should it do that?
The description of what you want to happen would cause me, who primarily uses
split to work CW DX, to have to retune my B VFO to the DX listening frequency,
which is much more trouble
S7 here in North Texas, but a very large pile up.
N5GE
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 11:14:48 -0500 (EST), gold...@charter.net wrote:
Anyone having luck getting the DXpedition S9DX.
I am struck out since Thursday, any K3 tips or are they just not getting
out?
Don
KD8NNU
I thought this thread was closed yesterday??
Why not post your review on QRZ or one of the other appropriate sites that
publish reviews of ham equipment?
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 02:55:57 -0500 (EST), Mike Morrow k...@earthlink.net
wrote:
Ron wrote:
There are other differences that are not
Jim,
I thought I saw a post in answer to your comment about QSY in data mode, but
perhaps it was an answer in another thread.
The poster said he noticed that when he tapped the knob on the P3 he was
rotating it very slightly. After seeing this he said he set one of the function
buttons to TAP
Dave,
I was really surprised to see another poster say that you should kill the power
on the K3 after installing new firmware. I have two K3's here, have never done
that and have never, ever had any trouble whatsoever with firmware
installations.
In my experience, going on 3 years, it's not
I tried those when I fist got my hearing aides for listening to music at work.
They use voice coil coupling and are definitely NOT high fidelity.
73,
Tom Childers
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Yes!
I discovered a couple of weeks ago that the P3 can also be used to see the
approximate settings on my Palstar AT5K tuner by adjusting the inductance and
capacitance for maximum band noise on the P3.
In fact when experimenting I found that if I tuned my 80m half sloper with the
K3 set to
When you put the rig in AM Sync the rig will follow any changes in the received
signal to Sync with it. You will also notice that you are actually on SSB in
this mode.
What you saw was normal. I hope you remember what the original setting of the
Ref Osc was.
The manual has a good description
The Type Name is TMP Connectors, MANUFACTURED by the Taiko Denki Company.
73,
Tom Childers
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:17:16 +0100, Peter p...@pi4cc.nl
That's great news, Nate!
By the way... I notice a lot of operators sending E N when answering a turn
over and confirming questions. Is that a new cool way to send Roger (R), or
have I missed something in the last twenty years or so?
73,
Tom Childers
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Agreed Geoff.
I think it could be more accurate. I do think it was lowered too much. At
times when on 2m my k3 smelter S-Meter nothing at all when using the K144XV.
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 18:04:28 -, Geoffrey Downs geoffre...@madasafish.com
wrote:
[snip]
Things were not always how they
Lyle,
That makes perfect sense to me. When you tell send someone what they sound like
at your end it should sound like what you hear.
When one is using an equalizer they should make sure when they send someone a
sample of what they hear, they tell the recipient the recording was made post
Roy,
Did you calibrate the P3?
Tap the P3 MENU Button
Turn the knob until you see Lvl Cal
With the XG1 on the antenna connector of the K3 and turned on, adjust the level
to S-9.
Tap the knob.
73,
Tom Childers
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You could also center the filter width bracket on the signal and adjust the
filter bandwidth so it fits against the right and left sides of the signal and
read the bandwidth from the filter width setting on the K3.
73,
Tom Childers
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This is normal. The right panel of the K3 is used as a heat sink for one of the
components (don't remember which one) and most of the heat generating components
are on the left side. If you have the K144XV installed you will also notice
some heart at the rear left side of the K3.
73,
Tom
Try it with the latest version of the K3 Utility 1.3.11.5 and see if that helps.
73,
Tom Childers
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:18:43 -, Geoffrey Downs
John,
The latest Utility is 1.3.11.5.
Try using that first.
73,
Tom Childers
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 09:00:57 -0800 (PST), John_N1JM johnn...@gmail.com
Another justification for not swapping for the 2.8Khz filter is that even the 8
pole filters will need to be adjusted if you want exact alignment with any other
filters. Not a really big deal, but if you're a perfectionist...
73,
Tom Childers
Radio Amateur N5GE
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I agree, Doug.
I've been a ham for 35 years now and have experienced the round the world trip
signals on CW during most good propagation when using QSK. It's interesting,
but not that rare, especially when you are using high power and good directional
antennas.
73,
Tom Childers
Radio Amateur
Colin,
I have one of those and mine never gets that hot. Are you sure the fan is
working correctly? Are the openings for the fan clear of obstructions?
73,
Tom Childers
Radio Amateur N5GE
Licensed since 1976
QCWA Life Member 35102
ARRL Life Member
Retired Professional
C# Software developer
Hello John,
I would get the KTCX03-1 option instead of the 2.8 filter. You won't notice the
difference between the filters. I have two K3's one with the 2.7 and one with
the 2.8 and there is no real difference between the two.
I would get the 500hz CW filter for starters. When you start
Is it possible to turn off the filter width brackets in the display?
At times when doing weak signal work they can obstruct the signal spike on the
display, especially when having the filter width cranked down to 100 or 50Hz.
I'm not talking about the center line.
Naturally, for those who want
Don et al,
You can run anything that runs on XP on Win 7 by installing an XP virtual
machine on the computer. It's a free download from Microsoft's web site and you
can have your choice of the 64 bit or 32bit version. You don't have to dual
boot, and it won't run unless you start it up from
David,
Mine drifts a bit when I first go to the band, but to solve that I just give it
a key down into a dummy load for about ten seconds to warm it up, because When
your not on the 2m band it is not powered. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but
I think that is what the manual says. That seems
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:12:49 -0500, John Ragle tpcj1...@crocker.com wrote:
I have used the E-MU 0202 with XP Pro 64 bit without trouble, but beware, there
are no 64 bit drivers for Win 7 and there won't be any, according to the web
site.
73,
Tom Childers
Radio Amateur N5GE
Licensed since 1976
I drive a TE Systems 2m solid state amp with the ten watts from the K144XV in my
K3 and it puts out 350 watts.
That's pretty close...
73,
Tom Childers
Radio Amateur N5GE
Licensed since 1976
QCWA Member 35102
ARRL Life Member
Retired Professional
C# Software developer
On Wed, 22 Dec 2010
I agree. After the answer about using the K3 was answered there was no reason to
continue the thread.
Why not take this off line, or to a reflector group that specializes in
clandestine AM Broadcasting?
73,
Tom Childers
Radio Amateur N5GE
Licensed since 1976
QCWA Member 35102
ARRL Life Member
Bruce,
I've heard that the military has discontinued CW training for communications.
That's too bad.
I wonder if MARS still uses CW or have they gone to phone and digital?
73,
Tom Childers
Radio Amateur N5GE
Licensed since 1976
QCWA Member 35102
ARRL Life Member
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 12:40:18
Each new version of the firmware (including beta versions) comes with a
description of the changes made. In fact the document included describes each
change that the update includes dating back to MCU 1.65 and DSP 1.52, 1-28-08.
You don't have to ask for it. The file name is hfwnotes.rtf and
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