or a majority of
all members.
SImple majority clearly means absolute majority in this link from Scotland:
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(the winner) next (who won with 151 votes). If less than 61
ballots (i.e. 212 minus 151) of the 115 Montgomery of Alamein ballots
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Here you need to understand the language IRV uses - they LIKE the word
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RP (plurality) or pairwise sorted plurality offers weak burial
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Apologies! I picked what looked good to me as a winner, and then assumed
I understood compatible rules.
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On Dec 13, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Dave Ketchum wrote:
Cycles don't enter into it (and if A is guaranteed a solid win,
then of course strategy is irrelevant).
My argument is about expected utility. Let's go back to Diego's
scenario
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Conceded that some could like IRV, even after understanding what it does.
It wasn't my intent to make any point for or against IRV, but it interesting
another thread is discussing
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:03:03 - James Gilmour wrote:
Dave Ketchum Sent: 22 December 2007 21:52
Out of all this I see very little possible use for differences:
That is the problem. So you will continue to describe the different ballots
and voting systems incorrectly.
Topic
whenever there are more than two
seriously contending candidates.
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So we look for a method suitable for two, or more, candidates, such as:
Approval - cannot rank 3 candidates as best, worst, and soso
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James' discussion of history leading up to IRV makes
preference
support, and another win for the first preference while lacking true wide
support?
etc.
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Dave Ketchum Said
Best to leave US Presidential out of this debate because of its
peculiarities. Time enough to go there once the basic topic is resolved
for general use.
Also matters that Plurality is the major
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that is a bad recommendation, since it implies condorcet voting (the
only method where every voter has the same strength), which is nowhere
near as utilitarian as range voting.
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Somehow we are not talking the same language.
An example that could be executed, with voters each splitting candidates
into two groups (as many as they choose into each
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A unanimous vote means they all agreed, so getting a few to change
should not affect result.
Far from unanimity makes it impossible to be sure how a particular
voter voted.
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:35:13 -0400 Warren Smith wrote:
The YN model - a simple voting model in which range voting behaves
optimally while many competing
dramatize the situation - but
the problem
will also arise in less-dramatic forms.
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:12:45 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 12:17 PM 3/27/2008, Dave Ketchum wrote:
Ok, I give up on poking at this one.
While the stated votes may be possible, I do not accept them as being of
enough expectability to be useful in comparison among the election
this you can make and
try to prove or disprove.
For the present class of problem, you can investigate them by computer
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; Condorcet
cycles will exist asymptotically 100% of the time.
I do not know how Borda, Condorcet, and IRV will behave
in the random-voter YN model. Computer simulations seem called for
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:28:22 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 03:32 PM 3/29/2008, Dave Ketchum wrote:
Some see forest; some see trees; who sees all?
Those who see a forest made up of trees.
Looking at the 31 voter Plurality example:
16 voted for candidates with 3 or more Ys
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At 08:30 AM 3/30/2008, Dave Ketchum wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:28:22 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 03:32 PM 3/29/2008, Dave Ketchum wrote:
Some see forest; some see trees; who sees all
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:48:56 -0400 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 10:27 PM 3/30/2008, Dave Ketchum wrote:
Runoffs main value is recovering from a methods weaknesses until
something can be done about the method. They are too expensive to
be accepted as if a normal part of a usable method
preferences to complete the ballot.)
Teaching avoiding bullet voting is proper and seems doable. I choke on
guessing what the apparent bullet voter might have meant.
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redoing? Condorcet lets voters rank all that they approve of. When does
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On Jun 30, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Dave Ketchum wrote:
Condorcet provides for ranked approval for more than
one
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the result I must insincerely rank my preferred front-runner above
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could easily be augmented to
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Forest
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2008 21:09:15 +0300 Juho wrote:
On Jul 12, 2008, at 17:56 , Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Dave Ketchum wrote:
Again, why NOT Condorcet?
Its' ballot is ranking, essentially the same as IRV, except the
directions better be more intelligent:
Rank as many as you choose - ranking all
is
a true majority, because, with this logic, we could always find
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Bruce R. Gilson wrote:
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:04:19 - Bruce R. Gilson wrote:
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I wish I could be so sure that cycles are going to be rare. That's the
one thing that scares me about
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Bruce R. Gilson wrote:
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As soon as you put in some cycle-resolving system, you will
downgrade the preferences of some of these 6
incorporate
negotiation of various kinds, but none of those was under
discussion here.
James Gilmour
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can you argue that we should adopt IRV
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from which to argue that IRV is better? Or is it only the criteria that
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that IRV can cause should help
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:01:10 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Dave Ketchum wrote:
Or do we want the voter to be able to cancel the ballot and let
the poll workers know that he needs a paper ballot instead that
he can mark himself?
I'm fine with the latter
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:14:34 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Dave Ketchum wrote:
So you're saying that computers are better than specialized machines?
I'm not sure that's what you say (rather than that machines are
better than paper ballots), but I'll assume that.
Your specialized
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:37:32 -0600 Kathy Dopp wrote:
4. Re: Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines (Dave Ketchum)
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:14:34 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Dave Ketchum wrote:
I DO NOT like printout-based machines. To start some thinking, how about:
All
said nothing of such as central tabulators. Certainly quality needs
attending to here, but voter anonymity should not be a problem here.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:22:41 -0600 Kathy Dopp wrote:
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First, this is not intended
wrote:
Dancing on E-voting’s grave
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1227tag=nl.e019
Election loser: touch-screen voting
http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1185482.html
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Subject: Re: [EM] Why We Shouldn't Count Votes with Machines
Regrettably James is making an incorrect analysis of the problem.
I believe that is a mischaracterization because James' prior email
a Condorcet vote on an infinite number of candidate values)
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in such.
And no value in runoffs - Plurality needs runoffs because of the way
voters cannot express their thoughts - but Condorcet has no similar problem.
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:28:55 +0100 Raph Frank wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Certainly both party
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:45:14 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
For some reason, I didn't receive Dave Ketchum's reply to my post about
the Condorcet party. So let's try this again, indeed.
Dave Ketchum wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:05:28 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Dave Ketchum
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:19:52 -0400 Michael Allan wrote:
Dave Ketchum wrote:
When there is a cycle (3 or more in a near tie) there could be demos
of whatever resolution procedures please someone.
I was never concerned with a final decision. I doubt these are in
your ballpark:
I see
On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:52:31 -0400 Michael Allan wrote:
Dave Ketchum wrote:
Cycles happen, and perhaps should be reported, but are NOT a reason for he
system to do anything special beyond normal analysis and reporting.
Of course reporting should e based on total voting, thus updated as soon
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:12:21 -0400 Michael Allan wrote:
Dave Ketchum wrote:
I do not understand 'no resolution':
By time N1 there have been 10 votes in the poll - to analyze as a complete
Condorcet election.
By time N2 there have been 2 more, for a total of 12 to analyze as if a
complete
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:45:16 -0600 Kathy Dopp wrote:
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ANYTHING cam get tampered with if enough doors are left ajar, including
paper ballots (such as discarding, editing, or replacing some).
True, but paper ballots must
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Dave Ketchum wrote:
Mixed into this, Plurality is easily done with paper; better systems
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:56:01 -0400 Michael Allan wrote:
Dave Ketchum wrote:
In simulation there is value, and sometimes excessive temptation, in
tailoring test cases to favor a desired result.
Maybe try an open simulator. Make the electorate engine pluggable
so experimenters can try
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:24:09 -0600 Kathy Dopp wrote:
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More complete defenses are possible with electronics.
Totally FALSE statement.
Sad that we cannot look at the same reality!
Conceded that rogue programmers can do all
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:22:37 +0100 James Gilmour wrote:
Dave Ketchum Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:16 AM
We have to be doing different topics.
Actually we seem together on topics, but you reacted to what you took as a
cue statement without noticing what I was saying. Perhaps
such as the
3-ballot array.
Not mentioned above is ability for those up to it to analyze the system
programming in whatever detail they see as valuable.
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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:18:50 +0100 Raph Frank wrote:
On 10/9/08, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If there is a near tie among three or more, they often disagree but
usually get one of the leaders - matters little since the leaders were about
equally deserving.
This was part of my
, Dave Ketchum wrote:
I suggest a two-step resolution:
Agree to a truce between Condorcet and Range, while they dispose of
IRV as being less capable than Condorcet.
Then go back to the war between Condorcet and Range.
Condorcet uses essentially the same ballot as IRV, with essentially
) Chris Benham wrote:
Dave Ketchum wrote:
I started this thread to compare IRV vs Condorcet, believing that IRV is
provably less capable and deserves discarding.
Dave,
Comparing a decisive method with a criterion is a bit like comparing a
person with virtue. As soon as you tell us which
compliant, and many others that aren't
(complying with other criteria that some believe are more crucial). The
issue separating the various Condorcet methods is how you find a winner
when there is no Condorcet winner.
Terry Bouricius
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:49:41 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Raph Frank wrote:
On 10/9/08, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If there is a near tie among three or more, they often disagree but
usually get one of the leaders - matters little since the leaders
were about
equally
directly. It was handled by Congress.
Using majority rule?
That someone was me.
Sorry, Greg didn't include your name in his post (or I couldn't find
it).
No need to be sorry.
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have to explain what a
Condorcet matrix is, what a beatpath is, and a lot of concepts that make
it sound foreign (a) and therefore bad (c).
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:08:32 +0200 Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
Dave Ketchum wrote:
I suggest a two-step resolution:
Agree to a truce between Condorcet and Range, while they dispose
of IRV as being less capable than Condorcet.
Then go back to the war between Condorcet and Range
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Do to no one what you would not want done to you.
If you want peace, work for justice.
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:14:29 +0100 Raph Frank wrote:
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do we measure 'sincere'? In most places in the US N backers place a
candidate on a party primary ballot, and N2 (usually a larger number)
directly on the general
On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:20:07 -0300 Diego Santos wrote:
2008/10/18 Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Given a Condorcet cycle, how does anyone justify awarding a winner
outside?
True that deciding the winner among cycle members can be a challenge
Parties could not tolerate voters making THEIR OWN choices - but it took
three strikes to fire Vito!
Original Message
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:32:59 -0400
From: Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This law had what seems like a simple purpose - Republicans and Democrats
were
) Kevin Venzke wrote:
Hi Dave,
--- En date de : Sam 18.10.08, Dave Ketchum [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Given a Condorcet cycle, how does anyone justify awarding a
winner outside?
Two possibilities:
1. to simplify the definition of the method
2. to satisfy other strategy criteria.
Kevin
that the election gets swamped with candidates.
Not so hard that there are no candidates.
After losing in the primary, can a candidate run independent in the general
election? Perhaps, with proper petition signatures.
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them.
Better might be a weighted vote (but who'd set the weights?).
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Dave Ketchum 108 Halstead Ave, Owego, NY 13827-1708 607-687-5026
Do to no one what you would not want done to you.
If you want
and that voters in compliant states get - go beat
on the laggard states. The intent is to expedite full compliance without
demanding such.
DWK
--Bob
Dave Ketchum wrote:
Was: Re: [EM] Making a Bad Thing Worse
Is the Electoral College recognized as having lived ot its useful
life? If so, perhaps we
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This is exactly what I'm referring to. I was specifically *not* saying
that Condorcet-compliant methods themselves could violate
one-person-one-vote. That's not the case.
--Bob
Dave Ketchum wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:51:55 -0700 Bob Richard wrote:
Some states may not be up to Condorcet
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