RE: Dutch standard, NEN 1020

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello Nick, I can be helpful. I have an account at NEN.nl and can order for you. I may also order on your behalf, if you provide me with your info. Let me know if you are interested. Its cost are about 150 USD. for the english version Not that some parts have been replaced by EN 50075, I do not

Dutch standard, NEN 1020

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I'm looking for some help with obtaining an English language copy of standard NEN 1020. I may well also need assistance with interpreting its requirements (particularly if I cannot get an English language copy). Please can anyone who is in a position to assist with this please contact me?

BS EN 60950-1:2006 clause 2.7 numbering

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello all, My copy of BS EN 60950-1:2006 has no clause 2.7.4 is this correct or an omission? I can't find any indication of what has happened to it. Also after clause 2.7.1 there is a statement detailing that 'This subclause has been declared void' Is this a clause numbering error which has

Air conditioner EMI test(CISPR 14-1)

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi All I have Question... About CISPR 14-1 ( clause 4.1.1.3 ) Load terminals and additional terminals Test I Measure will be air conditioner But new test sample is not used terminal block( Used power connector, So consumer is never using other power source ) Question - In that case,

RE: CE marking of transformers per LVD

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I haven't seen it consistently either, but the new guide on the LVD seems to indicate that it is a requirement to mark transformers (and similar devices) with the CE mark. Who woulda thunk... Don From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian O'Connell Sent: Tuesday,

Re: CE marking of transformers per LVD

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Don, Yes, I have. These are custom mains transformers inherited from a former division of our company. I often wondered why the detail drawings required them to be CE marked. I have been removing that requirement as we specify new transformers. In fact, I would truly like to come up with a

RE: CE marking of transformers per LVD

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
FWIW, some of my component xfmrs that are certified to 61558-x bear the 'CE' mark, which is based on the requirements of the agency that issued the certificate and test report. luck, Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Barker, Neil Sent: Tuesday, October 16,

RE: Kapton Insulation

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
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RE: safety sticker on plastic bags

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Not sure why the link to the California Code did not work so try this one http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/code/ge code.html?file=./bpc/22001-23000/22200-22205 From: Tyra, John Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:55 PM To: 'Shawn Singh'; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: safety sticker on plastic

RE: safety sticker on plastic bags

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I researched this many years ago and found the following CALIFORNIA CODES BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS CODE SECTION 22200-22205 has specific requirements. you can view the code here http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=55091916027+0+0+0 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/wais

RE: CE marking of transformers per LVD

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Don, Yes, I've certainly seen a CE marking on internal transformers. I would not say that it is necessarily universal practice, but it certainly exists. In such a case, I would expect the harmonised standard to be one of the parts of EN 61558. Best regards Neil R. Barker CEng MIET HonFSEE

RE: Kapton Insulation

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Ed, There is a great deal of information about Kapton wire on the internet. Some, of course, extols its properties, but much condemns it, particularly for use in aircraft. If you simply enter 'Kapton wire' in a search engine (I like http://livesearch.alltheweb.com/ for technical searches) you

CE marking of transformers per LVD

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Has anyone ever noticed a CE mark on an internal transformer? Don _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Umbdenstock, Don Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 4:43 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: FW: CE marking of transformers per LVD Dear Forum Members,

RE: safety sticker on plastic bags

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Shawn, I believe the requirement is adopted from toys industry, EN71 and this best practice spreads to all other industries, i.e., electronics, electrical appliances, garments, etc. If the plastic bag has an opening perimeter of greater than 380 mm, the bag shall be made of a plastic film

RE: Kapton Insulation

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Ed: Check out the Du Pont Kapton MSDS web site: http://www.dupont.com/kapton/msds.html The MSDS refers to a bulletin on safe handling and use. I did not take the time to track this down. Best regards, Richard Nute Product Safety Consultant San Diego From:

Re: safety sticker on plastic bags

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Thanks to all of you. Now I know the circumference of the opening and statement to put on the bag. Nick Williams nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk wrote: There is no legal requirement for this in the EU that I am aware of. However, it's usually a condition of supply for most large retailers so

Options for an EMI Receiver

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Members, I need your help to determine options for an EMI receiver. 1. Time Domain Scan (FFT) It is my understanding that time domain scan is faster. For a manufacturer, is it necessary to choose this option (not cheap)? The goal is fully automation to take data and generate reports

RE: safety sticker on plastic bags

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Info at the following sites might be of use. http://www.plasticbag.com/industry/warning.html http://www.canlii.org/ca/regu/crc931/whole.html http://www.canlii.org/ca/regu/crc931/whole.html(see packaging) http://www.plasticsindustry.org/public/baglabel.htm

Re: safety sticker on plastic bags

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
There is no legal requirement for this in the EU that I am aware of. However, it's usually a condition of supply for most large retailers so in practice nearly all products sold have such warnings on the bags they are contained in. In these circumstances, I guess 'the authorities' have not

RE: safety sticker on plastic bags

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Shawn, I am not aware of any regulation governing this, but I believe such marking is recommended but voluntary. However, I recall some packaging instructions many years ago that specified a circumference of the opening of 14 inches, which would seem credible in relation to the size of a small

Kapton Insulation

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Again venturing way beyond where I should, I have been asked about the use of Kapton (as a wire insulation on Ethernet cables) in human-occupied spaces. Has anyone heard of any kind of prohibition of using Kapton materials due to hazardous outgassing or degradation products? Are there any

RE: safety sticker on plastic bags

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Shawn, How about some details as to the standard or regulation that specifies this requirement? This would make it easier to discuss the requirement details. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427

safety sticker on plastic bags

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello All, I believe there is a requirement that requires to have a safety sticker on plastic bags above a certain size warning that childrens could suffocate themselves with these bags. Do you know the size of a bag that would require such a sticker and the text required ? Thanks in

RE: LISN

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Grace, I'm not sure what setup standard you use for Conducted Emissions, but in ANSI C63.4-2001 section 6.1.4 figure 10a (3.3), it states that the LISN has to be within 80cm of the nearest part of the EUT chassis. So for table top products where the table top is 80cm above the ground plane, the

RE: BS EN 60950-1:2006 clause 2.7 numbering

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello Brian, Thanks for that - I have discovered from a fellow lister why it was and it seems that BSI misprinted this part of the standard which has since been amended by a corrigendum which I am about to purchase. The 'Number and location of protective devices' clause was numbered 2.7.3 and

RE: Size of HCP per ESD

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
More food for thought: If you examine the ESD setup for Floor mounted equipment (product sitting 100mm above a ground reference plane (GRP)), it is the same setup as for 61000-4-6 conducted immunity and 61000-4-4 Fast Transients. I understand that there is a movement toward making this setup

RE: BS EN 60950-1:2006 clause 2.7 numbering

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Looking at UL60950-1 2d ED, I note the existence of clause 2.7.4 [Number and location of protective devices], and do not find the void statement after 2.7.1. The UL std states NOTE In the member countries of CENELEC, the protective devices necessary to comply with the requirements of 5.3 must,

Re: Air conditioner EMI test(CISPR 14-1)

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I believe that load terminals only applies if your product passes power out to another devices, such as in a battery charger, rectifier or converter. If you air conditioner has no remote electronic controls you do not apply the tests for load terminals. Ted Eckert American Power Conversion/MGE

LISN

2007-10-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Members: I am looking some knowledge and availability of LISNs mounted beneath a turntable in a semi-anechoic chamber with 18 raised floor. Turntable mounted LISNs make the chamber look much neat. It take more effort to remove them for calibration. There are all I know. Could you please