1) Also to mention, a US standard for AGV's and related equipment in the
industrial area:
ANSI B56.5 Safety Standard for Guided Industrial Vehicles and Automated
Functions of Manned Industrial Vehicles
This standard is available (free?) from its publisher, the Industrial Truck
Standards
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Very interesting, but I have a different view on this that is not science
fiction or left to academia.
If you use risk analysis or hazard based safety engineering, you can assess
hazards to a point where risks are tolerable or not by setting limits
Safety Standarads
Mr Nix is a member of TC184, so will defer to his comments on industrial
robotic safety as authoritative. The following comments are for those of us
that do not have Mr. Nix's background.
The OP referenced mobile robotic (software) safety for a non-technical
(residential
Mr Nix is a member of TC184, so will defer to his comments on industrial
robotic safety as authoritative. The following comments are for those of us
that do not have Mr. Nix's background.
The OP referenced mobile robotic (software) safety for a non-technical
(residential ?) environment.
ISO10218
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, such as programmable safety zones which are intended
to replace hard stops and axis limit switches on these machines. The
safety related parts of these robots, including the programmable limit
controller, are typically qualified to ISO 13849-1 PLd or PLe, roughly
equivalent to ISO 61508-1 SIL-2 or SIL
In message 000a01caee01$d1d29fa0$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Fri, 7
May 2010, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes:
Ultimately, there will be no autonomous mobile system for home use, any
more advanced than the Roomba, that can have any deterministic software
safety until we have
for the 'progression'
through each law. It was never explained where the data would come from or how
the data would be qualified. So we had a very interesting mathematical model
for robot safety without any way to populate with data.
The problems with robot software safety is that there is no 'safe' data model
standards you
can apply.
Best regards,
Ron Wellman, NCE, RAC
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Ladies, Gentlemen,
Safety from mobile robots
Hello Robert,
The IEEE Computer Society does some work in this area. There have been
articles in their magazine Intelligent Systems covering general robotic
safety for autonomous systems. The following link has its own hyperlink to
some articles for consideration.
http://researchnews.osu.edu
Ladies, Gentlemen,
Safety from mobile robots operating within a non-technical group of users
are/will be of concern to agencies, companies, and individuals involved in
this industry. I've been tasked with seeking information about such Safety
Standards - find standards, contact organizations
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Betreff: RE: mandatory safety regulations for machines in Thailand?
Might depend on your definition of machines
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p
Might depend on your definition of machines
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Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:12 AM
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Subject: mandatory safety regulations for machines in Thailand?
Hi Experts,
does anybody
Hi Experts,
does anybody knows if mandatory safety regulations for machines are existing
in Thailand?
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer
Managing Director
Regulatory Affairs Specialist
Das neue Buch zum Thema Product Compliance:
http://tinyurl.com
Good info. Thanks to all that replied.
Cheers,
Christine
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Subject: RE: NiMH ( nickel-metal hydride cell) Battery Safety
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ICAO, 49 CFR 173 for FAA/DOT, Transport Canada, and a myriad array of
national regulations. Bing/Google is your friend - I am not...
For marks - maybe the scoped product safety standard/directive - just a
wild guess.
For speculation - do not use aluminum foil to prevent space-alien mind
control
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Sent: 04 May 2010 09:45
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Group,
With all the recent issues regarding battery explosions, overheating, etc.,
are there any recent changes
Group,
With all the recent issues regarding battery explosions, overheating, etc.,
are there any recent changes with battery safety for ITE products?
In particular, we are shipping a NiMH battery in a Listed OEM ITE product. The
listing entity is not quite our favorite one and has made
All,
The scheduled April 28th NPSS meeting is cancelled.
We will be having our May dinner meeting on May 26th featuring a speaker
from the Consumer Product Safety Commission. The speaker’s topic and
bios will soon be available on the NPSS web site.
If you or anyone you know would like to give
a counterpart to this
position in another part of the business.
Regards,
Nick Momcilovic
Product Compliance Lead Engineer
GE Healthcare
Magnetic Resonance
Product Safety Engineer
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Date Posted: 09 April 2010
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Graphics (in well
In message 002501cad660$c4bd5f70$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Wed, 7
Apr 2010, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes:
The scope statement seems to indicate that 62477 is intended to codify
the overlap between 60364, 60050, and a product family safety standard.
You didn't mean 60050
Thanks very much to Mr. Woodgate for the scope.
The scope statement seems to indicate that 62477 is intended to codify the
overlap between 60364, 60050, and a product family safety standard.
Will 62477 be a normative ref, similar to the way 60664-x is referenced; or is
it intended to be like
voltage not
exceeding 1 000 V a.c. or 1 500 V d.c.
This International Standard:
• establishes a common terminology for safety aspects relating to
power semiconductor converter systems (PSCS)
• establishes requirements for the co-ordination of safety aspects of
interrelated parts within a PSCS
The standard seems to be in vote. Could someone point me to the scope
statement for 62477 ?
I am looking forward to serving the dark overlord of the Grand Unified
Standard for Product Safety.
Brian
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jim.eich...@ca.schneider
There is also an effort under way to write an IEC Group Safety Function (ie
horizontal) standard for safety of power conversion equipment, IEC 62477.
This effort will create a common basis for product family and product specific
power conversion standards, and for power conversion requirements
Ralph,
Thanks for asking...
I agree with you that there needs to be consolidation of the
technical requirements for safety standards.
The IEC is replete with standards covering the basic issues -
allowable limits for electric shock protection, insulation
Hi
APC India currently has an opening for a safety compliance engineer in
Bangalore India. If you know of someone please ask that they forward their
resume to me. I will then forward their resume to the proper person in India.
The candidate should have some prior compliance work experience
Fellow listers,
For a Monday smile, or perhaps a knowing grimace, check out Dilbert's
exchange with his boss about Product Safety Testing:
http://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/product-testing/id281458653?i=81210706
--
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IEEE Engineering Human Environment Joint Chapter
All,
There will be a Northeast Product Safety Society / CNEC Product Safety
Engineering Society meeting today, March 24th, at the Holiday Inn,
Boxborough MA. A social hour with light refreshments will begin at 7:00
PM and the technical meeting will start at 7:30 PM. Tom Revesz, EMC
Sales
All,
There will be a Northeast Product Safety Society / CNEC Product Safety
Engineering Society meeting next Wednesday, March 24th, at the Holiday
Inn, Boxborough MA. A social hour with light refreshments will begin at
7:00 PM and the technical meeting will start at 7:30 PM. Tom Revesz,
EMC
TÜV SÜD America Inc., a global leader in product safety, regulatory affairs and
certification, has immediate openings in Peabody, Massachusetts for a:
Certification Engineer – Product Safety
Responsibilities include, but are not limited to:
* Obtain and maintain various
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Is there any defined path for, or any restriction on, designing safety/hazard
symbols where no such symbol yet exists?
Is there any restriction on using existing symbols developed for one
particular product type, on a totally different product type? The symbol I
have in mind is the “For indoor
All,
There will be a Northeast Product Safety Society / CNEC Product Safety
Engineering Society meeting on Wednesday, March 24th, at the Holiday Inn,
Boxborough MA. A social hour with light refreshments will begin at 7:00 PM
and the technical meeting will start at 7:30 PM. Tom Revesz, EMC
, March 02, 2010 6:45 PM
To: Pettit, Ghery; John M Woodgate; EMC-PSTC
Subject: Re: [PSES] Toyota -- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety
I think I recall that video from years ago. If so, I thought it came in high
and stayed high when it should have touched down on pavement WAY earlier
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Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 7:38:03 PM
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This has
-- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety
I believe aircraft (at least, fighters) had a War Emergency throttle setting
that was accessed by breaking some glass by pushing the throttle (and prop and
mixture?) forward extra hard. A give it all it's got, to heck with
longevity setting
Woodgate
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dated Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com writes
video of the crash. Not good.
So the computer crashed the plane from level flight to prevent it
stalling and crashing. But the performance envelope limits surely have a
'safety factor' built in, so the plane might not have stalled if the
pilots tried to gain JUST enough height, not pulled
-- Comment on Software and Electronics for Safety
I remember that video and it seemed to me, a layman, that the aircraft was in
a flared attitude as it would be just before touchdown. It looked to me as if
it intentionally landed well past the end of the runway, into the trees. To
climb
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This has been well discussed in aviation circles. The fly by wire systems
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Ralph,
When you get into designing things for the FAA, depending on the
criticality of the system, it becomes almost impossible to use any CPU
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It seems to me that the 'wrong position' is difficult to define and equally
difficult to protect against. Would a watch-dog circuit always
/2010 12:33 PM
Subject:Re: [PSES] Toyota -- Comment on Software and Electronics for
Safety
Brian,
Several years ago, in a workshop at one of the first Product Safety'
Engineering Society (PSES) symposiums, the question came up: How can
you certify
Brian,
Several years ago, in a workshop at one of the first Product Safety
Engineering Society (PSES) symposiums, the question came up: How can
you certify software for safety-critical applications?
One of the people in the audience answered Treat the software as a
switch with two positions
All,
There will be a Northeast Product Safety Society / CNEC Product Safety
Engineering Society meeting tomorrow, February 24th, at the Holiday Inn,
Boxborough MA. A social hour with light refreshments will begin at 7:00
PM and the technical meeting will start at 7:30 PM. Tom Savino, Senior
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of all the old problems and claims to have solved them.
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All of us
I'm going to sound like a broken record here, but are folks aware of the
destruction that compressed air can cause?
Somewhere I have a picture of what happened when an oil installation in
China was being safety tested with compress air rather than water... A
pipe flange failed You would
those of my
employer.
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rosoft.com, dated Fri, 19
) 650-5261
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:54:00 +
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Subject: Re: Safety requirements for schools
In message
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rosoft.com, dated Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Ted
GOOD THING.
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Ghery S. Pettit
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Walton lfresea
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Ah yes, high school chemistry also back in the early 60s. That takes me
back as well from trying to put out ignited
because it's so much safer.
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All of us who have lit the test tube with hydrogen... and heard the
squeak, wonder about Hydrogen in cars I wonder about the sanity
of folks sometimes!
It's weekend, Y'all have a great one.
Derek Walton
L F Research.
On 2/19/2010 1:17 PM, James, Chris
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety requirements for schools
Group,
This discussion brings back some old memories for me as well from my
Chemistry Class in the early 1960's. One day, the teacher took a beaker
didn't blow up the school and all my classmates.
sorry just had to comment.
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Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:07 PM
To: PSNet
Subject: Safety requirements for schools
PSNet,
As part of some technical committee
mist of water vapour in it, to general
acclaim.
Kids miss out on SO much these measly days of 'health and safety'.
Latest daft 'hs' thing in Britain - kids banned from using swimming
goggles on the grounds that they need to learn to cope with wet faces.
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Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:18 PM
To: Larry Stillings
Cc: Pete Perkins; PSNet
Subject: Re: Safety requirements for schools
That was common practise in my day. It was our chemistry master who
went one better while
, fortunately the
student
didn't blow up the school and all my classmates.
sorry just had to comment.
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From: Pete Perkins [mailto:peperkin...@cs.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:07 PM
To: PSNet
Subject: Safety requirements for schools
PSNet,
As part
On 2/18/2010, Pete Perkins wrote:
As part of some technical committee work we are doing it would be
helpful if anyone could share knowledge of safety requirements in
secondary
schools (junior-high, middle, or high schools), especially as they might
relate
Javor
Verzonden: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:47 AM
Aan: Untitled
Onderwerp: Re: Safety requirements for schools
Re chemistry sets and blowing things up. One of Derek's countrymen, from
years back, was Frederick T. Jane, of Jane's Fighting Ships fame. As a young
man, he was but an indifferent
...@complianceworldwide.com
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Subject: Re: Safety requirements for schools
Loosing hair on your arms, eyebrows is all part of growing up... There
are generations growing up that have had no fun.
It's a shame. I couldn't find a chemistry
]
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:07 PM
To: PSNet
Subject: Safety requirements for schools
PSNet,
As part of some technical committee work we are doing it would be
helpful if anyone could share knowledge of safety requirements in secondary
schools (junior-high, middle, or high
, February 18, 2010 6:07 PM
To: PSNet
Subject: Safety requirements for schools
PSNet,
As part of some technical committee work we are doing it would be
helpful if anyone could share knowledge of safety requirements in secondary
schools (junior-high, middle, or high schools), especially
Pete,
This may not be of any use to you, but you might like to be aware of
the following if you are not already:
BS 4163:2007 Health and safety for design and technology in schools
and similar establishments - Code of practice
Regards
Nick.
At 15:07 -0800 18/2/10, Pete Perkins wrote
PSNet,
As part of some technical committee work we are doing it would be
helpful if anyone could share knowledge of safety requirements in secondary
schools (junior-high, middle, or high schools), especially as they might
relate to educational use of laboratory or test equipment.
br
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Group,
Can anyone recommend (off-list responses welcome, if you are uncomfortable) a
consultant(s) to help a med device mfr with transition to IEC/EN/ANSI 60601-1
3rd Ed. and also with choosing a non-UL NRTL for US safety work?
Thanks,
Bryce
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Subject: safety symbols
Anyone know of a symbol conveying “do not use in sunshine” or “not for
use in sunshine”, as opposed perhaps to using the conventional “use
indoors only” house and arrow
Anyone know of a symbol conveying “do not use in sunshine” or “not for
use in sunshine”, as opposed perhaps to using the conventional “use
indoors only” house and arrow symbol?
Thanks,
Chris
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All,
There will be a Northeast Product Safety Society / CNEC Product Safety
Engineering Society meeting on Wednesday, February 24th, at the Holiday
Inn, Boxborough MA. A social hour with light refreshments will begin at
7:00 PM and the technical meeting will start at 7:30 PM. Tom Savino,
Senior
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Subject: Re: Electrical safety training courses (UK)
Ian,
Some 6 years ago at a previous company, I asked Jimmy Tzimenakis from Sony UK
to present a 3-day course on 61010-1 and the LVD.
He presented a two-day course aimed at engineers/developers and a 1/2
known book 'Electrical Product Safety'.
I believe he is still available for courses, but I have lost his contact
details, however he is on Linkedin - ht
p://uk.linkedin.com/pub/jimmy-tzimenakis/4/70/245
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/jimmy-tzimenakis/4/70/245 .
Best Regards,
Dave Coleman AIIRSM
SELEX
Ian
Don't know of anything specific to 61010-1 but try these from ERA (now Cobham)
Practical Implementation of a Product Safety Strategy
http://shop.era.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=1325
I attended this when I was at ERA, and it gives you a good understanding of
how to approach equipment
Try the IET for training providers
Regards,
Chris
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Dear Group,
Does anybody know of a UK based training course covering the electrical safety
of products? In particular I am interested in IEC/EN 61010-1 and the EU Low
Voltage directive?
Many thanks in anticipation of your responses.
Ian Unwin
Servomex Group Limited, Jarvis Brook
Dear All,
I am interested to know the country you are in and the price you have been
paying to gain your Mexico NOM safety certifications for ITE without having
to send samples to Mexico.
For those who write me privately, I will compile the list and distribute it to
the group to ensure
All,
The scheduled January 27th NPSS meeting is cancelled.
If you or anyone you know would like to give a product safety technical
presentation, please contact Steve Brody by email at
steven.br...@brooks.com. A technical presentation should be 45 to 60
minutes in duration and be related
a counterpart to this
position in another part of the business.
Regards,
Nick Momcilovic
Standards Compliance/Certification Lead Engineer
GE Healthcare
Magnetic Resonance
Product Safety Engineer
Job Number: 1081929
Date Posted: 20 January 2009
Function: Engineering/Technology - Product
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Onderwerp: RE: Language of safety instructions
Hi Kim,
And I found the UPDATED German Law (the English version) that states clearly
this requirement;
The link is: http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/GPSG.htm#s5
And Go to Chapter 2
Bringing Products
The quote from IEC 60950-1 states ... instructions and equipment
marking related to safety...
Note the restriction to just those related to SAFETY.
To avoid the requirement for multi-lingual instructions and markings,
design the equipment such that it does not need such instructions
and markings
and Display
Where it is specified: ” … instructions for use in German must be supplied
when it is brought into circulation.”.
Respectfully yours,
Constantin
Constantin Bolintineanu P.Eng.
TYCO SAFETY PRODUCTS CANADA
3301 LANGSTAFF Road, L4K 4L2
CONCORD, ONTARIO, CANADA
e-mail: cbolintine
I can’t give you a reference from EN 61010 or EN 60825-1 , but I can
approach the issue from a different direction.
IEC 60950-1 section 1.7.2.1 covers general information for safety instructions
and marking for ITE. Note 4 in particular indicates that Germany requires the
translation
Hi Kim,
Within one of the Annexes of the 60950 Standard regarding National Deviations,
used to be specified as follows:
Germany ( Gesetz über technische Arbeitsmittel (Gerätesicherheitsgesetz) [
Law on technical labour equipment{Equipment safety law}], of 23rd October
1992, Article 3, 3rd
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In the case of the LVD, there is a requirement to provide safety instructions
to the user. It doesn’t specifically mention translations (yet) but note
well that the directive has been published in all the official languages of
the EU and it is the local
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Hello Kim,
I don't find this request unreasonable, to translate documentation into a
local language, but to say the CE marking is invalid because you do not
translate safety documentation into German is news to me. You need to ask your
source where
This is a grey area. At least it was when I checked a few years ago.
The LVD directive 73/23/EC(obsolete) and 2006/95/EC do not
explicitly mention translation. Some standards
mention that safety instructions are published in one of the official
languages,
and some require
It’s a requirement of:
DIRECTIVE 2001/95/EC - general product safety
Chris
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kim Boll Jensen
Sent: 20 November 2009 09:31
To: EMC PSTC
Subject: Language of safety instructions
Hi all
We
Hi all
We have been met with requirements from Germany that all safety information
shall be in German, or else the CE marking is invalid. The product is a laser
product under the following standards; EN 60825 and EN 61010. None of these
standards have any requirements like
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