Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread Charlie Blackham
number 05466247 From: Kevin J Harris <kevin.3.har...@jci.com> Sent: 04 May 2018 18:00 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training. Hello I am looking recommendations for companies (preferably in North America) that can provide training in pr

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread Brian O'Connell
to your category and class of equipment after classroom discussions covering the physics of test standard requirements. Brian From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 10:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Allen
Hi Kevin, The Product Safety Engineering Society (PSES) is having our annual Symposium this month. Many Product Safety and Certification subjects are on the program. Including a 62368-1 Open forum with the guys that created it, implemented it and use it daily!! Here's the link - http

Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread John Woodgate
recommendations for companies (preferably in North America) that can provide training in product safety testing and evaluation to engineers who are beginning their career. Ideally the training would concentrate on IEC 62368-1 Kind regards Kevin

[PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training.

2018-05-04 Thread Kevin J Harris
Hello I am looking recommendations for companies (preferably in North America) that can provide training in product safety testing and evaluation to engineers who are beginning their career. Ideally the training would concentrate on IEC 62368-1 Kind regards Kevin

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Richard Nute
Pete Perkins said: "Historically, the HV impulse tests applied are safety tests." Safety-wise, HV tests of safeguard insulations are to determine that the safeguard insulations will withstand the normally-occurring transient voltages that occur on the mains circuits. I wou

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Peter Tarver
(combo and ring). Peter Tarver From: Scott Aldous Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 08:33 Hi James, The UL safety standard for PV inverters, UL 1741, makes normative reference to IEEE 1547 and IEEE 1547.1 in Section 46. IEEE 1547.1, in clause 5.5 on interconnection integrity, makes normative

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Douglas Smith
t properly operates when it should. Expect more such testing. You can search for the recent paper I did with students where we were able to ‘trick’ the GFCI into tripping when it shouldn’t; ‘nuisance’ tripping in action. Historically, the HV impulse tests applied are safety tests. These tests w

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Scott Aldous
Hi James, The UL safety standard for PV inverters, UL 1741, makes normative reference to IEEE 1547 and IEEE 1547.1 in Section 46. IEEE 1547.1, in clause 5.5 on interconnection integrity, makes normative reference to IEEE C37.90.2, which has test requirements for withstand capability to radiated

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Pete Perkins
rick' the GFCI into tripping when it shouldn't; 'nuisance' tripping in action. Historically, the HV impulse tests applied are safety tests. These tests were given to the EMC lab engineers as the safety engineers, in those days, didn't provide much lab availability or experi

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
Hello all, Thanks for all the interesting replies, much appreciated. All the best James From: Gert Gremmen; ce-test <g.grem...@cetest.nl> Sent: 21 March 2018 11:07 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards The EMC tests as

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread John Woodgate
Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-03-21 11:07, Gert Gremmen; ce-test wrote: The EMC tests as called out in 60335  are safety tests, contrary to those called out under the EMCD that are functional tests only. For Europe , one can discuss about

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-21 Thread Gert Gremmen; ce-test
The EMC tests as called out in 60335  are safety tests, contrary to those called out under the EMCD that are functional tests only. For Europe , one can discuss about the necessity of those tests, as the EMCD  requires testing in all operating modes including OFF or standby and  as long as one

[PSES] AW: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-20 Thread Dürrer Bernd
regards, Bernd Von: James Pawson (U3C) [mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk] Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. März 2018 10:28 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards Hello experts, I note that EN 60335-1 (household and similar appliances) specifically calls

Re: [PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-20 Thread John Woodgate
One would normally expect immunity to be covered in a product-family performance standard applying to the whole family, which would be a TC59 publication in this case. But such a standard does not exist; however there is a product-family safety standard applying to the whole family, which

[PSES] EMC tests called up in Safety standards

2018-03-20 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
an see why this would be a concern. A couple of questions / thoughts: * It sounds like this at least doubles the amount of immunity testing required - one with the EUT "on" and one with it "off". Would that be how you read this? * Are there any other safety

[PSES] Battery Safety Expert

2018-03-06 Thread John Allen
Hi, We’re looking for a battery safety expert to join us on a project. They need to be very current on high performance lithium-ion packs as the current best practices lead the standards a bit. Please contact me directly. Best Regards, John John Allen Product Safety Consulting, Inc

Re: [PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 Basic Safety and Essential Performance Pass/Fail Criteria

2017-12-30 Thread Leo Eisner
labs don’t question when no EP in most cases (both EMC and safety labs - both client cases we are even talking top tier safety test labs). Second as mentioned earlier a Risk Analysis needs to be done as part of the manufacturers test plan (the mfr knows their product better than any test

Re: [PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 Basic Safety and Essential Performance Pass/Fail Criteria

2017-12-30 Thread John Woodgate
informative) that following information should be present as suggested minimum test plan content)_ __ 3 Description of the BASIC SAFETY and ESSENTIALPERFORMANCE including a description how the BASIC SAFETY and ESSENTIAL PERFORMANCE will be monitored against the pass/fail criteria during each

Re: [PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 Basic Safety and Essential Performance Pass/Fail Criteria

2017-12-30 Thread Bart De Geeter
of a test plan. Annex G states (although informative) that following information should be present as suggested minimum test plan content) 3 Description of the BASIC SAFETY and ESSENTIALPERFORMANCE including a description how the BASIC SAFETY and ESSENTIAL PERFORMANCE will be monitored against

Re: [PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 Basic Safety and Essential Performance Pass/Fail Criteria

2017-12-30 Thread Jim Bacher
the standards did apply to them. So when a company tells me their product does not require safety certification I get nervous. I usually tell them going through a safety certification is cheap insurance. Then explain the cost of recalls and how a safety certification can help prevent a recall. Jim Bacher

[PSES] IEC 60601-1-2: 2014 Basic Safety and Essential Performance Pass/Fail Criteria

2017-12-27 Thread itl-emc user group
Hello A manufacturer of medical equipment has declared that his device has no basic safety or essential requirements. During ESD testing, the device stopped working after Air Discharges of ±15 kV were applied. Is this regarded as a failure according to the standard? No Part 2 particular Safety

Re: [PSES] Safety Testing Sotware

2017-12-24 Thread Doug Powell
systems into the factory for > my employer's large magnetic stuff. > > Brian > > > From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:30 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: [PSES] Safety Testing Sotware > > All, >

Re: [PSES] Safety Testing Software

2017-12-20 Thread Dan Roman
of my products through that line. __ Dan Roman, N.C.E. Senior Member IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 12:30 PM

Re: [PSES] Safety Testing Sotware

2017-12-20 Thread Brian O'Connell
will be to put Type Test systems into the factory for my employer's large magnetic stuff. Brian From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 9:30 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Safety Testing Sotware All, Am aware of several EMC testing software

[PSES] Safety Testing Sotware

2017-12-20 Thread Doug Powell
All, Am aware of several EMC testing software packages available. Today, I am curious to know if you use automated software for safety type testing (engineering tests). I am also aware of solutions intended for high volume production line testing. From my experience it seems that the most

[PSES] Rationale for product safety standards

2017-12-07 Thread Richard Nute
s from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE

[PSES] SV: [PSES] Taiwan - EMC and electrical safety test lab

2017-12-03 Thread Amund Westin
-emission.no] Sent: 04 December 2017 01:01 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Taiwan - EMC and electrical safety test lab In Scandinavia: One day in EMC chamber and 1 day for other EMC testing can be to a cost of EUR 4.000 IEC60950-1 on a 12V

Re: [PSES] Taiwan - EMC and electrical safety test lab

2017-12-03 Thread Balmukund Vyas
Well, for those interested, We are a UKAS accredited lab (since 1999) in India and can provide far more faster and cost effective EMC and safety testing services. Can see our UKAS Schedule on UKAS website. https://www.ukas.com/wp-content/uploads/schedule_uploads/2/2437Testing%20Single.pdf

[PSES] Taiwan - EMC and electrical safety test lab

2017-12-03 Thread Amund Westin
? Is it faster access to the test labs? Thanks. Best regards Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <em

Re: [PSES] Safety Link - has changed

2017-11-14 Thread Dan Roman
. __ Dan Roman, N.C.E. Senior Member IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society <mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org> mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 4:04 PM To: EM

Re: [PSES] Safety Link - has changed

2017-11-14 Thread Pete Perkins
PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:04 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG S

Re: [PSES] Safety Link - has changed

2017-11-14 Thread Doug Powell
info? I thought > I did but cannot find it at the moment. > > > > ______ > Dan Roman, N.C.E. > > Senior Member > > IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > > mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org <dan.ro...@ieee.org&g

[PSES] Safety Link - has changed

2017-11-14 Thread Doug Powell
All, For a number of years I have used a website that now seems to be retired and recycled. Safety Link was great resource and is now a company working in Fall Protection. You can see the changes at archive.org - Old: ​ https://web.archive.org/web/20170711180031/http

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-25 Thread Regan Arndt
21:20 > > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency > approvals > > > > All fluxed up! > > > > With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only > > www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread John Allen
Velly Good J From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 September 2017 21:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals All fluxed up! With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only <h

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread John Woodgate
Friday, September 22, 2017 9:05 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals And, as an example of “sorting” a supplier, we began to get hipot failures on a product and tracked it down to a simple IEC power outlet which was flashing

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread John Allen
Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals Back when I was working… For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec). For purchased parts, the drawing was a cut and paste of the part manufacturer’s spec. This drawing equated our part number

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread John Allen
: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals Back when I was working… For each of our part numbers, we had a drawing (spec). For purchased parts, the drawing was a cut and paste of the part manufacturer’s spec. This drawing equated our part number to the manufactur

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Regan Arndt
inspectors could find no deficiencies. Sigh. Rich *From:* Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 5:44 AM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals We address this possible i

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Richard Nute
, 2017 5:44 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals We address this possible issue in two ways. 1. We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
. That’s usually when I say goodbye and pick an alternative. -Dave From: John Allen [mailto:09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:48 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals Datasheets

Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Regan Arndt
nar...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 9:48 AM *To:* Kunde, Brian *Cc:* EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org *Subject:* [BULK] Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals *Importance:* Low Thanks Brian. That's great you do this. Can you share any examples of where they have

Re: [PSES] [BULK] Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Kunde, Brian
Brian From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:48 AM To: Kunde, Brian Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Subject: [BULK] Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals Importance: Low Thanks Brian. That's great you do this. Can you share

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Regan Arndt
he certification markings that are on Safety Critical Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”. When parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the certification markings on the parts match the print. If they are different, the parts are rejected until

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-22 Thread Kunde, Brian
We address this possible issue in two ways. 1. We list the certification markings that are on Safety Critical Components on our purchase print as “incoming inspection requirements”. When parts are received, our IQA department visually verifies that the certification markings

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-21 Thread John Allen
AND, as I should have said, obtained up-to-date copies of the certification docs! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 September 2017 21:39 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-21 Thread John Allen
] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals I have run into this a lot: I don't have any specific example part numbers saved, but often I will be given a datasheet that claims certification with a certain NRTL standard but I can't validate it online. When asked, the manufacturer

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-21 Thread IBM Ken
at the component is > approved but in reality, it is not. > > > Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share? > > > P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples > before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting. > &g

[PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-21 Thread Regan Arndt
that the component is approved but in reality, it is not. Has anyone experienced anything recently that they wish to share? P.S. I am updating my old safety presentation and need some good examples before I present again to our local IEEE chapter meeting. Thanks for sharing whatever you can. (privately

[PSES] Why higher value for DC in SELV - Electrical Shock Safety Criteria"

2017-09-13 Thread mickm
A paper and thoughtful discussions by G. Biegelmeier are in the "Electrical Shock Safety Criteria: Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Electrical Shock Safety Criteria" publication. Regards M

Re: [PSES] Why higher value for DC in SELV - Electrical Shock Safety Criteria"

2017-09-12 Thread Pete Perkins
not aware if it is publicly available, like the earlier symposium – which you unearthed. If someone finds this later work, let us all know. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tiga

[PSES] Why higher value for DC in SELV - Electrical Shock Safety Criteria"

2017-09-06 Thread mickm
After some internet searching I found the complete, 350 page, "Electrical Shock Safety Criteria: Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Electrical Shock Safety Criteria" by M. Vainberg (Author), J. E. Bridges (Editor), G. L. Ford (Editor), I. A. Sherman (Editor)

[PSES] IEEE Product Safety Society Newsletters published from 1999 to 2005

2017-09-05 Thread Vincent Lee
  Hi all, Good evening, After visited the website, http://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/newsletters.html, I noticed that IEEE Product Safety Society Newsletters published from 1999 to 2005 were not available. May I know does anyone know where they are located from access ? Hope to hear from you soon

[PSES] Why higher value for DC in SELV - Electrical Shock Safety Criteria"

2017-09-03 Thread mickm
At http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780080253992500187 I found Electrical Shock Safety Criteria Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Electrical Shock Safety Criteria 1985, Pages 173–181 DYNAMIC ASPECTS OF BODY IMPEDANCE Richard Nute Tektronix, Inc

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2017-04-24 Thread Steli Loznen
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Re: [PSES] [External] Re: [PSES] Product Safety on refrigeration compressors and related products

2017-04-13 Thread Wiseman, Joshua E UTC CCS
liance with Taylor Company policies and standards and to protect our business. --- From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:14 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [External] Re: [PSES] Product Safet

Re: [PSES] Product Safety on refrigeration compressors and related products

2017-04-13 Thread John Woodgate
mon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Vincent Lee [mailto:08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Product Safety on refrigeration

[PSES] Product Safety on refrigeration compressors and related products

2017-04-12 Thread Vincent Lee
Hi all, Good day, 1) May I know what are some of the product safety standards for refrigeration compressors and related products ? 2) What are some of the common safety risk or hazards posed by refrigeration compressors and related products?  3) And how to test and mitigate such risk ? Hope

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters ooops 61204-7

2017-02-03 Thread Pete Perkins
Ralph, Oooops... my fumble fingers typo error... Try IEC 61204-7, Low-voltage switch mode power supplies - Part 7: Safety requirements. Ed 2 is just coming out; the FDIS was voted in last fall. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Saf

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-02 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
); • low voltage stabilized d.c. power supplies It doesn't mention inverters used in vehicles, but I think the principles of electrical safety in this standard would apply equally well to a small, 12V inverter. Ralph McDiarmid Product Compliance Engineering Solar Business Schneider Electric From

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-02 Thread Pete Perkins
Ralph, et al, Thanx to Bostjan for this reference. IEC 62477-1 Safety requirements for power electronic converter systems and equipment - Part 1: General. Or IEC 61207-7 Ed 2 (based upon 62477-1) Low-voltage switch mode power supplies - Part 7: Safety

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-02 Thread John Woodgate
7 9:03 AM To: John Woodgate <jmw1...@btinternet.com> Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Subject: Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters What about IEC 62109-2 with emphasis on standalone (i.e. not grid-connected)? Regards, Adam in Atlanta adam.di...@ieee.org <mailto:adam.di...@ieee.org&g

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-02 Thread Boštjan Glavič
What about IEC 62477-1: Safety requirements for power electronic converter systems and equipment - Part 1: General With kind regards,   Boštjan Glavič Head of Laboratory Safety and Electromagnetics   phone +386 1 4778 265 SIQ Ljubljana - Trzaska cesta 2 - 1000 Ljubljana - Slovenia - www.siq.si

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-02 Thread Adam Dixon
What about IEC 62109-2 with emphasis on standalone (i.e. not grid-connected)? Regards, Adam in Atlanta adam.di...@ieee.org IEC 62109-2:2011 Safety of power converters for use in photovoltaic power systems - Part 2: Particular requirements for inverters On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 2:31 AM, John

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-01 Thread John Woodgate
. -Original Message- From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters Dear group, I am looking for suggestions on best-fit product safety

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-01 Thread Ted Eckert
this at home. The scenario presented above may be a dramatic reenactment. -Original Message- From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:37 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

Re: [PSES] safety standard - mobile inverters

2017-02-01 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Dear group, I am looking for suggestions on best-fit product safety standard for LVD for a 230V inverter intended for vehicular use only. (buses & small trucks) Test lab suggests EN60950, which I dismissed. EN50178 and EN60335-1 don’t appear to be suitable. I’m really looking for an

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread john Allen
J (well, sort of!) From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 February 2017 22:17 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? You are correct, I recall in 1995 when the VP of Engineering at my company back then obtained a copy of a few

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread Doug Powell
You are correct, I recall in 1995 when the VP of Engineering at my company back then obtained a copy of a few safety standards and attempted to outline and distill requirements for our products. He felt he could make quick work of it but was soon overwhelmed. As it turns out

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread john Allen
” and understanding them…….” John E Allen. From: john Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 01 February 2017 21:59 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? Doug I don’t doubt that when you become very familiar with the IEC TRF

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread john Allen
From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 February 2017 21:13 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? ​​ John, Interesting that I am in the USA and having cut my compliance teeth on the IECEE TRF format, I actually prefer it to other

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread john Allen
EEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? Good, but you need the slogan, so people remember. 'Compliance 101' is neutral and boring. It could be DESIGN IT IN! but maybe someone can produce a better one. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only <http://www.jmwa.dem

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread Doug Powell
that a safety lab engineer is any better at this is not necessarily true either. I've had opportunity to review the work of many and often find errors and omissions. I think the prevailing idea for generating these IEC report forms is to diagram each phrase found in the standard and break it out

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread John Woodgate
odgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:34 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? This is what the Compliance 101 Track is all about!! Lear

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread John Allen
, I'd be happy to talk to any corporation, free of charge about how we can help make Certifications easier and more cost effective. Best Regards, John John Allen | President Product Safety Consulting, Inc. Your Outsourced Compliance Department www.productsafetyinc.com<h

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread John Woodgate
ttp://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:07 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? I

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread John Allen
I think (from bitter experience over many years!) that one of the biggest problems that the “do it yourself” safety compliance report company encounters is that most people who do that first then try to use the IEC Test Report Forms (TRF), but find that the format and content of those, and what

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread Dan Roman
MemberPSES/EMCS/cesdan.ro...@ieee.org Original message From: "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" <g.grem...@cetest.nl> Date: 2/1/17 4:22 AM (GMT-05:00) To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? I

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Installation and safety documentation might be needed. If the battery is chargeable and a power supply is included it needs verification of its documentation and needs reinforced insulation, both mechanically and electrically, as the secondary "live parts" are rarely earthed in these type o

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-02-01 Thread John Woodgate
Curtis McNamara [mailto:mcnam...@umn.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? A client is asking if it is practical to do their own 60950 safety reports for CE. The device is battery powered, low power RF (they woul

Re: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-01-31 Thread Brian O'Connell
McNamara [mailto:mcnam...@umn.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 3:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Do it yourself safety reports? A client is asking if it is practical to do their own 60950 safety reports for CE. The device is battery powered, low power RF (they would have

[PSES] Do it yourself safety reports?

2017-01-31 Thread Curtis McNamara
A client is asking if it is practical to do their own 60950 safety reports for CE. The device is battery powered, low power RF (they would have complete EMC testing done at a lab). Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Thanks for all the great past advice! Curt

Re: [PSES] Safety tests of transformers

2017-01-19 Thread John Woodgate
: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:31 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Safety tests of transformers LVD testing of transformers are according to the EN 61558 series. Which subpart will apply for an oil filled isolation transformer? EN

[PSES] Safety tests of transformers

2017-01-19 Thread Amund Westin
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Re: [PSES] ROHS vs. Safety critical products (SIL, etc)

2017-01-16 Thread Kunde, Brian
Amund, I don't think you can apply Exemptions to the RoHS directive across the definition of "Safety Critical Products" unless your product clearly falls within the exempt equipment called out in Article 2 paragraph 4. Parts of your product or components can fall under numerous

[PSES] ROHS vs. Safety critical products (SIL, etc)

2017-01-16 Thread Amund Westin
ROHS mention some exemption of products in the latest directive (Article 2 in 2011/64/EU). What about so called "Safety critical products", such as IEC61508 certified products ... are they outside the ROHS scope? I do not think so, but I have heard rumors that it might be outside,

Re: [PSES] US electrical safety standard for product tested to EN 60204?

2016-12-06 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
[mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] US electrical safety standard for product tested to EN 60204? Curt, NFPA 79 is harmonized with EN 60204. The US differences are clearly

Re: [PSES] US electrical safety standard for product tested to EN 60204?

2016-12-06 Thread Pete Perkins
this more offline if you wish. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: Curtis McNamara [mailto:mcn

Re: [PSES] US electrical safety standard for product tested to EN 60204?

2016-12-04 Thread John Allen
Hi Curt, I believe UL1647 and CSA C22.2 No. 68 would be the Standards for USA and Canada. Best Regards, John John Allen | President Product Safety Consulting, Inc. Your Outsourced Compliance Department www.productsafetyinc.com<http://www.productsafetyinc.com> 630-238-0188 On Dec 3

[PSES] US electrical safety standard for product tested to EN 60204?

2016-12-03 Thread Curtis McNamara
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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread Ted Eckert
...@esterline.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:24 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code) It was always my impression way back then that the case

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread Gary McInturff
[mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code) Hi Leo: LA requires NRTL certification. (I saw

Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread Richard Nute
] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:22 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code) Hi All, I am working with a client that will be installing a pretty big medical device

Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread John Allen
Safety Consulting, Inc. Your Outsourced Compliance Department www.productsafetyinc.com<http://www.productsafetyinc.com> 630-238-0188 On Nov 23, 2016, at 4:35 AM, Kevin Robinson <kevinrobinso...@gmail.com<mailto:kevinrobinso...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Leo, The City of LA mainta

Re: [PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread Kevin Robinson
or a reference to a City of LA code or > similar would be really great to get too. > > Thx much, > > Leonard (Leo) Eisner, P.E. > Principal Consultant, Eisner Safety Consultants > Phone: (503) 244-6151 > Mobile: (503) 709-8328 > Email: l...@eisnersafety.co

[PSES] Which Safety Test Agency Reports are accepted by City of LA Test Lab (please provide text of requirement or code)

2016-11-23 Thread Leo Eisner
code or similar would be really great to get too. Thx much, Leonard (Leo) Eisner, P.E. Principal Consultant, Eisner Safety Consultants Phone: (503) 244-6151 Mobile: (503) 709-8328 Email: l...@eisnersafety.com Website: www.EisnerSafety.com *** Internet E-mail Confidentiality

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-26 Thread John Woodgate
in aeternum manent. -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:10 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! Remember the RCA Victor record album picture of the dog

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-26 Thread Ken Javor
26 Aug 2016 22:47:23 +0100 > To: <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! > > Interchannel phase differences *measurably* alter the stereo image. Phase > difference between voltage and current has no effect unles

Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety!

2016-08-26 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
I'm assuming they recorded it on Memorex:) -Original Message- From: Peter Tarver [mailto:ptar...@enphaseenergy.com] Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:58 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Fuses can affect performance other than safety! Some of the articles I'd read

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