Re: Sound Engineering Practice

2001-09-06 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that lcr...@tuvam.com wrote (in 3187EE460C488A458D4 dc186f40edc21049...@exchdan.us.tuvworld.com) about 'Sound Engineering Practice', on Thu, 6 Sep 2001: I am struggling with one of those darned European directives, the pressure equipment directive. One aspect of conformance is

Re: STP vs FTP Ethernet cables (2)

2001-09-06 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Meunier, Éric eric.meun...@ca.kontron.com wrote (in 5009AD9521A8D41198EE00805F85F18F0134036E@SEMBO111) about 'STP vs FTP Ethernet cables (2)', on Thu, 6 Sep 2001: You may want to check if the FTP cable has a 100 Ohms characteristic impedance which would make it compatible

Re: ENV 50121-5

2001-09-06 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Chris Maxwell chris.maxw...@nettest.com wrote (in 83d652574e7af740873674f9fc12dbaa675...@utexh1w2.gnnettest.com) about 'ENV 50121-5', on Thu, 6 Sep 2001: The thorn is... I believe that the at least the scope statement of any standard should be public information that

Re: Sound Engineering Practice

2001-09-06 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Lauren: Does anyone have a practical or authoritative definition of Sound Engineering Practice?. The key word is sound. Presumably we all know what engineering practice is. I checked Merriam-Webster's on-line Collegiate Dictionary and found the following definition. The 3rd

RE: LVD testing suite for ITE devices

2001-09-06 Thread Meunier, Éric
For Ethernet ports you may also want to consider the high-voltage isolation requirement specified in the IEEE-802.3 Ethernet specification. I found that Ethernet isolation is usually not required as part of the EN60950 certification process but it may be a good safety feature to consider and can

Sound Engineering Practice

2001-09-06 Thread LCrane
I am struggling with one of those darned European directives, the pressure equipment directive. One aspect of conformance is dependent on the application of Sound Engineering Practice. Does anyone have a practical or authoritative definition of Sound Engineering Practice?. It's and idea that

RE: ENV 50121-5

2001-09-06 Thread Chris Maxwell
Hi John, I agree with your view; which I understand to be. 1. Nobody can paraphrase an entire standard in a email without huge chances for error... and 2. A company should buy the standard if they plan on using it. This reminds me of a thorn in my side which I hope will get the attention of

RE: Noise from flourescent light ballasts?

2001-09-06 Thread Christman, Timothy (STP)
Not sure if this is germane to the list, but... Many newer fluorescent fixtures use an electronic ballast -- they use a switching converter or flyback to develop the high voltage required for the bulbs (laptop backlight elements work the same way). Apparently this reduces the amount of iron

EIA 196

2001-09-06 Thread Brian O'Connell
Good People of EMC-PSTC Sorry for the OT question. Global said that EIA-196 (Fixed Film Resistors) is dead; but there is nothing to replace this standard. What standard has superceeded 196? thanks much, Brian O'Connell Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc. ---

Re: Power Amplifier for 2 GHz Immunity

2001-09-06 Thread amund
Other standards with immunity testing above 1GHz: 1. IEC 60533 (1999-11): Electrical and electronic installations in ships - Electromagnetic compatibility 2. Some of the ship classification societies (DNV) In both cases it is immunity testing up to 2GHz. 3. ...and of course the MIL-STD

Re: Noise from flourescent light ballasts?

2001-09-06 Thread Robert Macy
Chris, Fluorescent tubes are noisy anyway, but the old passive ballasts are starting to be replaced with active electronic ballasts. Those electronic widgets actually run at frequencies down near what you're using. Electrically they can be EXTREMELY noisy. The US has no real restrictions. As

RE: Power Amplifier for 2 GHz Immunity

2001-09-06 Thread Leslie Bai
No, EN301 489-1 specifies RF immunity from 80MHz-1GHz with the exception of the exclusion band for transmitters, receivers and duplex transceivers, see Clause 9.2 of EN 301 489-1 (2000-08). There is no indication that up to 2GHz be required. Leslie --- umbdenst...@sensormatic.com wrote: I

RE: Noise from flourescent light ballasts?

2001-09-06 Thread UMBDENSTOCK
Hi Chris, We have discovered that at least one fluorescent light product line has a circuit that operates at 34 kHz. Use or make a loop antenna and sniff your suspect area with your spectrum analyzer; then you will know for sure what the interfering frequency and source is. Good luck, Don

Low voltage exclusions for railways

2001-09-06 Thread Nick Williams
The LVD contains the following exclusion: Specialised electrical equipment for use on ships, aircraft or railways, which complies with the safety provisions drawn up by international bodies in which the member States participate. Specifically with reference to railways, does anyone know

RE: Power Amplifier for 2 GHz Immunity

2001-09-06 Thread UMBDENSTOCK
I agree that the 4-3 is a basic standard. EN 301489-1 is an immunity standard for radios and specifies the 2 GHz upper limit. As the foundation is established in the basic standard and there is a proliferation of personal communications devices, it would not surprise me to see other standards

RE: Power Amplifier for 2 GHz Immunity

2001-09-06 Thread WOODS
As previously noted, the new revision of EN 301489-1(EMC for radio) does increase the range to 2 GHz and does reference EN61000-4-3. It appears to be the first product/family standard to do so. Will shall see if others follow. Richard Woods -- From: Pettit, Ghery

Re: Noise from flourescent light ballasts?

2001-09-06 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Chris Maxwell chris.maxw...@nettest.com wrote (in 83d652574e7af740873674f9fc12dbaa675...@utexh1w2.gnnettest.com) about 'Noise from flourescent light ballasts?', on Thu, 6 Sep 2001: I was wondering if flourescent light ballasts could be giving off an emission in the KHz

RE: Power Amplifier for 2 GHz Immunity

2001-09-06 Thread Pettit, Ghery
The question that would then arise is this - what standard using EN 61000-4-3 calls out immunity testing above 1 GHz? EN 55024:1998 for ITE does not, nor does CISPR 24 upon which it is based. Unless a standard using EN 61000-4-3 as a test method requires immunity testing above 1 GHz, the added

RE: Noise from flourescent light ballasts?

2001-09-06 Thread WOODS
We have experienced noise from variable frequency motor controllers used in air conditioning systems. There may also be some of these controllers in your factory controlling conveyer belts and other machinery. Richard Woods -- From: Chris Maxwell

RE: Power Amplifier for 2 GHz Immunity

2001-09-06 Thread UMBDENSTOCK
Bob, EN 301489-1 due in 2003 calls for radiated immunity testing to 2 GHz. EN61000-4-3 also indicates testing to 2 GHz due to the portable phone market. Best regards, Don Umbdenstock Sensormatic Electronics Corporation -- From: rehel...@mmm.com[SMTP:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent:

Noise from flourescent light ballasts?

2001-09-06 Thread Chris Maxwell
Hi all, We have personally experienced an interesting phenomenon. We build a certain circuit that detects a 20Khz tone. This circuit is housed in a product that has an EMI spray coated case. One of our engineers noticed that our techs on the manufacturing floor were having a difficult time

Installation Category III; UL60950

2001-09-06 Thread Peter Merguerian
Dear All, Does anyone have a Clearance/Creepage Tables for primary supply voltages (up to 300 Vac) for a Installation Category III (equipment used for outdoors) per UL60950 (which refers you to IEC 664). IEC 664 is quiet heavy for my already tired eyes and I am sure one of you outdoor equipment

RE: ENV 50121-5

2001-09-06 Thread John Juhasz
ENV 50121-5 Fixed Power Installations for Railway Applications http://www.yorkemc.co.uk/Technical/Tins/tin6.htm John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: Biggs, Daniel (IndSys, GEFanuc, NA) [mailto:daniel.bi...@gefanuc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:59

Re: Power Amplifier for 2 GHz Immunity

2001-09-06 Thread reheller
We have recently purchased an Amplifier Research Model 25SIG4A and we use an AR FP2080 probe. We have two antennas for that range, a Schaffner bilog and an A. H. Systems horn. Other than the upcoming 60601-1-2 for medical equipment, are there any other upcoming standards that call out immunity

Re: Installation Category III; UL60950

2001-09-06 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Peter Merguerian pmerguer...@itl.co.il wrote (in 2D1037012914D4118DB8204C4F4F50202D5DC2@ITLLTD01) about 'Installation Category III; UL60950', on Thu, 6 Sep 2001: Does anyone have a Clearance/Creepage Tables for primary supply voltages (up to 300 Vac) for a Installation

Re: ENV 50121-5

2001-09-06 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Biggs, Daniel (IndSys, GEFanuc, NA) daniel.bi...@gefanuc.com wrote (in A9713061F01AD411B0F700D0B746CA6801 550...@vacho6misge.cho.ge.com) about 'ENV 50121-5', on Thu, 6 Sep 2001: I am looking for a short description of ENV 50121-5. What does it cover? Railway

Military Equipment and the EU

2001-09-06 Thread Allen, John
Hi Folks Here are the URL's for the EC Commission Enterprise Websites for the lists of national implementations of the directives listed below: General site URL: European Commission Enterprise Site http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/site-map.htm This leads you on the following URL's which

ENV 50121-5

2001-09-06 Thread Biggs, Daniel (IndSys, GEFanuc, NA)
I am looking for a short description of ENV 50121-5. What does it cover? What tests does it specify? What limits does it specify for tests? Thanks, DB --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc

Re: STP vs FTP Ethernet cables (2)

2001-09-06 Thread David Instone
I agree with Paolo, the definition refers to a shielded TWISTED-PAIR cable. Note also that twisted pair is hyphenated. While the definition might better have been worded to refer to 'one or more TWISTED-PAIRS, each of which...' rather than 'elements' it is not difficult to argue that the

Re: Power Amplifier for 2 GHz Immunity

2001-09-06 Thread amund
Hi Don, From my time at a test laboratory, I recall we used an amplifier from Milmega. It was a 55W amplifier. It worked very good. Check out this one http://www.milmega.com/1080.html For field monitoring, we used the Amplifier Research field probe FP2080. Check out