Re: DSL Modems

2002-09-17 Thread JPR3
In a message dated 9/17/2002, Rob Keller writes: So, because of the ring signals, which would exceed the limits of SELV, connecting to the input the modem, should the classification be TNV-3. Hi Rob: If the tip/ring pair that the DSL modem interfaces to has power ringing on it (such as

RE: EMC Chamber Relocation

2002-09-17 Thread richwoods
We thought about buying used chamber rather than moving ours. However, we found the cost of a used chamber including the installation cost was such that we would have rather bought a new one. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: Pettit,

DSL Modems

2002-09-17 Thread Rob Keller
Greetings all, Question regarding the classification of DSL modems. DSL modems connect to the standard telecom network yet they do not require a ring signal or go on/off hook, therefore the classification would be TNV-1. Yet there are ring signals still present on the telecom lines for the the

RE: EMC Chamber Relocation

2002-09-17 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Hans, Heck, that HP chamber is only 20 years old! Just getting broken in! grin Ghery Pettit -Original Message- From: Hans Mellberg [mailto:emcconsult...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:04 PM To: Judy Johnson; richwo...@tycoint.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:

Re: EMC Chamber Relocation

2002-09-17 Thread Hans Mellberg
You don't say where you are since it may impact the delivered cost but, rumour has it that the HP Cupertino Chamber may be dismantled as NSD has been absorbed, obviated or retired (pick your own euphemism!) by the Compaq group in Austin/Cupertino and besides, the Compaq Cupertino site is newer

RE: Acousic Noise from ITE

2002-09-17 Thread paul dobrovolny
ETSI 300 019-1-3 AND Telcordia NEBS GR-63-CORE are standards that I've had to deal with. ETSI's requirements are considerably more stringent, and are quoted in bels which is a sound power (normalized to 1m^2) independent of distance. GR-63 measures sound pressure at a specified distance (0.6m

RE: EMC Chamber Relocation

2002-09-17 Thread Gert Gremmen
When relocating any chamber: mark all panels accordingly and make sure you assemble them in the place as they were mounted originally ! - If the original chmaber was placed on a flattened surface, make sure that the new location is equally flat. This is true for the opposite too, but difficult

RE: CE Marking for Passive speakers

2002-09-17 Thread Gert Gremmen
Hi John, Officially this type of apparatus does not qualify for ce marking due to the reasons you gave. Commercial reasons make that most product of this type in Europe ARE ce marked. To my knowledge none was prosecuted for illegal use of the ce mark. What the ce mark implies is thet you

Re: CE Marking for Passive speakers

2002-09-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Tyra, John john_t...@bose.com wrote (in 418fbd441c22d5118d860003470d43160543e...@cupid.bose.com) about 'CE Marking for Passive speakers' on Tue, 17 Sep 2002: I was wondering if anyone out there can provide me with help in determining whether passive speakers and

RE: thermocouple welder

2002-09-17 Thread Gonzalez, Kenneth P (Rocky)
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RE: thermocouple welder

2002-09-17 Thread Brian O'Connell
If you want an NB to accept your test data, at least one agency engineer has recommended this model: http://www.therm-x.com/Product.asp?Param1=258BParam2=5 If you do not have 1300+ USD in your budget, a simple cap-discharge welder is easy to build, but requires that you do the uncertainty

Re: thermocouple welder

2002-09-17 Thread Doug McKean
Yes. Get a good beefy DC power supply. Attach both leads of the thermocouple to one of the outputs PLUS or MINUS. Doesn't matter. Twist together the leads to be welded. Get a piece of lead that's used in drafters pencils. Attach this piece of lead to the other output of the power

Job Openings at MCA

2002-09-17 Thread Brian McAuliffe
MCA Compliance Solutions Ltd wishes to recruit a Senior Technician and/or a Junior Technician to work in its Product Safety Lab. Senior Technician - 1. Must have a proven track record in product safety. This experience can have been gained in either a product safety test lab

RE: EMC Chamber Relocation

2002-09-17 Thread Darrell Locke
Rich, Great info that is very timely for me as I am looking purchasing and relocating a used chamber. Any other tips on what to look for (i.e. corroded joints) from group members would be very helpful. Darrell Locke Advanced Input Devices -Original Message- From: richwo...@tycoint.com

CE Marking for Passive speakers

2002-09-17 Thread Tyra, John
Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone out there can provide me with help in determining whether passive speakers and headphones are required to be CE-Marked for entry into the EU? We have an old document from BAPT in Germany which implies that passive speakers are required to be CE Marked

Re: EMC Chamber Relocation

2002-09-17 Thread Judy Johnson
Hello Richard, All, Does anybody know know of any labs or companies looking to get rid of some ferrite tiles/panels? Judy Johnson - Original Message - From: richwo...@tycoint.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: RE: EMC Chamber

Re: Earthing through screws.

2002-09-17 Thread Doug McKean
[ John Woodgate wrote ] Oh, come on! There are dozens of safety standards; surely you don't expect me to search and list them all? [ Doug McKean wrote ] You can't possibly be serious. I was more interested in the fact that since this forum is basically ITE, Medical, Test, and SEMI that

Ferrite Tiles

2002-09-17 Thread Judy Johnson
Grettings All, Does anybody out there know of any labs or companies that may be downsizing or going out of business looking to get rid of any ferrite tiles? You may contact me privately if wish. Judy Johnson judit...@shentel.net

Ferrite Tiles

2002-09-17 Thread Judy Johnson
Grettings All, Does anybody out there know of any labs or companies that may be downsizing or going out of business looking to get rid of any ferrite tiles? You may contact me privately if wish. Judy Johnson judit...@shentel.net

thermocouple welder

2002-09-17 Thread Brian McAuliffe
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RE: Earthing through screws.

2002-09-17 Thread Gary McInturff
The primary screw has the ground symbol (upside down Christmas tree) in a circle, all other locations you want to indicate as ground, called PROTECTIVE BONDING SCREWS by the standard can use the symbol but without the circle, but it is not required to mark them. At least that's the

RE: Add-On Printed Circuit

2002-09-17 Thread Peter Merguerian
Warren, John stated that Products A and B are sold independent of each other. Only product A has Listing Marks and is the one that gets inspected by the Follow-Up inspector. Follow-up inspector never sees Product B unless he's very smart and gathers from the Product A's manual that it is an

RE: PCI low profile dc-dc

2002-09-17 Thread Chris Maxwell
Some low profile AC-DC manufacturers: Martek Vicor Lambda Pico None of them are cheap; but if you want low profile, PCB mount, high reliability; then these are some viable suppliers. Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division email chris.maxw...@nettest.com | dir +1 315 266 5128 | fax

RE: Acousic Noise from ITE

2002-09-17 Thread Naftali Shani
Found in my dusty folder of seldom-used standards: ETS 300 753: October 1997 (Equipment Engineering; Acoustic noise emitted by telecommunication equipment) Is references: 1. ISO 7779 2. ISO 9296 3. ETS 300 019-1 (1994) 4. EEC directive 86/188/EEC 5. ETR 116 (1994) 6. ECMA TR/27 Call me if you

RE: EMC Chamber Relocation

2002-09-17 Thread richwoods
Jeff, we moved our chamber several times and had someone different do it each time based upon lowest quote. Some of your panels could be accidentally damaged during the move. We had some panels starting to separate due to moisture. Most were salvageable, however. Also, we found some corroded

Medical Wrist Device and Cardiac Pacemakers

2002-09-17 Thread Peter Merguerian
Dear All, For a medical device to be worn on the wrist of a patient, does anyone know what additional requirements (if any) should the manufacturer of the medical device take in order for the device not to interfere with a cardiac pacemaker? My little research on the subject tells me that the

RE: Earthing through screws.

2002-09-17 Thread Chris Maxwell
David, Your question isn't so stupid as you say. It is correct that the primary grounding screw (the first screw connected to the ground wire from the AC inlet) shouldn't be used for any purpose other than grounding. However, the standards do allow that screws and fasteners can be used to

RE: PCI low profile dc-dc

2002-09-17 Thread Peter Merguerian
Gert and Hans, In Hans's e-mail he specifies dc-dc convertors. In your e-mail, you specify ac-dc convertor. I assume you mean mains ac - dc. For dc-dc there you need not purchase a medical grade convertor since I assume you will have reinforced insulation between the patient aplied part and

RE: Add-On Printed Circuit

2002-09-17 Thread Peter Merguerian
John, Since product B is an accessory for use with UL Listed Product A, then I would submit product B to UL for accessory Listing for use with Product A. This is a very wise thing to do, especially if there were any questions by local inspectors or by the judge in case of a product liabilility

RE: EMI from heatsinks - humor

2002-09-17 Thread Chris Chileshe
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Re: New EU regulations - civil aviation

2002-09-17 Thread andrew . p . price
We actually tested the equipment with the wiring installation and it took several months and quite considerable amount of work to get the equipment to meet DO-160C with the cabling (supplied by Boeing). No the system is not flight critical however other systems that have been supplied by our

Re: Earthing through screws.

2002-09-17 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Doug McKean dmck...@corp.auspex.com wrote (in 006101c25dec$2b8d49e0$cb3e3...@corp.auspex.com) about 'Earthing through screws.' on Mon, 16 Sep 2002: [ Doug McKean wrote ] I wasn't aware that primary grounding securements could be used for another purpose. [ John

Re: Earthing through screws.

2002-09-17 Thread Doug McKean
[ Doug McKean wrote ] I wasn't aware that primary grounding securements could be used for another purpose. [ John Woodgate wrote ] It depends on the applicable safety standard; some allow it, some don't. [ Doug McKean wrote ] Then since you've got my curiosity up, which ones allow for

RE: New EU regulations - civil aviation

2002-09-17 Thread Cortland Richmond
The navigation systems which are protected by regulation were developments of the 1940's, and -- except for interference! -- work pretty well. They are analog technology, using phase and amplitudes of audio frequency tones to determine position and/or deviation from course. For landing, the ILS

RE: Earthing through screws.

2002-09-17 Thread David Sproul
Hello Doug, I believe you are right. If I had taken the trouble to read EN60950 para 2.6.5.7, I would have saved my self from asking stupid questions. Thanks also to all those who responded to my orignial posting. regards, David Sproul. -Original Message- From: