Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:03 -0800, Clint Washburn wrote: I am in the process of converting my 1978 Hitachi Seiki CNC lathe to EMC. It currently has a 7.5 KW dc motor that used to be powered by FUJI SCR drive. My first problem my house does not have 3 phase power. I am having to work around

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread Mark Wendt
On 03/07/2011 05:15 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 14:19 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: ... snip The standard configuration seems to work, which provides 8 bits out, 8 bits in, 3 10-bit analogs in, 2 MPG in, LCD out (not tested yet). Currently, I am working on a pyVCP panel

Re: [Emc-users] Can a regular 3 phase spindle motor be used as a servo motor

2011-03-08 Thread Mark Wendt
On 03/07/2011 11:25 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have, on my mill, a 3 phase spindle motor on a VFD, driving the spindle with a VS belt. I also have an encoder on the spindle. I wonder if, for any kind of a yet-unknown purpose, I would want to orient my spindle in a particular

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 March 2011 10:56, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: which is typically how we as humans think about light switches - UP is ON, DOWN is OFF. Actually, that's a US thing. (or at least a cultural thing). UK (and, I think the rest of the EU) have down-for-on with domestic light

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 March 2011 06:03, Clint Washburn cl...@clintandheidi.com wrote:  Is it realistic to have a 10 hp 3 phase spindle on single phase power? I read somewhere that it is not possible to get a CE mark for any single-phase-input inverter above a certain power. However I think that might have been

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread Mark Wendt
On 03/08/2011 06:36 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 8 March 2011 10:56, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: which is typically how we as humans think about light switches - UP is ON, DOWN is OFF. Actually, that's a US thing. (or at least a cultural thing). UK (and, I think the rest of the

Re: [Emc-users] Can a regular 3 phase spindle motor be used as a servo motor

2011-03-08 Thread Michael Haberler
I would be very interested in doing this - however, my VFDs (Toshiba VFS-11) do not support an axis encoder input has anybody done this using in EMC/ creative HAL wiring - maybe a PID controller - sort of 'parallel' to normal spindle control? I'd be very interested in such a setup example!

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 March 2011 12:08, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: On the original setup, normal oil pressure would have the needle pointing straight up indicating 40 pis, ... your engine seizes.  ;-) Been there, but the normal position was with the needle straight down. Not a good choice if

Re: [Emc-users] Can a regular 3 phase spindle motor be used as a servo motor

2011-03-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 March 2011 12:21, Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: I would be very interested in doing this - however, my VFDs (Toshiba VFS-11) do not support an axis encoder input has anybody done this using in EMC/ creative HAL wiring -  maybe a PID controller - sort of 'parallel' to

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Roland Jollivet
On 8 March 2011 08:03, Clint Washburn cl...@clintandheidi.com wrote: I am in the process of converting my 1978 Hitachi Seiki CNC lathe to EMC. It currently has a 7.5 KW dc motor that used to be powered by FUJI SCR drive. My first problem my house does not have 3 phase power. I am having to

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread Mark Wendt
On 03/08/2011 07:36 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 8 March 2011 12:08, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: On the original setup, normal oil pressure would have the needle pointing straight up indicating 40 pis, ... your engine seizes. ;-) Been there, but the normal position was with the

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread Ian W. Wright
On 08/03/2011 10:56, Mark Wendt wrote: All the rows of LED lights/radio buttons after row 100 have the ON radio button on top of the OFF radio button, which is typically how we as humans think about light switches - UP is ON, DOWN is OFF. Except in the UK and most of the Continent and

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 March 2011 12:52, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: Ouch!  Was that gauge made by a certain Prince of Darkness?  ;-) I think that one is a product of The Bourdon Gauge Manufacturing Co. -- atp Torque wrenches are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread Mark Wendt
On 03/08/2011 08:14 AM, Ian W. Wright wrote: On 08/03/2011 10:56, Mark Wendt wrote: All the rows of LED lights/radio buttons after row 100 have the ON radio button on top of the OFF radio button, which is typically how we as humans think about light switches - UP is ON, DOWN is OFF. Except

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread Mark Wendt
On 03/08/2011 08:25 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 8 March 2011 12:52, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: Ouch! Was that gauge made by a certain Prince of Darkness? ;-) I think that one is a product of The Bourdon Gauge Manufacturing Co. Are they a subsidiary of Lucas? ;-) Mark

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread Peter Homann
Yes, in Australia, down is ON. Cheers, Peter. On 8/03/2011 10:36 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 8 March 2011 10:56, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: which is typically how we as humans think about light switches - UP is ON, DOWN is OFF. Actually, that's a US thing. (or at least a

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread Mark Wendt
Yeah, but you guys drive on the wrong side of the road too... ;-) Mark On 03/08/2011 06:47 AM, Peter Homann wrote: Yes, in Australia, down is ON. Cheers, Peter. On 8/03/2011 10:36 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 8 March 2011 10:56, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: which is

Re: [Emc-users] Can a regular 3 phase spindle motor be used as a servo motor

2011-03-08 Thread Jack Coats
Igor, I could see the possibility of using your setup with a tap to tap threads into holes, where rotation and vertical travel must be coordinated, both going in and out/up and down. or if you have a tool changer that requires given orientation of the tool before putting it away or getting it

[Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread Roland Jollivet
For machinery, UP should be On. -If the switch breaks, it is more likely to revert to the off position. -Bumping a switch while holding other things is more likely to knock it down -It takes more effort to push a switch upp than down, to a safer position. Regards Roland On 8 March 2011 15:46,

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 March 2011 14:48, Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com wrote: For machinery, UP should be On. -If the switch breaks, it is more likely to revert to the off position. -Bumping a switch while holding other things is more likely to knock it down -It takes more effort to push a switch

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:35:05 AM Peter Homann did opine: Yes, in Australia, down is ON. Thats because you are already upside down. :-D Sorry Peter, but you really did leave that one wide open. ;) Cheers, Peter. On 8/03/2011 10:36 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 8 March 2011 10:56,

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:40:33 AM andy pugh did opine: On 8 March 2011 12:52, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: Ouch! �Was that gauge made by a certain Prince of Darkness? �;-) I think that one is a product of The Bourdon Gauge Manufacturing Co. Who is no doubt owned by Lucas

[Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Ted Hyde
emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 22:03:45 -0800 From: Clint Washburncl...@clintandheidi.com Subject: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller \(EMC\)' emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Igor Chudov
Guys, call me stupid, but why can't the OP run his lathe off of that DC spindle motor? All he needs is a rectifier bridge to run it at constant speed. i On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Ted Hyde laser...@gmail.com wrote: emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Mon,

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread dave
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:03 -0800, Clint Washburn wrote: I am in the process of converting my 1978 Hitachi Seiki CNC lathe to EMC. It currently has a 7.5 KW dc motor that used to be powered by FUJI SCR drive. My first problem my house does not have 3 phase power. I am having to work around

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 March 2011 17:16, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: Just to be totally contrary if the dc motor is working fine then use a rotary single phase to three phase converter. There is a fair chance that the existing DC drive might work OK on 230V single phase. I would think it is probably worth

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread sam sokolik
or look at dc drives from someone like amc... I have gotten them as large as 100a 400vdc (I would pick the ones with ac inputs..) sam On 3/8/2011 11:31 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 8 March 2011 17:16, davedengv...@charter.net wrote: Just to be totally contrary if the dc motor is working fine

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's and Modbus

2011-03-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 05:56 -0500, Mark Wendt wrote: ... snip see things in a certain order or configuration. All the rows of LED lights/radio buttons after row 100 have the ON radio button on top of the OFF radio button, which is typically how we as humans think about light switches - UP

Re: [Emc-users] Can a regular 3 phase spindle motor be used as a servo motor

2011-03-08 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Thanks, something like this? Could EMC work with it? We don't have a lot of EMC2 experience with combined spindle/axes. Several schemes have been suggested for how to switch back and forth between a spindle and a C axis. I think a couple people have done it.

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Jon Elson
I have an 11 KW Toshiba inverter on my 7.5 Hp Sheldon 15 lathe. The VFD was made available for shipping cost only, so no particular reason to choose that amount of over-rating. It works great, and I can't see any limitations in its use. It doesn't get any fault conditions. I have installed

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Guys, call me stupid, but why can't the OP run his lathe off of that DC spindle motor? All he needs is a rectifier bridge to run it at constant speed. Well, a 10 Hp DC motor will draw a LOT of current at start-up. Yes, there is no reason he can't do that, and there are

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: Guys, call me stupid, but why can't the OP run his lathe off of that DC spindle motor? All he needs is a rectifier bridge to run it at constant speed. Well, a 10 Hp DC motor will draw a LOT of

Re: [Emc-users] Can a regular 3 phase spindle motor be used as a servo motor

2011-03-08 Thread robert
On 08/03/2011 02:52, Igor Chudov wrote: Robert, would you show some examples of such drives, so that I know what to look for? Thanks! Yaskawa http://www.yaskawa.com/site/products.nsf/products/Industrial%20AC%20Drives~G7.html Control Techniques

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 09:16 -0800, dave wrote: On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:03 -0800, Clint Washburn wrote: I am in the process of converting my 1978 Hitachi Seiki CNC lathe to EMC. It currently has a 7.5 KW dc motor that used to be powered by FUJI SCR drive. My first problem my house does not

[Emc-users] [OT] Upgrading another machine to EMC, but still a hobby...

2011-03-08 Thread John Murphy
I emc'ed a small benchtop mill back when it was pre-emc2. That machine has worked great, but I would like something bigger and stiffer. I recently redid my config, upgraded to EMC2, and it's even better than the old EMC. The HAL is sweet. I would be doing very small niche production (20-50

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 09:16 -0800, dave wrote: On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:03 -0800, Clint Washburn wrote: I am in the process of converting my 1978 Hitachi Seiki CNC lathe to EMC. It currently has a 7.5 KW dc

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Upgrading another machine to EMC, but still a hobby...

2011-03-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:54 PM, John Murphy j...@wyosip.com wrote: I emc'ed a small benchtop mill back when it was pre-emc2. That machine has worked great, but I would like something bigger and stiffer. I recently redid my config, upgraded to EMC2, and it's even better than the old EMC. The

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Upgrading another machine to EMC, but still a hobby...

2011-03-08 Thread Colin K
If the control still works, why not just use it until it croaks? Does it only have a tape drive or something similar that makes it miserable to use? -- What You Don't Know About Data Connectivity CAN Hurt You This paper

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Clint Washburn
Thanks for all the posts. I am on my lunch break but will be able to read all the posts again. To give a little history about this lathe, I bought it about 8 years or so ago. Right around the time hitachi seiki went bankrupt. I have not been able to acquire any manuals for it ( it is a

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Upgrading another machine to EMC, but still a hobby...

2011-03-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 15:31 -0500, Colin K wrote: If the control still works, why not just use it until it croaks? Does it only have a tape drive or something similar that makes it miserable to use? I tend to agree with Colin. I reused the steppers and drivers on my mill:

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 14:02 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: ... snip Another thing is that for all static and rotary converters I have seen, the single phase is passed right through and the converter creates a 90

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Upgrading another machine to EMC, but still a hobby...

2011-03-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 15:31 -0500, Colin K wrote: If the control still works, why not just use it until it croaks? Does it only have a tape drive or something similar that makes it miserable to use? I tend to

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Upgrading another machine to EMC, but still a hobby...

2011-03-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 15:37 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: ... snip You have a tool changer! It is awesome! ... snip I got lucky. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut eventually. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 15:35 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: ... snip You can only have equal voltages l1-l3, l2-l3, l1-l2, at 120 degree phase angles. With 0, 90, 180, if the L3 peak to peak is higher than L1-L2,

Re: [Emc-users] Video showing all that my mill does, including W axis

2011-03-08 Thread Eric Keller
Igor, Thanks for posting this and putting the work into your website.  My Series II saga has taken far too long.  I've had almost every piece working at one time or another. I have some drives coming in tomorrow that will hopefully get me finished. I am thinking about motorizing the knee and

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 16:07 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 15:35 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: ... snip You can only have equal voltages l1-l3, l2-l3, l1-l2, at 120 degree phase angles.

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Igor Chudov
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 16:07 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 15:35 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: ... snip You

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Clint Washburn
Ted, What kind of motor did you go with and what model of vfd do you use? Also I have not yet purchased a drive yet I am weighing my options. I am thinking of 5-7.5 hp. With the price some of the vfds are going for I would pay several times over what I paid for the lathe. Thanks, Clint On

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.comwrote: Another thing is that for all static and rotary converters I have seen, the single phase is passed right through and the converter creates a 90 (or 270) degree phase, so you get 0, 90 and

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: But there is no getting around the fact L1 and L2 are 180 degrees apart. Perfectly normal in any 3-phase situation. Any two points are 180 degrees apart on their own line. __generated leg | /\

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Clint Washburn
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Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Clint Washburn
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Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Clint Washburn wrote: Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:54:50 -0800 From: Clint Washburn cl...@clintandheidi.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re:

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Clint Washburn
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Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Upgrading another machine to EMC, but still a hobby...

2011-03-08 Thread John Murphy
The control is a trickle feed (300 bps) or paper tape I understand. I don't have 3 phase, so I was thinking of converting the control side so I could run it single phase (shouldn't be too hard) and the installing a VFD for the spindle, which I want to do anyway. Thanks for the input. I think it

Re: [Emc-users] [OT] Upgrading another machine to EMC, but still a hobby...

2011-03-08 Thread Igor Chudov
The value of the boss control is negative. The value of steppers is also somewhat questionable, in my opinion, but they will work great. That Tree 425 looks like a serious machine. i On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:42 PM, John Murphy j...@wyosip.com wrote: The control is a trickle feed (300 bps)

[Emc-users] Single to Three Phase Rotary Converters

2011-03-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
Let me try to provide more details on my understanding of the phase timing of DIY converters. Attached is a schematic of a common rotary converter. The source is here: http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/ph-conv/ph-conv.html http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/ph-conv/fig1.html I used this to make

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 20:38 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip You really HAVE to draw this out on paper to understand it. Does the drawing method have a name I can search for and study? -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Jon Elson
Clint Washburn wrote: What model Toshiba is it? It is a Tosvert VF-A5, a pretty old model. Also, the manual is pretty inscrutable, it took me several days to figure out enough to do what I wanted, mostly related to making a 3-button control work. I had to add two relays as I couldn't

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 20:38 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip You really HAVE to draw this out on paper to understand it. Does the drawing method have a name I can search for and study? Drawing included in next email message. Jon

Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Clint Washburn
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Re: [Emc-users] Single Phase Lathe spindle motor question

2011-03-08 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 18:52 -0800, Clint Washburn wrote: Are there any VFD's you recommend that would support such a motor? -Original Message- From: Kirk Wallace [mailto:kwall...@wallacecompany.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:00 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)