Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-12 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
A decision has been made on this issue, so let this thread die. Whether we agree with the decision or not is up to us to act on as individuals now, and bringing it back to the list won't do any good but to fan further flames. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Stephen Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-12 Thread Stephen Houston
Please find a way to stop bothering the community with this ridiculous load of crap, even if that means forking e. Hisham you are one of the prime reasons this community, or lack there of in your opinion, is having trouble. Your inability to work on a project where your ideas aren't always used/a

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-10 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Enlightenment CVS > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> +EAPI void eina_error_print(Eina_Error_Level level, const char *file, >>const char *fnc, int line, const char *fm

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-09 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Simon Horman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 12:51:18PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Enlightenment CVS >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > +EAPI void eina_error_print(Eina_Error_Level level, const ch

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-08 Thread Simon Horman
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 12:51:18PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Enlightenment CVS > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > +EAPI void eina_error_print(Eina_Error_Level level, const char *file, > >const char *fnc, int line, const char *fmt, ...)

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-08 Thread David Moore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nathan Ingersoll wrote: [snip] > > Maybe this speaks more about your experience than the project as a > whole. I certainly feel part of a community from years of working with > good people that have treated each other with respect. I have > regularly

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-08 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Enlightenment CVS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +EAPI void eina_error_print(Eina_Error_Level level, const char *file, >const char *fnc, int line, const char *fmt, ...) > { >va_list args; > >va_start(args, fmt); > - _error_print(

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread Mathieu Taillefumier
Peter Wehrfritz wrote: > Jorge Luis Zapata Muga schrieb: > >> As i said too many times, there was edata, this arguments are refered >> to edata, not eina, you can think of eina on just the same >> conceptually lib but developed from the base code of edata. So i >> wasn't expecting developers on

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread Nick Hughart
Hisham Mardam Bey wrote: > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Some people don't want their code forked off and closed away and want >>> all contributions to come back. This is the difference. >>> >>> >> This sounds a lot like having your cake and

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread Hisham Mardam Bey
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Some people don't want their code forked off and closed away and want >> all contributions to come back. This is the difference. >> > > This sounds a lot like having your cake and eating it too heh. LGPL only > stops the

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread Nick Hughart
Hisham Mardam Bey wrote: > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I still don't understand what about the BSD makes it not always free, >> you can't steal the code, the free code is always there. Even if raster >> wanted to, he could not just up and close t

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread Peter Wehrfritz
Vincent Torri schrieb: >> Actually I thought it was BSD licensed. I didn't expect that Trojan >> horse tactic. Only after Vincent has asked me if it is ok for me to >> switch to LGPL I realized that i contributed to a proprietary project. >> > > Can you develop why a project using LGPL is a pr

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread Vincent Torri
> Actually I thought it was BSD licensed. I didn't expect that Trojan > horse tactic. Only after Vincent has asked me if it is ok for me to > switch to LGPL I realized that i contributed to a proprietary project. Can you develop why a project using LGPL is a proprietary project ? For me, a propr

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread Peter Wehrfritz
Jorge Luis Zapata Muga schrieb: > > As i said too many times, there was edata, this arguments are refered > to edata, not eina, you can think of eina on just the same > conceptually lib but developed from the base code of edata. So i > wasn't expecting developers on eina, i was expecting them on ed

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:16:45 -0400 "Hisham Mardam Bey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > It's always been the assumption that our core libs will be BSD from > > the bottom up. E17 is also licensed BSD. > > This is a decis

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread Hisham Mardam Bey
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I still don't understand what about the BSD makes it not always free, > you can't steal the code, the free code is always there. Even if raster > wanted to, he could not just up and close the code. He would have to > make

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread Nick Hughart
Jorge Luis Zapata Muga wrote: > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> You can't tell me that im wrong as i did eina and took the decisions >>> about it. I h

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-07 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> You can't tell me that im wrong as i did eina and took the decisions >> about it. I have to explain this as this totally wrong. Ein

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Zachary Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sort of ancillary to this discussion but as point of fact: > > GPL was designed to keep software free, away from people who would > close it and then sell it. The "Changing the license is hard" with > the GPL is very

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Zachary Goldberg
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Christopher Michael > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I'm not much of a lawyer, nor do I claim to know much about LGPL, but if in >> fact this is the case and we can't change back at a la

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Christopher Michael
Nathan Ingersoll wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Christopher Michael > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm not much of a lawyer, nor do I claim to know much about LGPL, but if in >> fact this is the case and we can't change back at a later date without much >> effort, then by all means put m

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Christopher Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not much of a lawyer, nor do I claim to know much about LGPL, but if in > fact this is the case and we can't change back at a later date without much > effort, then by all means put me down for the "Not Changing"

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Christopher Michael
Nathan Ingersoll wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> So your argument is that you don't need to justify your choices >>> because you're more active right no

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Also, this is exactly my point about being disrespectful and hurting >> the community. You are devaluating the opinions of volunteers

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So your argument is that you don't need to justify your choices >> because you're more active right now? > > Basically, and because y

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, this is exactly my point about being disrespectful and hurting > the community. You are devaluating the opinions of volunteers in the > community because you get to spend your paid time on it. I still > contribute

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So your argument is that you don't need to justify your choices > because you're more active right now? Basically, and because your license says so. As for keeping core consistent, we CAN, if this is the only blocker,

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
Also, this is exactly my point about being disrespectful and hurting the community. You are devaluating the opinions of volunteers in the community because you get to spend your paid time on it. I still contribute multiple hours each week to the project either through reviewing patches, helping eva

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
So your argument is that you don't need to justify your choices because you're more active right now? On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Mark Dickie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As another long-term enlightenment u

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Luchezar Petkov
> > > This policy is not fitting current developer's need anymore, at least > a big part of active developers. These developers are willing to > invest even more efforts, making EFL even better, but they want some > changes. > > People already said about forks and do these kind of things out of CVS

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can't tell me that im wrong as i did eina and took the decisions > about it. I have to explain this as this totally wrong. Eina's attempt > was known, i already commented about it on irc and on ml, *with* > in

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Mark Dickie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As another long-term enlightenment user (since at least 2000) who has > never entered these discussions before I'd like to add by tuppence > worth too. Saying that you wish to increase the community while at the > same time cr

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Mark Dickie
As another long-term enlightenment user (since at least 2000) who has never entered these discussions before I'd like to add by tuppence worth too. Saying that you wish to increase the community while at the same time creating a serious rift which may cause people, devs or users, to be put off or l

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > True, it looks like but it isnt. Let me explain. The community > fragmentation is *not only* the license, it is mainly because of point > 1. Point 2 is refered to people that won't code on eina and for people > th

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Zachary Goldberg wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Luchezar Petkov > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Luchezar Petkov wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Our" core base libs? Obviously there's a difference in opini

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Jose Gonzalez wrote: > Luchezar Petkov wrote: > >>> Cedric was interested on the project by himself and because it was >>> technically good, i think having a common library for data types is >>> something we all agree. I think he will reply on this. And yes, the >>> license do has something to

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Zachary Goldberg
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Luchezar Petkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Luchezar Petkov wrote: >> >> >> "Our" core base libs? Obviously there's a difference in opinion >> between various contributors to these cor

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Luchezar Petkov
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Jose Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Luchezar Petkov wrote: > >> Cedric was interested on the project by himself and because it was >>> technically good, i think having a common library for data types is >>> something we all agree. I think he will reply on thi

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Luchezar Petkov wrote: >> Cedric was interested on the project by himself and because it was >> technically good, i think having a common library for data types is >> something we all agree. I think he will reply on this. And yes, the >> license do has something to do with this, as *i* want it to

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jorge Luis Zapata Muga wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Luchezar Petkov
> Cedric was interested on the project by himself and because it was > technically good, i think having a common library for data types is > something we all agree. I think he will reply on this. And yes, the > license do has something to do with this, as *i* want it to be lgpl. > > Ok, let's stop

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Jorge Luis Zapata Muga wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jorge Luis Zapata Muga wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Mike Rutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 10:25:52PM +0200, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga wrote: >>> Eina suddenly has g

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> You're going to completely ignore all of the feedback

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Jorge Luis Zapata Muga wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Mike Rutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 10:25:52PM +0200, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga wrote: >> >>> Eina suddenly has gotten attention, not because of its technical >>> features, but because i wanted it

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Mike Rutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 10:25:52PM +0200, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga wrote: >> >> Eina suddenly has gotten attention, not because of its technical >> features, but because i wanted it to be lpgl *and* raster has said >> that he

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Timothy P. Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm a Summer of Code student this year (so, not a /real/ E developer), > and I was planning on keeping my head entirely out of this > conversation, but each email makes that more and more difficult. So > I've decided to

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 16:00 -0500, Nick Hughart wrote: > >> Viktor Kojouharov wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:48 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: >>> >>> Look at the history of this project and any other complex projects. It is very common

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:48 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: >> Look at the history of this project and any other complex projects. It >> is very common that components get moved from one layer of abstraction >> to another

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 16:00 -0500, Nick Hughart wrote: > Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:48 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: > > > >> Look at the history of this project and any other complex projects. It > >> is very common that components get moved from one layer of abstrac

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 16:54 -0400, Timothy P. Horton wrote: > I'm a Summer of Code student this year (so, not a /real/ E developer), > and I was planning on keeping my head entirely out of this > conversation, but each email makes that more and more difficult. So > I've decided to express my

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:48 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: > >> Look at the history of this project and any other complex projects. It >> is very common that components get moved from one layer of abstraction >> to another as it becomes apparent they fit better at anot

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:48 -0500, Nick Hughart wrote: > Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:41 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: > > > >> Really? I have done my best to layout factual reasons and arguments > >> but have not seen any rebuttals that have attempted to do the same. >

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:48 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: > Look at the history of this project and any other complex projects. It > is very common that components get moved from one layer of abstraction > to another as it becomes apparent they fit better at another location. Speaking specificall

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Timothy P. Horton
I'm a Summer of Code student this year (so, not a /real/ E developer), and I was planning on keeping my head entirely out of this conversation, but each email makes that more and more difficult. So I've decided to express my _opinion_ on the matter of the E community (I'm have no preference

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Hisham Mardam Bey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Consensus is how healthy communities operate, so your second point >> would be that E is an unhealthy community. > > Nathan, E *is* an unheal

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:41 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: > >> Really? I have done my best to layout factual reasons and arguments >> but have not seen any rebuttals that have attempted to do the same. >> >> > True, you have. And I didn't say otherwise. What I sa

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
Look at the history of this project and any other complex projects. It is very common that components get moved from one layer of abstraction to another as it becomes apparent they fit better at another location. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:41 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: >> Really? I have done my best to layout factual reasons and arguments >> but have not seen any rebuttals that have attempted to do the same. >> > True, you have

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:33 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You're going to completely ignore all of the feedback you received on

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Mike Rutter
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 10:25:52PM +0200, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga wrote: > > Eina suddenly has gotten attention, not because of its technical > features, but because i wanted it to be lpgl *and* raster has said > that he wants to push eina's effort. That's the real thing, nobody > cared about it o

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:41 -0500, Nathan Ingersoll wrote: > Really? I have done my best to layout factual reasons and arguments > but have not seen any rebuttals that have attempted to do the same. > True, you have. And I didn't say otherwise. What I said was, more than half just don't care. And

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 16:22 -0400, Jaime Thomas wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ah, fine... so you all use BSD's libC, do not use GNU LibC or any > > other LGPL library... > > > > -- > > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > http://profu

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
Really? I have done my best to layout factual reasons and arguments but have not seen any rebuttals that have attempted to do the same. On 8/6/08, Viktor Kojouharov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:20 -0500, Nick Hughart wrote: >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> > On Wed, A

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Hisham Mardam Bey
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Consensus is how healthy communities operate, so your second point > would be that E is an unhealthy community. Nathan, E *is* an unhealthy community. To be honest, "E" is not even a community. We are nothing more than a

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:20 -0500, Nick Hughart wrote: > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
Now that will be the case, but when Eina was first brought back up, the license was not mentioned and we were happy to see the work to unify data libs happening. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Jorge Luis Zapata Muga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You're going to completely ignore all of the feedback you received on >> this issue and just change the license without a consensus? >>

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We don't want the ability to cross-pollinate code with those projects > and they are SEPARATE PROJECTS. The goal of eina was to unify around > one shared data lib, so why would we not be using eina? Because you don't lik

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Jorge Luis Zapata Muga
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're going to completely ignore all of the feedback you received on > this issue and just change the license without a consensus? > Ok, let's begin on *how* i see this. Eina's ideas hasn't been around for short time,

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Jaime Thomas
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ah, fine... so you all use BSD's libC, do not use GNU LibC or any > other LGPL library... > > -- > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > http://profusion.mobi embedded systems > -- > MSN

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
We don't want the ability to cross-pollinate code with those projects and they are SEPARATE PROJECTS. The goal of eina was to unify around one shared data lib, so why would we not be using eina? On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 20

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Have fun getting any of the libs in CVS to use Ei

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Have fun getting any of the libs in CVS to use Eina now. Just more >>> split effort... >>> >> >> Since

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Have fun getting any of the libs in CVS to use Eina now. Just more >> split effort... >> > > Since they're basically the only doing any code in CVS, it will be as > hard as before

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Nick Hughart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have fun getting any of the libs in CVS to use Eina now. Just more > split effort... Since they're basically the only doing any code in CVS, it will be as hard as before. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nick Hughart
Have fun getting any of the libs in CVS to use Eina now. Just more split effort... Enlightenment CVS wrote: > Enlightenment CVS committal > > Author : turran > Project : e17 > Module : proto/eina > > Dir : e17/proto/eina > > > Modified Files: > COPYING > Added Files: > OLD-COP

Re: [E-devel] E CVS: proto/eina turran

2008-08-06 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
You're going to completely ignore all of the feedback you received on this issue and just change the license without a consensus? On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Enlightenment CVS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Enlightenment CVS committal > > Author : turran > Project : e17 > Module : proto/eina >