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From: Ben Goren [mailto:b...@trumpetpower.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:42 PM
To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid
On Jul 26, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Ben, you are right. *if* you can find a 6:1 rear end
(the highest that my vehicle can be equipped with is 4.2:1)
The car has an 8 rear end, which will go up (down) to 4.11. There's a shop in
town that'll build a
On 26 Jul 2014 at 8:24, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
At 55 MPH with the 4.11 is 3000 RPM; with a single AC-51, that's 22 hp.
The single motor would be okay... At the slow end...1000 RPM is ~19
MPH. Five horsepower might not cut it by itself, and 15 MPH school
zones might be a problem...
IIRC,
: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries
On 26 Jul 2014 at 8:24, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
At 55 MPH with the 4.11 is 3000 RPM; with a single AC-51, that's 22
hp.
The single motor would be okay... At the slow end...1000 RPM is ~19
MPH. Five horsepower might not cut it by itself, and 15 MPH school
zones
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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman
via EV
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 3:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries
Yep, areo drag is proportional to square of the speed:
1/2 * Cd * A * air
On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:57 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
I think Ben G can build this car. However, I'm not sure he's going to get
absolutely everything he wants (range, power, price).
As with so many other things : go far, go fast, go cheap : pick two. :-\
I'd
On 07/25/2014 04:59 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
I'd appreciate if somebody can check my math on the current leading candidate.
It's a Voltronix 3.2V 60Ah 8C cell that EVWest sells for $78 / ea:
I haven't been following this discussion closely, but this is an ICE
with a motor assist? Do you
: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries
On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:57 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I think Ben G can build this car. However, I'm not sure he's going to
get
absolutely everything he wants (range, power, price).
As with so many other things : go far, go
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From: Ben Goren via EVmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org
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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries
On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:57
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Why on the world would you need over 200kW unless you are doing a race
car?
Well, each AC-51 is rated for ~80 kW; I'm assuming a pair is ~160 kW -- which
is about the same as the 260 motor in the car already. Seemed
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Roland e...@msn.com wrote:
I thought someone contacted you about there Nissan Leaf battery packs. I
click up there site that was sent to you (hybrid auto center.com) and one
battery pack is rated at 182V nominal at 12kw/h. Contains 24 modules at
7.8V/60ah
http://www.a123systems.com/
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
Too bad A123 went under. Their cells would have been PERFECT.
You could consider the EnerDel high-power modules carried by evolve
electrics (and possibly others, but I haven't seen
On Jul 25, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Two strings of 45 gets 200 kW with 20 kWh at 500 pounds for $3900 --
something *much* more reasonable than anything I had calculated earlier.
Hmmm...I found a bug in the spreadsheet; cost is $7200...but still moving in
I am having some difficulty in visualizing your project. Are you putting
two AC-51 motors in the line with the drive shaft? The drive shaft moves up
and down and front to back, with the motors there is not going to be any
length of shafting to give the rear axle sufficient travel to drive on a
, 2014 4:21 PM
To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
Why on the world would you need over 200kW unless you are doing a race
car?
Well, each AC-51 is rated
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From: Ben Goren [mailto:b...@trumpetpower.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 4:21 PM
To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries
Thanks for the detailed explanation, Cor.
I think I'm still having a hard time warping my head 'round torque and power
requirements and all the rest. I'm thinking I need some good way to calculate
(or at least guesstimate) *actual* power requirements so I can compare with
what I'm seeing on
Hi Ben and All,
Since a de-ICE'd Mustang is fairly light a good combo is 2
longer 6.7'' motors ADC L91 or D+D ES-31 will give you everything you need
depending on the battery, controller you get. Remember this is what the
Killacycle uses too so as much power as you want.
A while ago, I had done some back-of-the-envelope math that told me that I
didn't need to worry much about batteries until the time came to actually pick
which to buy. Now, thanks to y'all, I'm realizing that this may instead be a
show-stopper.
To recap, I have a chance to buy a 1964 1/2
Too bad A123 went under. Their cells would have been PERFECT.
You could consider the EnerDel high-power modules carried by evolve electrics
(and possibly others, but I haven't seen them elsewhere). They're more
expensive than CALB/Thundersky but better suited to your application. 32Ah/44V
On 24 Jul 2014 at 23:59, Ben Apollonio via EV wrote:
Too bad A123 went under ...
You could consider the EnerDel high-power modules ...
You might also try looking into Dow Kokam cells (www.kokam.com). ...
That's what I was thinking of when I said a while back, If you expect
sporty,
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