Re: [EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy
Yes, there will still be a demand for vehicles, but surely less than today. While it's one thing to try to predict the number of vehicles needed to serve the population, it's another to predict the effect on highways. I have not seen any research on the effect on highways yet. Just because the same vehicle can be used for multiple trips doesn't mean that the number of vehicles on the highway will decrease. Here are some thoughts to mull over: - If usage rates are highest during peak times, that might encourage people to spread out their commute times, reducing the number of vehicles needed and the street capacities. - Because a user wouldn't have to deal with parking, it is conceivable that mass transit use could increase: a car could drop you off at a rail station (or BRT, etc) and, if needed, you could take another private vehicle at the other end. No waiting, very little walking. - Many users would likely want to own their own vehicle for some of the same reasons they do today: instantly available, can leave your belongings in it, familarity. - In theory, more vehicles could be crammed on a highway at high speeds since control and reaction times should be more accurate. - On city streets, I assume there would be less capacity improvement since it's hard to get closer than bumper-to-bumper. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Ed Blackmond via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 09-Jun-15 4:30:05 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy On Jun 9, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: How Uber's Autonomous Cars Will Reshape The Economy By 2025 By SeekingAlpha, May 31, 2015 By Zack Kanter For anybody skeptical about this, I have two questions. How many people had smart phones in 2005? How many people do you know today who don’t have a smart phone? Couple more thoughts on this First, I think there's still a logistical challenge to be faced with replacing the commuter car fleet with autonomous Johnny Cab taxies -- namely, that there's a reason why rush hour is a clusterfuck of single-occupancy vehicles. To a first approximation, we'll still need roughly the same number of self-driving public / private cars as we do today, because we'll still have roughly the same number of people going to work at roughly the same time. And those people will be as interested in sharing a ride with other people in the future as they are today. That is, it seems to me like the estimates in the article are naïvely assuming a fleet sized for the average demand will suffice, whereas the fleet still needs to be sized for peak demand. Electric grid operators could offer some insights to these analysts. Around here (Silicon Valley), the commute congestion period lasts about four hours in the evening from 3pm to 7pm. It seems to be a little more spread out in the morning. A vehicle that takes someone home from work between 3pm and 4pm could take somebody else home from work from 5pm to 6pm and pick up somebody else at 7pm and take them home. This indicates that peak size could be on the order of 1/3 of todays commuter fleet. Would a driverless car be allowed to use the HOV lane? Ed ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?
Illegal may be too strong a word, but the NiMH patents were purchased by a group including Texaco and Chevron that refused to license the cells in any format large enough to use in a plug-in vehicle. You wouldn't be facing jail time, but you could face huge lawsuits if you manufactured cells without the patent holder's approval. Quite a few of the sordid details are laid out here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobasys Mike On June 9, 2015 6:39:09 PM MDT, Michael Ross via EV wrote: >David, > >NiMH can recover capacity by charging and discharging to a particular >protocol. The electrode gradually grows into a surface that has less >surface area and the "crystalline" structure can be regrown into a >better >configuration. We have a community college in the western part of the >state that teaches mechanics how to operate the equipment and it is >fairly >common to do this with Priuses and Hondas - maybe the RAV4 as well. > >The franchised shops are called The Hybrid Shop and they are affiliated >with this test equipment company: > >Automotive Research & Design >http://www.go2hev.com/home.html > >I have not used them or the equipment but I believe it has merit. > >I certainly never heard about any illegal aspects of this. I think >that is >incorrect. > >On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:54 PM, David Miller via EV >wrote: > >> Hi All! >> >> I drive a 2002 Toyota Rav4-EV. Yes, the one with >> 24 NiHM Panasonic EV-95 batteries! Patents by Cobasys, Ovonics, >> Texaco, Chevron, BASF, >> >> The pack has pushed 131 thousand miles over 13 years. It has >> dropped to around 65% original capacity. Power is similarly limited. >> >> Last year I searched extensively for replacements but discovered >> they are illegal. (See 'Who Killed the Electric Car' for details if >> you don't know already.) >> >> * But I also read again and again that **the patents were due to >expire* >> *in 2013 and 2014!* >> >> Can anyone here comment on the current patent status for large >> format NiMH batteries? >> >> Will Gold Peak manufacture GP100EVHs? >> Nilar? >> EVBTech.com? >> Panasonic? >> Sanyo? >> >> Is there any reason to hope? >> >> -David Miller >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> >http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/bbeb0a57/attachment.htm >> > >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?
Very interesting... can you give us some numbers on the 'capacity' (5%, 50%, 99%), that is recovered and how long this is good for (1 day, 6 months, 3 years)? Will this work for all NiMH or only cells that hold a certain voltage for a certain period of time? I have a Honda Insight that has NiMH cells and this would be great. Thanks Rush Tucson AZ > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ross via EV > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 5:39 PM > To: David Miller; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations? > > David, > > NiMH can recover capacity by charging and discharging to a particular protocol. The > electrode gradually grows into a surface that has less surface area and the "crystalline" > structure can be regrown into a better configuration. We have a community college in the > western part of the state that teaches mechanics how to operate the equipment and it is > fairly common to do this with Priuses and Hondas - maybe the RAV4 as well. > > The franchised shops are called The Hybrid Shop and they are affiliated with this test > equipment company: > > Automotive Research & Design > http://www.go2hev.com/home.html > > I have not used them or the equipment but I believe it has merit. > > I certainly never heard about any illegal aspects of this. I think that is incorrect. > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:54 PM, David Miller via EV > wrote: > > > Hi All! > > > > I drive a 2002 Toyota Rav4-EV. Yes, the one with > > 24 NiHM Panasonic EV-95 batteries! Patents by Cobasys, Ovonics, > > Texaco, Chevron, BASF, > > > > The pack has pushed 131 thousand miles over 13 years. It has > > dropped to around 65% original capacity. Power is similarly limited. > > > > Last year I searched extensively for replacements but discovered > > they are illegal. (See 'Who Killed the Electric Car' for details if > > you don't know already.) > > > > * But I also read again and again that **the patents were due to > > expire* *in 2013 and 2014!* > > > > Can anyone here comment on the current patent status for large > > format NiMH batteries? > > > > Will Gold Peak manufacture GP100EVHs? > > Nilar? > > EVBTech.com? > > Panasonic? > > Sanyo? > > > > Is there any reason to hope? > > > > -David Miller > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > > scrubbed... > > URL: < > > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/bbe > > b0a57/attachment.htm > > > > > ___ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > -- > To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. > Thomas A. Edison > <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> > > A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. > *Warren Buffet* > > Michael E. Ross > (919) 585-6737 Land > (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone > (919) 631-1451 Cell > > michael.e.r...@gmail.com > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- > evdl.org/attachments/20150609/bab8ced2/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?
Thanks Michael! As to the legality of manufacturing and selling Large Format NiMH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_encumbrance_of_large_automotive_NiMH_batteries Battery reconditioning? I'd need to pull the batteries and find another vehicle. At 65 hours per cycle, 3 cycles per cell and 240 cells that figures to 46,800 hours (over 5 years!) to reconditioning with a superbrain989. Lee Hart's battery balancer could do the job many times faster. 2340 hours at TheHybridShop. Here is the HybridShops' email: "Well, the theory of the conditioning process working is right on.the issue will be the time it would take. These are 95 amp hour batteries. When you compare that to the 5.5 - 6.5 amp hour batteries in the hybrids things get very, very time consuming. A discharge using the BDU would likely take over 20 hours if the pack was fully charged. A charge cycle would take over 45 hours. The charger supplied with the BDU has a max charge rate of 2.5 amps. So, could it be done yes.but it would be weeks worth of work. The discharger only has 20 channels so it would take more than one discharge (at over 20 hours each) for every cycle and then the approximately 45 hours of charge time for each cycle. It would take one full cycle (initial discharge, 100% SOC charge, power/energy test) just to see what the pack condition is (like on any hybrid) but with the time involved that could be a pretty big cost only to find out the pack may be suffering from irreversible changes. These packs are utilized much differently than hybrids (deeper cycling during normal use) so they will age differently. It could be an interesting project but.. " -David Miller -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/5b615f51/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?
David, NiMH can recover capacity by charging and discharging to a particular protocol. The electrode gradually grows into a surface that has less surface area and the "crystalline" structure can be regrown into a better configuration. We have a community college in the western part of the state that teaches mechanics how to operate the equipment and it is fairly common to do this with Priuses and Hondas - maybe the RAV4 as well. The franchised shops are called The Hybrid Shop and they are affiliated with this test equipment company: Automotive Research & Design http://www.go2hev.com/home.html I have not used them or the equipment but I believe it has merit. I certainly never heard about any illegal aspects of this. I think that is incorrect. On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:54 PM, David Miller via EV wrote: > Hi All! > > I drive a 2002 Toyota Rav4-EV. Yes, the one with > 24 NiHM Panasonic EV-95 batteries! Patents by Cobasys, Ovonics, > Texaco, Chevron, BASF, > > The pack has pushed 131 thousand miles over 13 years. It has > dropped to around 65% original capacity. Power is similarly limited. > > Last year I searched extensively for replacements but discovered > they are illegal. (See 'Who Killed the Electric Car' for details if > you don't know already.) > > * But I also read again and again that **the patents were due to expire* > *in 2013 and 2014!* > > Can anyone here comment on the current patent status for large > format NiMH batteries? > > Will Gold Peak manufacture GP100EVHs? > Nilar? > EVBTech.com? > Panasonic? > Sanyo? > > Is there any reason to hope? > > -David Miller > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/bbeb0a57/attachment.htm > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/bab8ced2/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy
If cars on the road use computers to actually drive then there will be no more traffic jams. Jams occur because people are irrational (think they can go faster by speeding up with traffic in front of them) and have slow response time (need many yards of braking distance for response time). With connected computer controlled cars, you can drive almost bumper to bumper at speed so the capacity of existing roads is an order of magnitude (!) higher, meaning that each lane can transport the same amount of people as a multi-lane road today. In addition - *if* the roads goes over its capacity, cars will not stop-and-go which deteriorates capacity excessively, but there will be a graceful degradation that allows cars to either seek alternative routes in real time or simply accept a few minutes of slower (but constant) speed to adjust to the capacity reduction. The automatic self-driving cars will optimize their utilization, just like a phone network optimizes the amount of circuits for the maximum simultaneous amount of calls. That means that there can be an "oversubscription" rate typically in the 5 to 10 times, meaning that only 10 to 20% of cars are needed to transport the same amount of people as currently with private car ownership. To the people who bring up cornercases like "my wife is pregnant and I need to have a car sitting ready in my garage to jump into and race to the hospital", I would like to say that there are always cases where a solution needs to be tailored. I can see a business case for a differentiation in autonomous car subscription, where you can get cheaper contract and faires if you are OK with ordering longer in advance and potentially waiting longer to be picked up and a premium subscription or a temporary high-urgency add-on service that will make sure that there will always be a car within 1 minute from your home to bring you to the hospital with urgency. Lots of opportunity to make great business cases once there are automated vehicles on the road. Of course there will always be cases where it does not work as intended and where it makes sense to keep a private vehicle available for an emergency, but I suspect that those cases will become more rare over time. Similar to the evolution of EVs that we see these days. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ed Blackmond via EV Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 4:30 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy > On Jun 9, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > > On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > >> How Uber's Autonomous Cars Will Reshape The Economy By 2025 By >> SeekingAlpha, May 31, 2015 By Zack Kanter For anybody skeptical about this, I have two questions. How many people had smart phones in 2005? How many people do you know today who don't have a smart phone? > > Couple more thoughts on this > > First, I think there's still a logistical challenge to be faced with > replacing the commuter car fleet with autonomous Johnny Cab taxies -- namely, > that there's a reason why rush hour is a clusterfuck of single-occupancy > vehicles. To a first approximation, we'll still need roughly the same number > of self-driving public / private cars as we do today, because we'll still > have roughly the same number of people going to work at roughly the same > time. And those people will be as interested in sharing a ride with other > people in the future as they are today. That is, it seems to me like the > estimates in the article are naïvely assuming a fleet sized for the average > demand will suffice, whereas the fleet still needs to be sized for peak > demand. Electric grid operators could offer some insights to these analysts. Around here (Silicon Valley), the commute congestion period lasts about four hours in the evening from 3pm to 7pm. It seems to be a little more spread out in the morning. A vehicle that takes someone home from work between 3pm and 4pm could take somebody else home from work from 5pm to 6pm and pick up somebody else at 7pm and take them home. This indicates that peak size could be on the order of 1/3 of todays commuter fleet. Would a driverless car be allowed to use the HOV lane? Ed ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing d
Re: [EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy
Folks, please try to stay on topic -- EVs -- in this thread. Thanks. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] One more try
he name of the city your high school was located in? [00:24:51] Robert Clark: Thank you for the verification. I was able to verify your account. [00:26:50] Robert Clark: I have refreshed your account also check by clicking on check mail and check if it works. [00:28:29] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: Nothing in check mail or in my regular mail box. [00:28:47] Robert Clark: Okay [00:29:19] Robert Clark: Please allow me 2 minutes to check what more can be done. [00:30:47] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: ok. I do want this fixed. You have been delivering e-mail from the blocked address for ten years or more. I see no reason for it to not work now. [00:32:07] Robert Clark: Can you tell me since when are you facing this issue? [00:36:30] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: I have a couple of saved messages from this address dated 5/31/2015, think there may have been a few after that deleted as not interesting but not sure. [00:37:07] Robert Clark: Okay What I will do is check a last step on Webmail. NONE OF THE ABOVE SEEMED TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. THE FOLLOWING DID. THIS COULD BE THE PLACE TO START, maybe after adding the list address to the address book. Gail [00:37:25] Robert Clark: Can you go to the address book filed again on WebMail? [00:38:05] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: Address book open. [00:38:50] Robert Clark: Do you see Manage domain there? [00:39:08] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: Yes [00:39:17] Robert Clark: Okay open it. [00:39:50] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: opened [00:40:15] Robert Clark: Do you see add company's there? [00:40:52] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: yes [00:42:25] Robert Clark: Add the domain lists.evdl.org there and then click on save option. [00:43:53] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: done [00:44:19] Robert Clark: Great check now if the email is coming in. [00:47:46] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: Only from personal user addresses. I see in the domain menu there is an option called mailing list/group. Any chance that is where I should put the list domain? [00:52:04] Robert Clark: Yes [00:55:26] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: Trying. Have to go back to address book and probably remove <> parts from address so it can be added. [00:56:19] Robert Clark: Okay. [00:59:28] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: Looks better, will check for new mail. [01:00:12] Robert Clark: Sure you can contact him and tell him to send you a test and also tell him to mark him self as a CC. [01:05:23] Robert Clark: Did it work? [01:06:37] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: Robert, I think it did. I sent a message to the list and got it back via the list.- Original Message - From: "Gail Lucas via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 12:31 PMSubject: [EVDL] One more try> Thanks for your patience.> Gail> [01:08:41] Robert Clark: Great the test email from the lists.evdl.org came in correct? [01:10:23] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: Robert, Yes. A second one came from another member. Thank you very much. This issue was causing me a great deal of stress. Is there a way I can have a copy of our chat so if this ever comes up again I may be able to resolve it on my own? [01:11:04] Robert Clark: You're Welcome what is the email address that you want me to Email you the chat on? [01:11:34] gaildlu...@earthlink.net: gaildlu...@earthlink.net [01:11:49] Robert Clark: Thank you for your co-operation with out you it could not have been done. - Original Message - From: "Peter Eckhoff via EV" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] One more try What was the problem? On 6/9/2015 3:58 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: I am back. Thanks for the test messages. Took about three hours of a chat to get this resolved but I did not want to lose the list connection. Gail - Original Message - From: "Michael Ross via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] One more try Gail Lucas test On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: Thanks for your patience. Gail ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/0b6cf451/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRI
Re: [EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy
> On Jun 9, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > > On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > >> How Uber's Autonomous Cars Will Reshape The Economy By 2025 >> By SeekingAlpha, May 31, 2015 By Zack Kanter For anybody skeptical about this, I have two questions. How many people had smart phones in 2005? How many people do you know today who don’t have a smart phone? > > Couple more thoughts on this > > First, I think there's still a logistical challenge to be faced with > replacing the commuter car fleet with autonomous Johnny Cab taxies -- namely, > that there's a reason why rush hour is a clusterfuck of single-occupancy > vehicles. To a first approximation, we'll still need roughly the same number > of self-driving public / private cars as we do today, because we'll still > have roughly the same number of people going to work at roughly the same > time. And those people will be as interested in sharing a ride with other > people in the future as they are today. That is, it seems to me like the > estimates in the article are naïvely assuming a fleet sized for the average > demand will suffice, whereas the fleet still needs to be sized for peak > demand. Electric grid operators could offer some insights to these analysts. Around here (Silicon Valley), the commute congestion period lasts about four hours in the evening from 3pm to 7pm. It seems to be a little more spread out in the morning. A vehicle that takes someone home from work between 3pm and 4pm could take somebody else home from work from 5pm to 6pm and pick up somebody else at 7pm and take them home. This indicates that peak size could be on the order of 1/3 of todays commuter fleet. Would a driverless car be allowed to use the HOV lane? Ed ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Large Format NiMH Battery Patent Expirations?
Hi All! I drive a 2002 Toyota Rav4-EV. Yes, the one with 24 NiHM Panasonic EV-95 batteries! Patents by Cobasys, Ovonics, Texaco, Chevron, BASF, The pack has pushed 131 thousand miles over 13 years. It has dropped to around 65% original capacity. Power is similarly limited. Last year I searched extensively for replacements but discovered they are illegal. (See 'Who Killed the Electric Car' for details if you don't know already.) * But I also read again and again that **the patents were due to expire* *in 2013 and 2014!* Can anyone here comment on the current patent status for large format NiMH batteries? Will Gold Peak manufacture GP100EVHs? Nilar? EVBTech.com? Panasonic? Sanyo? Is there any reason to hope? -David Miller -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/bbeb0a57/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] One more try
What was the problem? On 6/9/2015 3:58 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: I am back. Thanks for the test messages. Took about three hours of a chat to get this resolved but I did not want to lose the list connection. Gail - Original Message - From: "Michael Ross via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] One more try Gail Lucas test On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: Thanks for your patience. Gail ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/0b6cf451/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy
On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > How Uber's Autonomous Cars Will Reshape The Economy By 2025 > By SeekingAlpha, May 31, 2015 By Zack Kanter Couple more thoughts on this First, I think there's still a logistical challenge to be faced with replacing the commuter car fleet with autonomous Johnny Cab taxies -- namely, that there's a reason why rush hour is a clusterfuck of single-occupancy vehicles. To a first approximation, we'll still need roughly the same number of self-driving public / private cars as we do today, because we'll still have roughly the same number of people going to work at roughly the same time. And those people will be as interested in sharing a ride with other people in the future as they are today. That is, it seems to me like the estimates in the article are naïvely assuming a fleet sized for the average demand will suffice, whereas the fleet still needs to be sized for peak demand. Electric grid operators could offer some insights to these analysts. But, of more immediate interest...an autonomous fleet _might_ potentially be practical with much more limited per-vehicle range than is traditionally assumed for personal BEVs. A car with "only" the Leaf's 100-mile range could be in use for a couple hours and take a few fares to their destinations, break for half an hour for charging, and get back on the road. With computerized dispatch, passengers would never even have to think about range unless their one-way trip exceeded the vehicle's practical ability -- possible in a sprawling metropolis, but rare...and, in such cases, it'd be only the most minor of inconveniences for the system to have a transfer vehicle ready and waiting at the halfway point, which is geometrically very likely to be close to the center of the biggest downtown area anyway. Of course, even then, more range is better; a car with a 400-mile range could run fares all day long and only have to stop to charge in the dead of night...but that's a question of minimizing capital investment for the cab company, shaving the number of cars needed for the system and permitting them to better centralize charging facilities. ...and, of course, it may well be the case in the interim that an autonomous ICE-based taxicab will be a more practical initial platform than a BEV version, with the operators starting with a central fueling station whose facilities get converted to an electric charging station as they replace the fleet with electrics Cheers, b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/2ebbfe39/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] One more try
Earthlink has been blocking some EVDL messages for about the last week. This affects Gail, Lee, and two other people. You might call it antispam overachieving. :-\ AOL is another mail provider that tends to go overboard at times, blocking our email. Gail, many thanks for your heroic efforts on this! I hope that the fix that you worked so hard to get will solve the problem for the other Earthlink users too. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Still testing
Got it. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: > > I have received two responses but both were from the users addresses, not > from the ev list address which is the one being blocked. Thanks for helping. > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] One more try
I am back. Thanks for the test messages. Took about three hours of a chat to get this resolved but I did not want to lose the list connection. Gail - Original Message - From: "Michael Ross via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] One more try Gail Lucas test On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: Thanks for your patience. Gail ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/0b6cf451/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] One more try
Gail Lucas test On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: > Thanks for your patience. > Gail > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150609/0b6cf451/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Re: [EVDL] Test
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Re: [EVDL] Test
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[EVDL] Test
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Re: [EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy
On Jun 9, 2015, at 6:02 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> Virtually
> all of these 10 million jobs will be eliminated within 10-15 years, and this
> list is by no means exhaustive.
This is the big wildcard -- and not just as it relates to vehicles, electric or
otherwise.
Not since the Industrial Revolution has there been such a massive shift in the
job market...and this round of universal automation is set to make the
Industrial Revolution look like a minor managerial restructuring.
As I recall, the transportation sector is actually the largest in America
today, with drivers the majority of its employees. The article elsewhere claims
that this industry will be effectively eliminated ("PricewaterhouseCoopers
predicts that the number of vehicles on the road will be reduced by 99%,
estimating that the fleet will fall from 245 million to just 2.4 million
vehicles."), something I'd take with a large grain of salt...
...but even just the obsolescence of the professional driver, from taxis to
tractor-trailers, will be monumental.
And, for once, there really isn't any realistic alternative for employment. In
the Industrial Revolution, farm laborers could readily adapt to factory jobs.
Factory workers were then told to find jobs in the service industry, which was
possible but generally a step down the skill and economic ladder. But now that
we're automating the service industry...what job, exactly, is an
automated-out-of-existence taxi-driving ex-machinist supposed to get? Even fast
food isn't an option; the burger joints already have far more people banging
down the doors to work for them than they can employ.
At some point, and very soon, we as a society are going to have to come to
grips with the fact that, for the first time in human history, there are many
more people than there's work that needs to be done -- and, very soon, only
enough work to keep busy a minority of the population.
Somehow or another, of necessity, we're going to have to make idleness a
virtue. But how?
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[EVDL] Fan-Valdes Wins i3 EV With Halfcourt Shot During NBA Finals Game2 (v)
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Fan-Wins-BMW-With-Halfcourt-Shot-During-Warriors-Cavs-Game-2-306436411.html
Warriors Fan, "Jason From San Jose," Wins BMW With Halfcourt Shot During NBA
Finals Game 2
By Riya Bhattacharjee and Danielle Abreu
[video flash
A Warriors fan won a brand new BMW i3 [EV] with a halfcourt shot in the
third quarter of Game 2 of the NBA Finals. Video by Phillip Nguyen.
(Published Sunday, Jun 7, 2015)
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Golden St. Warriors @warriors
Dear Jason Valdes,
Your friends will never question your long range game again. Enjoy your BMW
i3!
#DubNation
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Dude just hit a half court shot and won a BMW
#UltimateShot #BMW
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3114823/Half-court-shot-NBA-Finals-game-wins-free-BMW-Jason-Valdes.html
The moment a fans sinks half-court shot at NBA Finals to win a $40,000 BMW
By Evan Bleier For Dailymail.com 7 June 2015
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The 2015 automobile's suggested retail price is $43,350 and the car can go
from zero to 60mph in 6.5 seconds
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Watch This Warriors Fan Hit A Half-Court Shot And Win A BMW
By Andy Isaac • 06.07.15
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Warriors' Fan Sinks Half-Court Shot to Win Car
NBA Jun 7, 2015
During the break, a fan at Oracle Arena nailed a shot from half court to
take home a car.
] ...
Even Warriors fans have range well beyond the three-point line. At halftime
of Game 2 of the NBA Finals, Golden State Warriors fan Jason Valdes won a
BMW i3 after sinking a half-court shot. Here was the view from the crowd.
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WATCH: Warriors fan sinks half-court shot, wins car
06/08/2015 ...
For his efforts, Valdes won a BMW i3.
The Warriors, however, lost the game to the Cleveland Cavaliers, 93-95.
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[EVDL] How Uber's Auton-EVs will reshape the economy
http://www.nasdaq.com/article/how-ubers-autonomous-cars-will-reshape-the-economy-by-2025-cm482029 How Uber's Autonomous Cars Will Reshape The Economy By 2025 By SeekingAlpha, May 31, 2015 By Zack Kanter I have spent quite a bit of time lately thinking about autonomous cars, and I wanted to summarize my current thoughts and predictions. Most people -- experts included -- seem to think that the transition to driverless vehicles will come slowly over the coming few decades, and that large hurdles exist for widespread adoption. I believe that this is significant underestimation. Autonomous cars will be commonplace by 2025 and have a near monopoly by 2030, and the sweeping change they bring will eclipse every other innovation our society has experienced. They will cause unprecedented job loss and a fundamental restructuring of our economy, solve large portions of our environmental problems, prevent tens of thousands of deaths per year, save millions of hours with increased productivity, and create entire new industries that we cannot even imagine from our current vantage point. The transition is already beginning to happen. Elon Musk, Tesla Motor's CEO, says that their 2015 models will be able to self-drive 90 percent of the time. 1 And the major automakers aren't far behind - according to Bloomberg News, GM's 2017 models will feature "technology that takes control of steering, acceleration and braking at highway speeds of 70 miles per hour or in stop-and-go congested traffic." 2 Both Google 3 and Tesla 4 predict that fully-autonomous cars - what Musk describes as "true autonomous driving where you could literally get in the car, go to sleep and wake up at your destination" - will be available to the public by 2020. How it will unfold Industry experts think that consumers will be slow to purchase autonomous cars - while this may be true, it is a mistake to assume that this will impede the transition. Morgan Stanley's research shows that cars are driven just 4% of the time, 5 which is an astonishing waste considering that the average cost of car ownership is nearly $9,000 per year. 6 Next to a house, an automobile is the second most expensive asset that most people will ever buy - it is no surprise that ride sharing services like Uber and car sharing services like Zipcar are quickly gaining popularity as an alternative to car ownership. It is now more economical to use a ride sharing service if you live in a city and drive less than 10,000 miles per year. 7 The impact on private car ownership is enormous: a UC-Berkeley study showed that vehicle ownership among car sharing users was cut in half. 8 The car purchasers of the future will not be you and me - cars will be purchased and operated by ride sharing and car sharing companies. And current research confirms that we would be eager to use autonomous cars if they were available. A full 60% of US adults surveyed stated that they would ride in an autonomous car 9 , and nearly 32% said they would not continue to drive once an autonomous car was available instead. 10 But no one is more excited than Uber - drivers take home at least 75% of every fare. 11 It came as no surprise when CEO Travis Kalanick recently stated that Uber will eventually replace all of its drivers with self-driving cars. 12 A Columbia University study suggested that with a fleet of just 9,000 autonomous cars, Uber could replace every taxi cab in New York City 13 - passengers would wait an average of 36 seconds for a ride that costs about $0.50 per mile. 14 Such convenience and low cost will make car ownership inconceivable, and autonomous, on-demand taxis - the 'transportation cloud' - will quickly become dominant form of transportation - displacing far more than just car ownership, it will take the majority of users away from public transportation as well. With their $41 billion valuation, 15 replacing all 171,000 taxis 16 in the United States is well within the realm of feasibility - at a cost of $25,000 per car, the rollout would cost a mere $4.3 billion. Fallout The effects of the autonomous car movement will be staggering. PricewaterhouseCoopers predicts that the number of vehicles on the road will be reduced by 99%, estimating that the fleet will fall from 245 million to just 2.4 million vehicles. 17 Disruptive innovation does not take kindly to entrenched competitors - like Blockbuster, Barnes and Noble, Polaroid, and dozens more like them, it is unlikely that major automakers like General Motors , Ford , and Toyota will survive the leap. They are geared to produce millions of cars in dozens of different varieties to cater to individual taste and have far too much overhead to sustain such a dramatic decrease in sales. I think that most will be bankrupt by 2030, while startup automakers like Tesla will thrive on a smaller number of fleet sales to operators like Uber by offering standardized models with fewer options. Ancillary industries such as the $198 billion automobile insur
[EVDL] EVLN: Schwarzenegger Blows Up ice> promoting green reform
'Plus-Up> plugin incentives for price-pinched CA households' http://www.autoevolution.com/news/arnold-schwarzenegger-blows-up-a-cadillac-as-a-greet-to-california-senators-green-car-bill-video-96121.html Arnold Schwarzenegger Blows Up a Cadillac as a Greet to California Senator’s Green Car Bill - Video by Ionut Ungureanu 1st June 2015 [image http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news-314/arnold-schwarzenegger-blows-up-a-cadillac-as-a-greet-to-california-senators-green-car-bill-video-96121-7.jpg videos flash ] We’re no experts in politics, but we know this much: the state of California has been trying to become a leader when it comes to its environmental bills. Luckily, some of the reforms Hollywood icon Arnold Schwarzenegger made produced a starting point for other politicians to follow. Take President Pro-Tem of the California State Senate Kevin de Leon, who has been pushing forward a bill that apparently comes to the likes of the actor. To understand how blowing up an old Cadillac with a grenade launcher helps the environment we first need to look at the bill California senator has been pushing forward. Long story short, the point is the State is helping low-income families save money with fuel-efficient and ultra-clean cars. The pilot project is called the Enhanced Fleet Modernization Program (EFMP) and is currently running in the Greater Los Angeles area and San Joaquin Valley. According to the California Environmental Protection Agency, the program works by providing increasingly larger cash payments for the lowest-income families to move up to the very cleanest cars. “Under this program, for example, it is possible for a family that meets the income guidelines to receive $12,000 toward the purchase of an electric car,” the bill is described. But like any other pilot program, the best way to get acknowledgment is to be creative, to come up with bold ideas people will remember. So what did de Leon do? He destroyed a car in public while making sure the press was watching. According to Biz Journals, he said something about California leading a green revolution. Then, while holding a small girl in his arms, he cheered alongside a small army of environmental advocates and watched how an old Ford Ranger was being crushed. Here’s where Schwarzenegger comes in. The Terminator star posted a 60-second video in which he’s thanking de Leon for his efforts to put more green cars in the hands of those who will actually use it. Whether or not he knew about the little car-crushing the Senate's leader did, we don’t know. But one thing is clear, the two share the same views on making a green reform look mean. [© autoevolution.com] ... https://www.yahoo.com/autos/arnold-schwarzenegger-shows-politician-the-best-120619638477.html Arnold Schwarzenegger Shows Politician The Best Way To Terminate Old Cars Alex Lloyd June 3, 2015 http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098510_california-helps-low-income-drivers-switch-to-electric-cars California Helps Low-Income Drivers Switch To Electric Cars By Bengt Halvorson May 29, 2015 ht2 Brian Henderson [image http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/info-sheet-for-california-efmp-plus-up-clean-vehicle-incentive-pilot-program_100511995_l.jpg Info sheet for California EFMP Plus-Up clean-vehicle incentive pilot program ] California is introducing a new ‘Plus-Up’ pilot project that should make plug-in hybrids and electric vehicles a lot more affordable. Considering recent news that prices on used electric cars are on a downward spiral, and with families potentially eligible to receive as much as $12,000 toward the purchase of an electric car (used is fine)—plus up to $2,000 for a charging unit—some households could land an electric vehicle at net-zero cost. If you live in California and think this is great news, it is. But hold on before you head to the dealership. To qualify, you have to live in one of two problematic air-pollution zones: either the South Coast Air Quality Management District (covering some of Greater Los Angeles) or the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District. Specifically, within those regions, you must reside in “a zip code that contains a disadvantaged census tract,” as the Air Resource Board explains (this document, with a series of localized maps, helps clarify that). Cleaner transportation for price-pinched households Simply put, buyers with the lowest incomes, purchasing the cleanest vehicles, are eligible for the highest incentive amounts—provided as “cash payments.” Retirees in gated subdivisions and households in other affluent communities probably won’t qualify for this one. Those who are considered by the program to be Low Income (225 percent of the federal poverty level or less) qualify for a hybrid that’s rated higher than 35 mpg, or $9,500 toward a plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle. Meanwhile, Moderate Income households (226 to 300 percent of the poverty level) qualify for $5,000 toward those hybrids, or $7,500 toward a
[EVDL] EVLN: BMW Celebrates the First Year of the i3
https://transportevolved.com/2015/05/28/bmw-celebrates-the-first-year-of-the-i3/
BMW Celebrates the First Year of the i3
By Michael Thwaite • May 28, 2015
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Tom Moloughney with Manny Antunes taking delivery of the first 2014 BMW i3
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Ariel view of Crevier during the celebration of the BMW i3 first
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This month marks the first anniversary of the launch of the BMW i3 in the
US. The first car went to Boston resident, Charles Rabie on May 2nd, 2015,
the second, to our very own New Jersey resident, Pamela Thwaite, a.k.a.
ElectraGirl and fellow New Jersey Resident Eddie Bortell.
The cars had arrived at port in the US earlier in the month with the first
deliveries starting on May 3rd, 2015. Last minute issues over the Monroney
sticker on the models with range extenders installed, delayed their delivery
by nearly a month until May 2ist, with another New Jersey resident, Tom
Moloughney taking first delivery of that model.
The i3 was born to be a city car, indeed, its prototype was named the
Mega-City car however, many owners have taken to the car as their primary
vehicle pushing milages far beyond city limits. Aided by the gasoline
range-extender, Tom Moloughney drove his up to Vermont, a total of 462 miles
there and back.
One year on and BMW have sold more than 20,000 examples globally of this
clean-sheet interpretation of what the electric car should look like for a
city environment. To celebrate, a few members of the i3 Facebook group –
that started life with the first orders in 2013 – gathered together to plan
an anniversary, BMW were invited and before long the event turned into a
nationwide celebration with dealers across the US participating. Those that
did, offered t-shirts and badges to attendees as well as raffling JuiceBox
Pro 40 EVSEs.
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All-Electric Supercar Developed In Silicon Valley On Display At Gumball3000
Rally In San Francisco
By Gregg Rosenblum May 29, 2015
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A Renovo Motors Coupe at the 2015 Gumball3000 checkpoint in San Francisco’s
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Under the hood of the Renovo Motors Coupe at the 2015 Gumball3000 checkpoint
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The interior of the Renovo Motors Coupe
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SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF) — An all-electric supercar developed in Silicon
Valley was on display at the Gumball3000 rally event in San Francisco
Wednesday.
The Renovo Motors Coupe features a design based on the iconic Shelby Daytona
Coupe from the 1960’s. The Renovo team worked with Shelby American to
develop the body and chassis.
The Coupe’s stats are staggering, with 1,000 ft-lbs of torque, and over 500
horsepower on tap, 0-60 mph comes in just 3.4 seconds.
The all-electric sports car only has a range of about 100-miles, but is
capable of charging fully in just thirty minutes.
The coupe’s technology may eventually trickle down into cars for the masses,
but for now prices start around half a million dollars.
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