Re: [EVDL] NACS Implementation Timeline from EV Manufacturers
On 14 Jan 2024 at 17:13, Tom Keenan via EV wrote: > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... Hmm, it appears that there's no plain text content in the message. Here's what it says:: > Borrowing from another thread, here is a list of expected transition > timeframes for various EV manufacturers to the NACS standard inlet. > In general, most new EVs will have NACS (and thus move away from CCS) > late in 2024 or early next year. The article doesn't really address a > timeline for current CCS EVSE to transition to NACS, only that it will > be an ongoing process. Hopefully billing from Tesla supercharging > sites will work out better than it does on the current crop of CCS > fast chargers out there. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Nothing is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King Jr = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Charge to 100% after discharging to 0% for BMS equalization.
Yeah, My procedure is to charge to 75% overnight normally, or higher if needed. 3-4 times a year I need to take a road trip, so I charge to 90% overnight, then 2 hours before I am about to leave, I'll take it to 100% to give it time to balance. (I have ternary/NMC not LFP) The pack doesn't sit too long at 100% when you hit the highway. You really don't need to worry too much about balance unless you see a drop in range, then do a balance, and if you get some range back after a week or so, do it again and ad nauseum until you don't see any gain. I think doing it a few times a year does a pretty good job of keeping it in-check, but all packs are different, so YMMV. On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 6:27 PM Mark Hanson wrote: > Thanks Phil for the informative reply. I plugged in immediately when > getting in the driveway and waited a couple hours before unloading, chain > sawing and splitting the wood (with an electric Worx chain saw and Swisher > electric log splitter). > Last time I charged to 100% was at Cocoa Beach Florida in October. Some > EVers told me to just charge to 80% like I normally do and others say to > charge to 100% after a deep discharge- so I split the difference and > charged to 90% :-) > Next time I’ll charge to 100% is when going to Gatlinburg, Oak Ridge Tn > and Mammoth Cave Ky in February. > Stay Charged, > Mark > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:41 PM, (-Phil-) wrote: > > > You are fine, just don't let it sit at low SoC. The "battery damage" > comes from the fact that Tesla's BMS on the 3/Y are somewhat parasitic, and > continue to suck power from a discharged pack. There is added degradation > from time spent at low SoC, but not "damage". > > You do not need to do a balance charge often. I'd say 3 to 4 times a year > is sufficient, just do not let it sit at 100% after this charge. Plan to > drive it soon after it finishes. LFP is less susceptible to this kind of > degradation, but it still happens. > > On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 1:20 PM Mark Hanson via EV > wrote: > >> Hi folks >> I just did a bad thing , hauled a bunch of firewood in my 5x8 Lowe’s >> trailer behind my Tesla Y and the range dropped more than I thought it >> would. I didn’t run the mini split heat pump and kept speed at 45mph (much >> to the chagrin of red neck truck drivers behind me) and got home at 0%. >> When I turned the EV off the display said charge immediately or cause >> battery damage! >> When I used to convert EVs with balancers on LiFePO4 chemistry, to >> rebalance the pack after a deep discharge, I’d charge to 100% once >> (normally 80%). >> What’s best? >> Mark in Roanoke va >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ >> >> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240114/27c65bb2/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Charge to 100% after discharging to 0% for BMS equalization.
Thanks Phil for the informative reply. I plugged in immediately when getting in the driveway and waited a couple hours before unloading, chain sawing and splitting the wood (with an electric Worx chain saw and Swisher electric log splitter). Last time I charged to 100% was at Cocoa Beach Florida in October. Some EVers told me to just charge to 80% like I normally do and others say to charge to 100% after a deep discharge- so I split the difference and charged to 90% :-) Next time I’ll charge to 100% is when going to Gatlinburg, Oak Ridge Tn and Mammoth Cave Ky in February. Stay Charged, Mark Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2024, at 4:41 PM, (-Phil-) wrote: You are fine, just don't let it sit at low SoC. The "battery damage" comes from the fact that Tesla's BMS on the 3/Y are somewhat parasitic, and continue to suck power from a discharged pack. There is added degradation from time spent at low SoC, but not "damage". You do not need to do a balance charge often. I'd say 3 to 4 times a year is sufficient, just do not let it sit at 100% after this charge. Plan to drive it soon after it finishes. LFP is less susceptible to this kind of degradation, but it still happens. On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 1:20 PM Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > Hi folks > I just did a bad thing , hauled a bunch of firewood in my 5x8 Lowe’s trailer > behind my Tesla Y and the range dropped more than I thought it would. I > didn’t run the mini split heat pump and kept speed at 45mph (much to the > chagrin of red neck truck drivers behind me) and got home at 0%. When I > turned the EV off the display said charge immediately or cause battery > damage! > When I used to convert EVs with balancers on LiFePO4 chemistry, to rebalance > the pack after a deep discharge, I’d charge to 100% once (normally 80%). > What’s best? > Mark in Roanoke va > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240114/d2d18c48/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
[EVDL] NACS Implementation Timeline from EV Manufacturers
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Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas
Agreed, and this is why Tesla doesn't do this, as well as only offering only a few mechanical variants or each model. On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 3:32 PM Rush via EV wrote: > Mark specifically said software, but if the orig poster meant Hardware, > and that > Tesla should sell models without the hardware for FSD, Enhanced Autopilot, > Seat > heating, Premium connectivity, etc, then I would think that would make the > cars > much more expensive. For example, instead of having one steering system > that would > accommodate all the Tesla variations and needs only to be OTA software > updated to > upgrade from one level to another, you'd have several distinctly different > system. > So you'd have different softwires, different hardwires, increased shipping > and > stocking cost, increased production costs for different builds etc. Sort > of > defeating the point of an affordable car. > > I sort of think that my Tesla is like a swiss army knife, and we all know > how > popular they and their off shoots have become. I don't need the scissors > until I > need to cut something, so I just unfold them, use them and put them away > when I > don't need them, just like I do with the other blades. And the same is > true with a > Tesla, when I need the FSD, I pull down on the steering wheel lever, use > it, > otherwise is invisible and not in any way a problem. If I want to use the > map > features of the center console, I just tap an icon and there it is, true I > have to > pay an extra $10 or so a month, but along with all the other enhances I > get, it is > well worth it. > > Best regards, > > Rush Dougherty > TucsonEV > www.TucsonEV.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: EV On Behalf Of (-Phil-) via EV > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2024 3:22 PM > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > > Cc: (-Phil-) > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas > > > > He means not including the hardware. All cars get the same hardware. > > They can't do this because the other driver assistance features > (Automatic > > Emergency Braking, etc), are delivered by the same Autopilot ECU. (Tesla > > calls the APE) Also included is the GPS receiver used for navigation, > and > > the rear camera used for the (now required) RV camera function. > > > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 11:04?AM John Blair via EV > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Mark E. Hanson via EV > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > It would also be nice if Tesla made a non-self driving "Autopilot" > > > > less > > > car > > > > - and sell for less $$. > > > > > > As far as I know, all of the Tesla's are available without the Full > > > Self Driving and Autopilot software. Since you have to pay extra for > > > those features, they are cheaper. Maybe you meant something different? > > > > > > > > > John > > > John Blair > > > > > > ___ > > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > > > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- > > evdl.org/attachments/20240114/e3b2e53d/attachment.htm> > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. > > www.avg.com > > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240114/6686eec1/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas
Mark specifically said software, but if the orig poster meant Hardware, and that Tesla should sell models without the hardware for FSD, Enhanced Autopilot, Seat heating, Premium connectivity, etc, then I would think that would make the cars much more expensive. For example, instead of having one steering system that would accommodate all the Tesla variations and needs only to be OTA software updated to upgrade from one level to another, you'd have several distinctly different system. So you'd have different softwires, different hardwires, increased shipping and stocking cost, increased production costs for different builds etc. Sort of defeating the point of an affordable car. I sort of think that my Tesla is like a swiss army knife, and we all know how popular they and their off shoots have become. I don't need the scissors until I need to cut something, so I just unfold them, use them and put them away when I don't need them, just like I do with the other blades. And the same is true with a Tesla, when I need the FSD, I pull down on the steering wheel lever, use it, otherwise is invisible and not in any way a problem. If I want to use the map features of the center console, I just tap an icon and there it is, true I have to pay an extra $10 or so a month, but along with all the other enhances I get, it is well worth it. Best regards, Rush Dougherty TucsonEV www.TucsonEV.com > -Original Message- > From: EV On Behalf Of (-Phil-) via EV > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2024 3:22 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: (-Phil-) > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas > > He means not including the hardware. All cars get the same hardware. > They can't do this because the other driver assistance features (Automatic > Emergency Braking, etc), are delivered by the same Autopilot ECU. (Tesla > calls the APE) Also included is the GPS receiver used for navigation, and > the rear camera used for the (now required) RV camera function. > > On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 11:04?AM John Blair via EV > wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Mark E. Hanson via EV > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > It would also be nice if Tesla made a non-self driving "Autopilot" > > > less > > car > > > - and sell for less $$. > > > > As far as I know, all of the Tesla's are available without the Full > > Self Driving and Autopilot software. Since you have to pay extra for > > those features, they are cheaper. Maybe you meant something different? > > > > > > John > > John Blair > > > > ___ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- > evdl.org/attachments/20240114/e3b2e53d/attachment.htm> > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. > www.avg.com ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
[EVDL] EV Standards, was: Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs...
As a current owner of a non-working Gizmo EV, I can offer that the steering appeared to be daunting, but operated in the same manner as an ordinary motorcycle and required zero adaptation. I believe the handgrips on my 2003 unit were fashioned from an F-16 but the buttons operated also in the typical motorcycle manner. Turn signals, wiper, horn. Having an accelerator trigger with a 5 mm travel meant one should be sensitive with the application of power, however. People found the top hinged door amusing and far too often compared it to the Isetta, the steering to a skid-steer. As an aside, if one wants to own one of the 36 manufactured, I'm open to offers. It does appear to be a candidate for Barn Finds, however. -- Original Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 14:02:54 + (UTC) From: Lawrence Winiarski Good point.??? The "Gizmo"? EV steering was 2 levers on the floor,? I guess like some trikes. End of Original Message 1 -- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240114/2096ac0b/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas
He means not including the hardware. All cars get the same hardware. They can't do this because the other driver assistance features (Automatic Emergency Braking, etc), are delivered by the same Autopilot ECU. (Tesla calls the APE) Also included is the GPS receiver used for navigation, and the rear camera used for the (now required) RV camera function. On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 11:04 AM John Blair via EV wrote: > > > On Jan 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Mark E. Hanson via EV > wrote: > > > > It would also be nice if Tesla made a non-self driving "Autopilot" less > car > > - and sell for less $$. > > As far as I know, all of the Tesla’s are available without the Full Self > Driving and Autopilot software. Since you have to pay extra for those > features, they are cheaper. Maybe you meant something different? > > > John > John Blair > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240114/e3b2e53d/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Charge to 100% after discharging to 0% for BMS equalization.
My 74kWh 2018 Model 3 has this: BMS_energyBuffer: 3.10 kWh So at 0% user-indicated SoC, there is still 3.1kWh remaining. On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 1:47 PM Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > > What's best? > > For a Tesla? No idea, but my gut feeling is that when the > instrumentation indicates 0% state of charge, there's probably still > 5-10% left in the battery. You'll be fine. Read your warranty just in case. > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240114/fa2f03fe/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars | Reuters
To be clear: Tesla's with "one pedal" mode (called "hold") uses regen until low speeds where it's not enough, then uses the iBooster to apply hydraulic brakes. It fades in the hydraulic almost perfectly, and holds the brakes firmly on even with no feet touching pedals until you press the accelerator again. On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 6:58 PM Rush via EV wrote: > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: EV On Behalf Of Haudy Kazemi via EV > > Single pedal cannot give you maximum stopping force, unless it is > configured > to > > apply max force upon release. That doesn't seem like a good idea for a > smooth > > driving experience. I don't see the brake pedal disappearing. > > When I drive my Model 3, I rarely use the brake pedal, sometimes not even > once a > trip and I do 3-5 trips a day about 5 miles each. For my last trip today, > which > was 7.8 miles, I used 4% of my battery, Range used was 6.1 miles - meaning > I > regened 1.7 miles and my efficiency was 128%. And here's one from earlier > today > where I stepped on the go pedal, distance 0.7 miles, battery used 1%, > Range used > 1.2miles (so I really stepped on it!), and efficiency was 55%. Even when I > step > on it, it is very easy to slow back down to a legal limit by just letting > up on > the go pedal. > > Best regards, > > Rush Dougherty > TucsonEV > 1014 E King St > Tucson AZ 85719 > 520 240 7493 > www.TucsonEV.com > > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240114/8f6bc3e3/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
[EVDL] Charge to 100% after discharging to 0% for BMS equalization.
> What's best? For a Tesla? No idea, but my gut feeling is that when the instrumentation indicates 0% state of charge, there's probably still 5-10% left in the battery. You'll be fine. Read your warranty just in case. ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Charge to 100% after discharging to 0% for BMS equalization.
You are fine, just don't let it sit at low SoC. The "battery damage" comes from the fact that Tesla's BMS on the 3/Y are somewhat parasitic, and continue to suck power from a discharged pack. There is added degradation from time spent at low SoC, but not "damage". You do not need to do a balance charge often. I'd say 3 to 4 times a year is sufficient, just do not let it sit at 100% after this charge. Plan to drive it soon after it finishes. LFP is less susceptible to this kind of degradation, but it still happens. On Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 1:20 PM Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > Hi folks > I just did a bad thing , hauled a bunch of firewood in my 5x8 Lowe’s > trailer behind my Tesla Y and the range dropped more than I thought it > would. I didn’t run the mini split heat pump and kept speed at 45mph (much > to the chagrin of red neck truck drivers behind me) and got home at 0%. > When I turned the EV off the display said charge immediately or cause > battery damage! > When I used to convert EVs with balancers on LiFePO4 chemistry, to > rebalance the pack after a deep discharge, I’d charge to 100% once > (normally 80%). > What’s best? > Mark in Roanoke va > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240114/1a46c5b4/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
[EVDL] Charge to 100% after discharging to 0% for BMS equalization.
Hi folks I just did a bad thing , hauled a bunch of firewood in my 5x8 Lowe’s trailer behind my Tesla Y and the range dropped more than I thought it would. I didn’t run the mini split heat pump and kept speed at 45mph (much to the chagrin of red neck truck drivers behind me) and got home at 0%. When I turned the EV off the display said charge immediately or cause battery damage! When I used to convert EVs with balancers on LiFePO4 chemistry, to rebalance the pack after a deep discharge, I’d charge to 100% once (normally 80%). What’s best? Mark in Roanoke va Sent from my iPhone ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] 156v Tech assistance needed
The reason people use charge controllers is mainly to stop overcharge. The secondary benefit with a controller that can do boost or buck is MPPT (Maximum Power Point Tracking), so you can couple the PV to the battery more effectively and waste less of the energy as heat. If you hook ten 120W 12 volt panels (~ 10 amps each) in parallel with your 12 volt battery, you would get (theoretically) 100 amps in. If you hook those same panels up in series, you would get 12 volts out at 10 amps. The voltage stays at 12v when hooked to the battery, not the ~120v it would be open-circuit. The ideal voltage the panels "want" to operate at depends on several factors, and a well-engineered MPPT controller can let the PV panels operate in their ideal voltage range for any given condition, while letting the battery voltage be what it is going to be. This changes throughout the day, and can also be different every day as sun angles and temperatures, change and PV panels age. I recommend configuring your array for a voltage higher than your pack, and then use an MPPT controller to buck down to the pack's voltage, without the need for pack reconfiguration. The idea you have about contactors will likely not work without using a separate BMS for each sub-pack segment. There are few off-the-shelf BMS' that will allow this kind of re-configuration safely. We use a custom-engineered MPPT boost controller on our vans ( https://maxwellvehicles.com/). It takes 4 panels at about 150 volts total and uses an MPPT algorithm to boost the PV voltage to the pack voltage (~375v). This is another way to do it, but we couldn't find anything off-the-shelf so we built it ourselves. (Picture Link: https://ingineerix.com/pic/?maxwell-epro-solar-mppt ) On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 8:43 AM paul dove via EV wrote: > Hey John, > You say you run your shop off of the 24v setup….. do you have an inverter > that makes 120VAC? Or 240VAC? > Seems to me that all you need is an inverter and a charger. There would be > some losses but simple to implement. > If you go straight to the battery from the array you could use a DC to DC > converter. Not sure of availability at those voltages. Let me think a bit > and I’ll back to you. > Paul > > > Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, January 12, 2024, 9:21 PM, John McIntire via EV < > ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Having read this list for several years now, and commented occasionally, I > know there some electrical engineers out there. It is to you I address this > problem. > > I am now the proud owner of a '96 Solectria Force which will be receiving > a new battery made up of 48, 280A LiFePo4 prismatic cells. The Force was > designed to run at 156v (13 lead acid batteries). My primary power source > is a 16 panel, 8.5 Kw PV array. Max voltage under load is 43v/panel at 13A. > There is no back up power as I am not grid tied. I do have a small domestic > 24v Li battery to run my shop. The Force battery will be equipped with a > robust BMS. > > I can configure the panels to provide 172v at 52A in full sun but I know > that the voltage and amp will be unstable which does not promote longevity > in Li cells. Normal circumstances have a charge controller between the > battery and the array to even out the voltage. Normal charge controllers > are 48v or less. I would like to find or build a buck/boost circuit that > would match the battery. > > I think I could break the Force battery into 3, 16s packs, charge them > parallel at 48v+ and then reconnect in series for discharge. I think 2 > contactors per pack along with appropriate safety devices would do the job > but that seems cumbersome at best if workable. > > I am not an engineer. I do have 30 years experience with automotive > electronics. Since partial retirement, over the past 15 years I have > converted an S-10 and 2 tractors to run as EVs. So I am somewhat familiar > with the concepts and pitfalls. > > I would appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks in advance. > > John M > > "Money doesn't talk, it swears"--Bob Dylan > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240113/c226d4e6/attachment.htm > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240114/3a4e6d59/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Rental giant Hertz dumps EVs, including Teslas, for gas cars | Reuters
Good point. The "Gizmo" EV steering was 2 levers on the floor, I guess like some trikes. I remember the quote from the Tanenbaum book"The great thing about standards is there are just so many to choose from.".. On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 05:59:43 PM PST, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Anyone who has driven a Ford model T can certainly attest to the challenges of having all the controls in the "wrong" locations. (OK, the steering wheel is the same as modern cars; but nothing else). The early EVs also had considerably different controls. How about tiller steering? :-) The tiller also had a hand grip that you rotated forward to accelerate, and backward for braking. Backward would give you *plenty* of electric braking force! Lee -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James -- Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20240114/73d64257/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
