Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-31 Thread rayfellow via EV
to understand the differences. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVDL-biz-H2-and-FCEV-discussion-tp4670639p4670712.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-31 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Hi Martin, Nice post. See below. On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Hi Mark, I'll lay my cards on the table and say that I am distinctly anti H2 - *as a short to medium-term serious contender for the replacement of petrol and diesel-powered

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
racing discussions - banned. Peri -- Original Message -- From: EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 29-Jul-14 10:30:22 AM Subject: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion The original EVDL charter, written by our founder Clyde Visser back

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-30 Thread Tom Keenan via EV
My vote is to retain the rules as is. As noted previously, the endless production horizon blather of FCEV and H2 is available elsewhere, and generates much more heat than light here. Tom Keenan ___ UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-30 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
I also agree we should limit discussion of FCEVs. There will certainly be leaks on the list about major new advances. When FCEVs appear to be on a similar energy-footprint basis (i.e. energy-viable) as EVs we can revisit the issue. To respond to one poster's observation about the invective seen

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
, should not take it out on other evdl member because they either want take-over/destroy the evdl's EV-focus, or are too lazy to go elsewhere. {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVDL-biz-H2-and-FCEV-discussion

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-30 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
On Jul 30, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: When FCEVs appear to be on a similar energy-footprint basis (i.e. energy-viable) as EVs we can revisit the issue. How would you define this very specific criteria? Comparable to those charging on the national average

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-30 Thread Dennis Miles via EV
. {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVDL-biz-H2-and-FCEV-discussion-tp4670639p4670647.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com

[EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-29 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
The original EVDL charter, written by our founder Clyde Visser back in the internet's dim past (1991) says, the energy storage device [for an EV] ... can [be a] ... fuel cell ... But not too far into this long history of the EVDL - I think about 1995 or so - we had a pretty detailed discussion

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
of EV racing discussions - banned. Peri -- Original Message -- From: EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 29-Jul-14 10:30:22 AM Subject: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion The original EVDL charter, written by our founder Clyde Visser back

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-29 Thread Michael Ross via EV
I think H2FC discussions are just fine. You all can write poetry about flowers and I might like to see that, too. I am just as interested in the people who like EVs as the biz of EVs. I go by subject line whether I read postings, and then author. If I look inside the posting and i don't find

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-29 Thread Michael K Johnson via EV
Speaking as a newbie to the list (last November), I've been surprised by the levels of invective levelled at H2. There have been a lot of assumptions that it cannot possibly ever be efficiently produced without a bad carbon footprint, and lots (my perception) of ad hominem attacks. I'd like to

Re: [EVDL] EVDL biz: H2 and FCEV discussion

2014-07-29 Thread brucedp5 via EV
not take it out on other evdl member because they either want take-over/destroy the evdl's EV-focus, or are too lazy to go elsewhere. {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVDL-biz-H2-and-FCEV-discussion