I think perhaps he is thinking about a VW Transporter (i.e. Kombi, Microbus),
although even the later models got up over 3,000 lbs
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April 22, 2021 6:37 PM, "paul dove via EV" wrote:
> https://www.falconclub.com/1961-2/1961-econoline
> 3600
> > > Solar cells bonded to the car directly require some sort of clear resin,
> > > epoxy, or polymer. This usually only lasts about a year before it starts
> > > to break down from UV damage. ...
>
> Shocking Lesson: I was preparing to show my solar prius one day and used a
> damp cloth and
Well, Ralph Nader comes to mind. He is responsible for most of our auto safety
laws.
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On Thursday, April 22, 2021, 5:54 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV
wrote:
It’s always easy to blame it on lawyers, and while I’m not one, lawyers have
nothing to do with auto
Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
Unfortunately it's not really the automakers fault, it's the lawyers.
I don't think we can pin the blame on anyone in particular. We've simply
created an inept and unsustainable system -- all of us!
Consider the game of Monopoly. You and your friends may all be
paul dove via EV wrote:
Yea right! 1960 pickup weighed 4000 lbs on average. A 2021 pickup weighs
4500 lbs. The technology advancements is what makes this possible
References, please? Exactly what pickups are you referring to?
Lee
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A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there
https://www.falconclub.com/1961-2/1961-econoline/
3600 to 4300 gvw
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On Thursday, April 22, 2021, 8:31 PM, Lawrence Rhodes
wrote:
One thing I noticed about 60's vans were they weighed between 2,000 and 2,800
pounds. You can't find them that light today.
1961 Ford Econoline Pickup Dimensional Specs. Wheelbase – 90.0in; Width – 75.0
in; Height – 76.9 in; Curb Weight – 2,500 lbs. To learn more about the Ford
Curb Weight. Lawrence Rhodes
On Thursday, April 22, 2021, 6:37:48 PM PDT, paul dove
wrote:
It’s always easy to blame it on lawyers, and while I’m not one, lawyers have
nothing to do with auto manufacturers needing to meet regulatory standards,
except for helping them interpret the requirements.
- Mark
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> On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Peter
Yea right! 1960 pickup weighed 4000 lbs on average. A 2021 pickup weighs 4500
lbs. the technology advancements is what makes this possible
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On Thursday, April 22, 2021, 6:41 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV
wrote:
Each year cars get bigger, taller, and
One thing I noticed about 60's vans were they weighed between 2,000 and 2,800
pounds. You can't find them that light today. Not even close. Of course your
knees were the bumper. Lawrence Rhodes
On Thursday, April 22, 2021, 5:07:11 PM PDT, paul dove
wrote:
Yea right! 1960 pickup
Each year cars get bigger, taller, and heavier. That's because that is what
people want. Unless they have to pay the full cost of ownership and then again
you will be able to buy a Hummer for next to nothing. That is what I call a
stranded asset. Lawrence Rhodes
A large part of that depreciation is the fact that the second customer is not
going to get the Tax incentive, so that means that anyone with half a brain
will automatically deduct the tax rebate from the original cost BEFORE they
figure in depreciation.
For those EVs that have used up their
Unless you have disabled/removed the OnStar radio, they have ALL of the data
they want fed to them continuously.
Even if you don't pay for the OnStar package, the radio is still active and
uploading data to OnStar. I don't pay for onstar, but I used to use the
Volt-stats website (it's
My first EV - my Firefly is on it's 10th year of 100% solar power:
http://www.evalbum.com/3432
Yes you can make a solar EV, even cheaply. But don't expect it to go 60
mph for hours. A solar car is pretty impractical by most standards, even
my boat would be impractical if I didn;t run it on my
Unfortunately it's not really the automakers fault, it's the lawyers.
Production vehicles have to meet modern safety standards and I doubt you could
meet those standards using lightweight (read fragile) materials, not without
incuring a great deal of extra costs.
Even if you went with
> A used vehicle does not generally have that,
The voltec warranty on my used chevy Volt was still valid through the
original 150,000 miles and 8 years.
I bought it 3 years old coming off lease from a dealer and that gives
a good sense of reliability as any original issues and warranty
problems
On 04/22/2021 10:09, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
Also worth considering: the huge, jaw-dropping depreciation on some EVs
should give us pause. That tells us what value vehicle customers actually
attach to them, and it's not good news for the EV movement. Tesla is a
notable outlier,
On 22 Apr 2021 at 12:52, paul dove via EV wrote:
> Most people buy used cars not new.
It would be correct to say that more used than new cars are sold. In 2018
in the US, 40.42 million used vehicles were sold, compared to 17.21 million
new ones. So, 70% of sales were used vehicles that
Most people buy used cars not new. People who buy new cars mostly don’t care
about cost. Most people who buy new cars are over 50. They want to sit up high
and not have to bend down to get in the vehicle. Cars up high like the Kia Soul
sell just fine. Maybe manufacturers need to ask the
On 4/21/21 11:37 PM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
Each year cars get bigger, taller, and heavier. That's because that is
what people want.
David addressed this rather well. To an extent. It is a societal
problem that advertising targets are so easily and illogically swayed.
I contend that
(-Phil-) via EV wrote:
Complain all you want, but unless you fire up your own company and start
selling a compelling solution that people want it doesn't matter. "They"
sure aren't!
I've tried, and I agree. People won't buy what you want to sell; they
buy what THEY want. It's all ego and
In general, People don't seem to give a shit about fuel economy (off this
list, of course). People keep buying large SUVs and pickups to go sit in
traffic in. The best selling car in the US since 1981 is a truck; the Ford
F150. There have been plenty of small cars offered over the years.
On 21 Apr 2021 at 17:50, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> Complain all you want, but unless you fire up your own company and start
> selling a compelling solution that people want it doesn't matter. "They" sure
> aren't!
Funny, that's exactly how the Japanese automakers got their feet in the door
here
Complain all you want, but unless you fire up your own company and start
selling a compelling solution that people want it doesn't matter. "They"
sure aren't!
We aren't making any money yet, but at least we are selling vehicles people
want, and they are about as green as you can get while still
On 21 Apr 2021 at 13:09, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> Most of the big automakers can't even sell normal sedans anymore, let alone a
> super-lightweight "city" car. Just not going to happen.
And yet, somehow Volkswagen sold over 21 million Beetles. They sold enough
of them to prosper even when
Well, I have to say, when you are in traffic surrounded by poor drivers,
increasingly equipped with SUV death machines, you don't want to be in a
lightweight tiny car. Just check the crash ratings. Building a safe car
that's affordable means it has to have some mass.
Most of the big automakers
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
Lee Hart via EV wrote:
That's pretty much what James Worden of Solectria did with the Sunrise,
and Alex Krause did with the Evergreen. Build a (relatively) normal
car, but with the emphasis on streamlining and light weight.
Exactly! And others, from the
This is sort of about solar panels on an EV. We often travel by RV, and tow
a half ton Dodge RAM pickup behind the RV. I’ve thought about pulling a
trailer upon which we will have our Tesla M3 instead of towing the RAM. If
I install solar panels on the trailer it will shade the M3 and charge it
On 20 Apr 2021 at 22:34, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> That's pretty much what James Worden of Solectria did with the Sunrise,
> and Alex Krause did with the Evergreen. Build a (relatively) normal
> car, but with the emphasis on streamlining and light weight.
Exactly! And others, from the
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1054815_the-dolphin-super-aerodynamic-homebuilt-electric-car
Dave Clouds vehicle was designed to go 200 miles with a thousand pounds of
lead batteries and to boot used ones. The goal was cheap and good. He
succeeded. I suspect if you modified another Sprint
> > Solar cells bonded to the car directly require some sort of clear resin,
> > epoxy, or polymer. This usually only lasts about a year before it
starts
> > to break down from UV damage. ...
Shocking Lesson: I was preparing to show my solar prius one day and used a
damp cloth and water to
(-Phil-) via EV wrote:
Solar cells bonded to the car directly require some sort of clear resin,
epoxy, or polymer. This usually only lasts about a year before it starts
to break down from UV damage. Not worth it at all!
Glass works, of course. :-) But it's difficult to make curved panels,
Never work on a car. I would read up on what Eindhoven did. Seems the original
Stella from 2013 is still going strong. Here is an article including the
information on the German company who did the encapsulation.
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
To make solar panels work on an EV they must be specially encapsulated Sunpower
cells. No panels.
It depends on your goals. Sunpower cells can produce the most power per
sq.meter under ideal conditions. That's great if you're building a solar
raycer. But they
Solar cells bonded to the car directly require some sort of clear resin,
epoxy, or polymer. This usually only lasts about a year before it starts
to break down from UV damage. Not worth it at all!
The sail boating guys experimented with the flexible solar panels, and they
almost never make it 2
To make solar panels work on an EV they must be specially encapsulated Sunpower
cells. No panels. The area should be 5-6 Meter squared. Should yield 1.5 to
1.8kw. This should charge most EVs at level 1. With a custom controller you
could directly connect to the HV battery but that would take
As many of you know, we are doing professional EV van conversions, and one
question we get asked almost continuously is "Can't you put solar panels on
it?". So we decided to build a prototype and instrument it so we can
answer the question with hard data.
We all know it makes more sense to put
nathan christiansn via EV wrote:
Has anyone successfully integrated solar panels into their EV? If so, could
you please share what charge controller you used?
First, it should be noted that PV panels on an EV are a special case
solution. It's usually better to put them on a fixed structure
Hello everyone,
Has anyone successfully integrated solar panels into their EV? If so, could
you please share what charge controller you used?
Nathan
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