Re: Believing ...

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-mars-07, à 00:35, Brent Meeker a écrit : Brent Meeker quoted: Atheism is a belief system the way Off is a TV channel. --- George Carlin Carlin makes the typical confusion between atheism and agnosticism. An atheist has indeed a rich belief system: 1) he believes that God does

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-mars-07, à 07:44, Mohsen Ravanbakhsh a écrit : Thank you for welcoming me Mark, I agree with you about the problem with the concept of entropy, but not all your points. Actually I like this hypothesis, and as Bruno put it we might be able to describe the Why question about physical

Re: Believing ...

2007-03-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/20/07, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 01-mars-07, à 00:35, Brent Meeker a écrit : Brent Meeker quoted: Atheism is a belief system the way Off is a TV channel. --- George Carlin Carlin makes the typical confusion between atheism and agnosticism. An atheist has

Re: Believing ...

2007-03-20 Thread John M
Bruno, a different reflection from Stathis's, but similarly not a counter-argument First off: George Carlin is a comedian and his humorous remarks are not subject to be discussed in a serious argumentation. I like him - at least the old Carlin. * to your #1: :your atheist has got to believe

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-20 Thread John M
Glad to have misread your consiousness as being not unconscious. I agree with you even in the 'life' part, except that I consider that darn elusive 'consciousness' still on, when you sleep or are anesthesized. You (whatever it is) are still responding to the information you get: you wake up

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-mars-07, à 09:44, Mark Peaty a écrit : Thank you Bruno! You and Russell between you have managed to strike some sparks of illumination from the rocky inside of my skull. There is no beacon fire to report but I start to get a glimmering of why you want to *assume* comp and see

Re: String theory and Cellular Automata

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
You could be interested by a paper introducing String theory as a syntactical logical structure by the other Schmidhuber (Juergen's brother Christof): Here: http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0011065 What are strings made of? The possibility is discussed that strings are purely mathematical

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-mars-07, à 01:38, David Nyman a écrit : On Mar 14, 10:18 pm, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps using the term existence for mathematical objects is misleading. It doesn't mean they exist as separate objects in the real world, just that they exist as concepts.

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-mars-07, à 17:15, David Nyman a écrit : Yes, in that it makes sense to argue (from a 'contingentist' perspective) that the justification for 'primeness' (or indeed any other concept) derives ultimately from persistent aspects of contingent states of affairs (in this case a degree of

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-mars-07, à 19:38, Brent Meeker a écrit : Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 13-mars-07, à 05:03, Brent Meeker a écrit : But there is no reason to believe there is any root cause that is deeper than variation with natural selection. You have not presented any argument for the existence of

Re: String theory and Cellular Automata

2007-03-20 Thread John M
Bruno: thanks for the info. Very educational (although I skip reading Christof's entire text). From your excerpt: I have a 2nd question: how about waves? they must be made of the same 'stuff' as the 'strings', maybe in a lesser number of dimensions. And let me skip my retrograde series of

Re: Believing ...

2007-03-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 01-mars-07, à 00:35, Brent Meeker a écrit : Brent Meeker quoted: Atheism is a belief system the way Off is a TV channel. --- George Carlin Carlin makes the typical confusion between atheism and agnosticism. An atheist has indeed a rich belief system:

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-20 Thread Brent Meeker
John M wrote: Glad to have misread your consiousness as being not unconscious. I agree with you even in the 'life' part, except that I consider that darn elusive 'consciousness' still on, when you sleep or are anesthesized. You (whatever it is) are still responding to the information you

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 06-mars-07, à 09:44, Mark Peaty a écrit : Thank you Bruno! You and Russell between you have managed to strike some sparks of illumination from the rocky inside of my skull. There is no beacon fire to report but I start to get a glimmering of why you want to

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 3/19/07, *Brent Meeker* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 3/19/07, *Brent Meeker* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Statistical Measure, does it matter?

2007-03-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/21/07, Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unconscious factors affecting our sense of continuity of identity must do it through affecting conscious factors. That would follow if we were always conscious of our sense of continuity of identity, but I don't think we are. I may think