On 16 Jan 2012, at 07:52, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/1/16 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Jan 15, 3:07 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/1/14 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
Thought I'd throw this out there. If computationalism argues that
zombies can't
On 14 Jan 2012, at 19:00, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
OK, but today we avoid the expression computable number.
Why? Seems to me that quite a large number of people still use the
term. A computable number is a real number that can be
On 14 Jan 2012, at 18:51, David Nyman wrote:
On 14 January 2012 16:50, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
wrote:
The problem is that mathematics cannot represent matter other than by
invariance with respect to time, etc. absent an interpreter.
Sure, but do you mean to say that the
On 15 Jan 2012, at 00:17, Russell Standish wrote:
On Sat, Jan 07, 2012 at 07:02:52AM +0200, acw wrote:
On 1/6/2012 18:57, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Jan 2012, at 11:02, acw wrote:
Thanks for replying. I was worried my post was too big and few
people will bother reading it due to size. I
On 15 Jan 2012, at 09:13, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
What about the Turing test for a person in that state to check if he
still has consciousness?
As I said in another post, the very idea of the Turing test consists
in avoiding completely the notion of consciousness.
I do disagree with Turing
On 15 Jan 2012, at 18:14, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
wrote:
How would you generalize the Turing Test for consciousness?
By doing the exact same thing we do when we evaluate our fellow
human beings, assume that there is a
On 15 Jan 2012, at 19:33, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
If computationalism argues that zombies can't exist, therefore
anything that we cannot distinguish from a conscious person must be
conscious, that also means that it is
On 16 January 2012 10:04, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Actually you can define computation, even universal machine, by using only
addition and multiplication. So universal machine exists in elementary
arithmetic in the same sense as in the existence of prime number.
That may be, but
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Consciousness theories are easy because there are no facts they need to
explain
What? With comp, not only you have to explain the qualia
With ANY theory of consciousness you have to explain qualia, and every
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
I think that I have a workable and useful notion of zombie.
Then I would very much like to hear what it is. What really grabbed my
attention is that you said it was workable and useful, so whatever
notion you have
On Jan 16, 11:23 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
I think that I have a workable and useful notion of zombie.
Then I would very much like to hear what it is. What really grabbed my
attention is that you
Craig,
Do you have an opinion regarding the possibility of Strong AI, and the
other questions I posed in my earlier post?
Thanks,
Jason
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jan 16, 11:23 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15,
On 16 Jan 2012, at 15:32, David Nyman wrote:
On 16 January 2012 10:04, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Actually you can define computation, even universal machine, by
using only
addition and multiplication. So universal machine exists in
elementary
arithmetic in the same sense as
On 16 Jan 2012, at 17:08, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Consciousness theories are easy because there are no facts they
need to explain
What? With comp, not only you have to explain the qualia
With ANY theory of
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
I think that I have a workable and useful notion of zombie. [...]
Zombie describes something which seems like it could be conscious from the
outside (ie to a human observer) but actually is not.
As I have
Hi,
My $.02. I am reminded of the argument in Matrix Philosophy that if
we cannot argue that our experiences are *not* simulations then we might
as well bet that they are. While I have found that there are upper
bounds on computational based content via logical arguments such as
David
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
So you believe that the theory according to which consciousness is a gift
by a creationist God is as bad as the theory according to which
consciousness is related to brain activity?
If creationists could explain
On Jan 16, 12:15 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig,
Do you have an opinion regarding the possibility of Strong AI, and the
other questions I posed in my earlier post?
Sorry Jason, I didn't see your comment earlier.
On Jan 15, 2:45 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 16, 1:42 pm, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Hi,
My $.02. I am reminded of the argument in Matrix Philosophy that if
we cannot argue that our experiences are *not* simulations then we might
as well bet that they are. While I have found that there are upper
bounds on
On 1/16/2012 2:02 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Jan 16, 1:42 pm, Stephen P. Kingstephe...@charter.net wrote:
Hi,
My $.02. I am reminded of the argument in Matrix Philosophy that if
we cannot argue that our experiences are *not* simulations then we might
as well bet that they are. While I
On 16 January 2012 18:08, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I do not need an extra God or observer of arithmetical truth, to interpret
some number relation as computations, because the numbers, relatively to
each other, already do that task. From their view, to believe that we need
some
On Jan 16, 2:22 pm, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote:
Hi Craig,
The 1p is something that can have differences in degree not in kind
thus your argument is a bit off. Zombies simply do not exist.
The degree of 1p is always qualitative though, that's how it's
different from 3p.
Hi Craig,
On that we agree.
Onward!
Stephen
On 1/16/2012 3:33 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Jan 16, 2:22 pm, Stephen P. Kingstephe...@charter.net wrote:
Hi Craig,
The 1p is something that can have differences in degree not in kind
thus your argument is a bit off. Zombies simply
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jan 16, 12:15 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig,
Do you have an opinion regarding the possibility of Strong AI, and the
other questions I posed in my earlier post?
Sorry Jason, I didn't
On Jan 16, 10:26 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jan 16, 12:15 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig,
Do you have an opinion regarding the possibility of Strong AI, and the
other
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Jan 16, 10:26 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Jan 16, 12:15 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Craig,
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