Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jul 2012, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2012 1:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If the boson of Higgs exists, by law, it *must* be retrievable from addition and multiplication If comp is true and the argument that everything (arithmetical) is realized holds. I am not sure what

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jul 2012, at 23:39, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2012 10:36 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: In Germany theology still belongs to universities. What I like is that you will find as a department of theoretical theology as

Re: esse est percipi?

2012-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2012, at 00:30, John Mikes wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Esse is not percipi. With comp. Esse is more is a solution to a diophantine polynomial equation. St.:You have merely replaced the Atoms of the

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2012, at 00:44, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2012 2:22 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2012, at 22:17, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2012 6:23 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 11 July 2012 09:55, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Even the phisical TOE is part of this second

Re: esse est percipi?

2012-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2012, at 02:39, Stephen P. King wrote: On 7/11/2012 4:30 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2012 7:32 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: In your work you seem to posit that numbers have minds (thus they can dream) and that their ideas are passive and yet can reproduce all phenomena that

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2012 1:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2012, at 23:39, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2012 10:36 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru mailto:use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: In Germany theology still belongs to universities. What I

Re: esse est percipi?

2012-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2012 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jul 2012, at 00:30, John Mikes wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: *_Esse is not percipi_*. With comp. Esse is more is a solution to a diophantine polynomial

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2012, at 11:25, meekerdb wrote: On 7/12/2012 1:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2012, at 23:39, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2012 10:36 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: In Germany theology still belongs to

Re: esse est percipi?

2012-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2012, at 11:34, meekerdb wrote: On 7/12/2012 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jul 2012, at 00:30, John Mikes wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Esse is not percipi. With comp. Esse is more is a solution to a diophantine

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:36:32 PM UTC-4, John K Clark wrote: I disagree, I don't like it. You are assuming that there exists a organized field of knowledge called theology, but I can not find the slightest evidence that is in fact true. Lawrence Krauss said that it is his habit to

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.07.2012 19:36 John Clark said the following: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: In Germany theology still belongs to universities. What I like is that you will find as a department of theoretical theology as well as a department of practical theology.

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.07.2012 18:26 John Clark said the following: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: It is hard to imagine how free will can operate if our behavior is determined by physical law Does that mean you CAN imagine how free will can operate if our behavior is NOT

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.07.2012 18:21 John Clark said the following: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I understand but the question in principle still remains. Who play the chess, I or the M-theory? There is no logical reason to think those two ways of explaining the same

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.07.2012 21:48 meekerdb said the following: On 7/10/2012 12:38 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Hence according to the authors, the M-theory governs absolutely everything including social sciences. But I am afraid that this is not what you would expect. Why would you not expect a

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.07.2012 20:38 Stephen P. King said the following: Say that it is not so! http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428428/higgs-boson-may-be-an-imposter-say-particle/?ref=rss Hi Stephen, Recently I have read Karin Knorr Cetina, Epistemic Cultures: How the Sciences Make Knowledge This

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: I profoundly disagree. What was found was a curve when the raw data was graphed in a particular way. There is no proof that this curve is uniquely representational of some particle. The article certainly

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/12/2012 3:36 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.07.2012 20:38 Stephen P. King said the following: Say that it is not so! http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428428/higgs-boson-may-be-an-imposter-say-particle/?ref=rss Hi Stephen, Recently I have read Karin Knorr Cetina, Epistemic

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: To reject *all* theologies, you need *a* theology. Like God this is a example is somebody willing to abandon a idea but not a word; so God becomes something more powerful than yourself and now theology becomes any field of study you

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.07.2012 18:21 John Clark said the following: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I understand but the question in principle still remains. Who play the chess, I or the M-theory? There is no logical reason to

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2012 12:28 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.07.2012 21:48 meekerdb said the following: On 7/10/2012 12:38 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Hence according to the authors, the M-theory governs absolutely everything including social sciences. But I am afraid that this is not what you would

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2012 12:55 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: I profoundly disagree. What was found was a curve when the raw data was graphed in a particular way. There is no proof that this curve

Re: Cooperation and Free Riders

2012-07-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/11/2012 6:47 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Stephen: Well it愀 not cooperation between computer programs, but cooperation of entities in the abstract level. This can be described mathematically or simulated in a computer program. In both cases, it starts with a game with its rules goals

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/11/2012 6:47 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Matt Rydley what is human is a good introduction. From: http://www.scribd.com/doc/47413560/69/MATT-RIDLEY MATT RIDLEY Science Writer; Founding chairman of the International Centre for Life; Author,F rancis Crick: Discoverer of the Genetic Code

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Then we should stop teaching Newtonian physics as well, since there are no new advances there either. Not so. A hurricane simulation is pure Newtonian physics and yet they are far far better now, that is to say they

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2012 1:08 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: To reject *all* theologies, you need *a* theology. Like God this is a example is somebody willing to abandon a idea but not a word; so God becomes something

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I am not an expert in this field There are no experts in this field because there is no field. but here is for example just a link to the university in Freiburg

Re: Cooperation and Free Riders

2012-07-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2012/7/12 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net On 7/11/2012 6:47 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Stephen: Well it´s not cooperation between computer programs, but cooperation of entities in the abstract level. This can be described mathematically or simulated in a computer program. In both

Re: Cooperation and Free Riders

2012-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2012 4:04 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: We each one are free riders because we are selfish collaborators. A twist on selfish collaboration is the self deception: our memory is unconsciously distorted to support our case. we thinkl that we deserve more than the fair share etc. Free

Re: Cooperation and Free Riders

2012-07-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Right. free rider is a pure defector. In a more realistic game, the entities can act with mixed strategies, sometimes as free riders, others as collaborators. This is the meaning of selfish collaborators. With the addition that, sometimes, what benefits the individual benefits also the

Re: Cooperation and Free Riders

2012-07-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/12/2012 7:04 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2012/7/12 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net On 7/11/2012 6:47 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Stephen: Well it愀 not cooperation between computer programs, but cooperation of entities in the

Re: Cooperation and Free Riders

2012-07-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/12/2012 7:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 7/12/2012 4:04 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: We each one are free riders because we are selfish collaborators. A twist on selfish collaboration is the self deception: our memory is unconsciously distorted to support our case. we thinkl that we deserve