On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
There is surely a difference between living and non-living, but
nevertheless it is possible to get living from non-living.
Not without the potential for life already present in the universe. If there
was a universe
Hi John,
On 21 Mar 2013, at 21:40, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Bruno,
it is so fascinating to read about universal machines.
Is there a place where I could learn in short, understandable terms
what they may be? Then again the difference between a 'Turing
machine' and a 'physical computer'
On 21 Mar 2013, at 23:04, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 01:46:11PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
But still, I tend to bet that creativity, if he can exploit it, is
still
independent of it.
I still
Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in
Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality
p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more
spiritual than human being and believes that the future will include
real and virtual houses of worship
These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply
wishful thinking?
2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru
Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics,
Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality
p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that
Leibniz and this nonlocal, relativistic world
Leibniz was centuries ahead of his time when he deduced
by simple logic (in his Monadology) that the world is nonlocal
(although he did not use that word). Science would be much
further ahead of where it is today had it followed Leibniz
instead of
On Friday, March 22, 2013 1:15:58 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/19/2013 11:24 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 19.03.2013 19:17 Craig Weinberg said the following:
On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:38:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Craig Weinberg
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply
wishful thinking?
2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru
Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics,
On 3/22/2013 7:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in
Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality
p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more
spiritual than human being and believes that the future will
On 22.03.2013 13:06 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is
simply wishful thinking?
In the book, the author just describes/documents what other people say.
The reason from others, as far as I have understood it correctly, is
On 3/22/2013 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is
simply wishful thinking?
I share this question!
2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru mailto:use...@rudnyi.ru
Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions
On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona
agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is
simply wishful thinking?
...
Religious beliefs will be programmed just as they are in
On 22.03.2013 13:47 Stephen P. King said the following:
On 3/22/2013 7:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in
Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality
...
Dear Evgennii,
In your reading of Kurzweil, does he ever explain
On Friday, March 22, 2013 4:08:10 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
There is surely a difference between living and non-living, but
nevertheless it is possible to get living from non-living.
Not
Hi Craig,
Thanks for this.
On a somewhat related note, TED recently censured two talks by Rupert
Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of
classifying their claims as pseudo-science. I find this disturbing
because they are just proposing hypothesis based on experience. One
can
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona
agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is
simply wishful
I a previous discussion in this list (robotic truth) I argue that a
robot in a competitive environment has to develop (or be programmed
for) all the elements of religión and beliefs to cooperate and survive.
2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru
On 22.03.2013 13:47 Stephen P. King said
Thanks Telmo,
Yes I've been following the TED fiasco, and chiming in here and there.
Actually that's where I saw this video posted was on that thread. I agree
completely that it is disturbing (though not surprising) to see the
censorship, although I'm impressed with so many smart people
On 22.03.2013 14:41 Richard Ruquist said the following:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru
wrote:
On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona
agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
These beliefs in robotic
On 22.03.2013 15:31 Alberto G. Corona said the following:
I a previous discussion in this list (robotic truth) I argue that
a robot in a competitive environment has to develop (or be
programmed for) all the elements of religión and beliefs to
cooperate and survive.
The goal of the book of
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
On 22.03.2013 14:41 Richard Ruquist said the following:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru
wrote:
On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM,
This extract from Chesterton has little sense without what precedes and
follows.
2013/3/16 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
For we must remember that the materialist philosophy (whether true or
not) is certainly much more limiting than any religion. In one sense, of
course, all
On 3/22/2013 9:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
Thanks for this.
On a somewhat related note, TED recently censured two talks by Rupert
Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of
classifying their claims as pseudo-science. I find this disturbing
because they are just
The following article about Quantum Computers was on page one of the
business section of today's New York Times:
VANCOUVER, British Columbia — Our digital age is all about bits, those
precise ones and zeros that are the stuff of modern computer code. But a
powerful new type of computer
On 3/22/2013 1:22 PM, John Clark wrote:
The following article about Quantum Computers was on page one of the
business section of today's New York Times:
VANCOUVER, British Columbia — Our digital age is all about bits, those
precise ones and zeros that are the stuff of modern
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock.
Did did it one the grounds of
classifying their claims as pseudo-science.
My respect for TED just went up several notches.
I find this disturbing
On 3/22/2013 2:20 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham
Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of
classifying their claims as
Ok. I understand.
Well this eartly salvation is not only typical of AI. Voegelin coined the
term inmanentization of the eschaton as the common caracteristic of the
modern political and scientific movements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton
which means the belief of a heaven
On Friday, March 22, 2013 2:20:36 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
javascript:wrote:
TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock.
Did did it one the grounds of
classifying their claims as pseudo-science.
On 3/22/2013 4:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, Artificial
Intelligence, and Virtual Reality
p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more spiritual than
human being and believes that the future will
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
What did you think of the evidence in the Dean Radin video?
Evidence? I saw no evidence, all I saw was a man making noises with his
mouth and some slides he made himself. Although it would be great if we all
has some hidden
I tried to find FOAR - but failed. You kindly advised to 'show me how' get
subscribed, but it was missing from your post.
Could you repeat it?
John M
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Hi John,
On 21 Mar 2013, at 21:40, John Mikes wrote:
Dear Bruno,
it
On 3/22/2013 6:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona
agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
These beliefs in robotic religión has
On Friday, March 22, 2013 5:10:40 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/22/2013 6:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
Thanks for this.
On a somewhat related note, TED recently censured two talks by Rupert
Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of
classifying their claims
On 3/22/2013 2:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Ok. I understand.
Well this eartly salvation is not only typical of AI. Voegelin coined
the term inmanentization of the eschaton as the common caracteristic
of the modern political and scientific movements.
On 3/22/2013 3:27 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/22/2013 4:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in
Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality
p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more
spiritual than human
On 3/22/2013 4:42 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/22/2013 6:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru
wrote:
On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona
agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi John,
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:20 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock.
Did did it one the grounds of
classifying their claims as
These inmanentist religions (eartly utopianism) it is clear that substitute
God by Man (upper case). A divinized man . This has the most evident form
of personality cult to the chosen ones that have the knowledge and/or are
at the control of the transformation process, that in the modernity is
On 3/22/2013 5:10 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi John,
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:20 PM, John Clarkjohnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezeste...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock.
Did did it one the grounds
My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic
claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this crap just reeks
of junk science!
I don't think Sheldrake is correct, but he writes papers and collects
experimental results. Maybe he's lying, and maybe other
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/22/2013 6:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following:
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G.
On 3/22/2013 5:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic
claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this crap just reeks
of junk science!
I don't think Sheldrake is correct, but he writes papers and collects
experimental
On 3/22/2013 11:30 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/22/2013 5:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic
claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this crap just reeks
of junk science!
I don't think Sheldrake is correct, but
In 1936 Tarski proved a fundamental theorem of logic:
the *undefinability of truth*. Roughly speaking, this says there's no
consistent way to extend arithmetic so that it talks about 'truth' for
statements about arithmetic. Why not? Because if we /could/, we could
cook up a statement that says
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