On 26 February 2014 04:51, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
The point of this is that if the brain is responsible for
consciousness it is absurd to suppose that the brain's behaviour could
be replaced with a functional analogue while leaving out any
associated qualia. This constitutes a
The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe
cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing involuntary
movement and a concomitant inability to distinguish the affected hand from
an examiner's hand when these were placed in the patient's unaffected
I came upon an interesting passage in Our Mathematical Universe, starting
on page 194, which I think members of this list might appreciate:
It gradually hit me that this illusion of randomness business really
wasn't specific to quantum mechanics at all. Suppose that some future
technology allows
Stathis,
You completely miss my point.
First you are imagining a case which has no reality whatsoever. Your
example with widely separated temporal selves somehow running sequentially
doesn't even conform to block universe theory, much less to reality.
Second you still have to RUN the sequence
Stathis,
Again you DISprove what you want to prove by your own language.
You say I am me, here and now. Yes, of course you are. That's what being
in the present moment is. You tell us you are in the present moment at a
single location by that very phrase...
You are obviously not at any other
Stathis,
At least we AGREE there is NO empirical evidence for a block universe.
But there is OVERWHELMING evidence for flowing time and a present moment.
The experience of our existence in a present moment is the most fundamental
empirical observation of our existence. And all science, all
Jason,
This initially interesting post of course exposes fundamental flaws in its
logic and the way that a lot of people get mislead by physically impossible
thought experiments such as the whole interminable p-clone, p-zombie
discussion on this group.
First there is of course no physical
On 26 February 2014 12:58, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe
cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing involuntary
movement and a concomitant inability to distinguish the affected hand from
an
Hi David,
On 24 Feb 2014, at 17:32, David Nyman wrote:
On 24 February 2014 15:50, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 24 Feb 2014, at 02:41, David Nyman wrote:
On 24 February 2014 01:04, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com
wrote:
This is the same as saying that I will
On 24 Feb 2014, at 17:59, David Nyman wrote:
On 24 February 2014 16:42, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:38, David Nyman wrote:
On 24 February 2014 13:53, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I am not sure why David switched the term. Perhaps to avoid the
On 24 Feb 2014, at 18:11, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:03:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 23 Feb 2014, at 15:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
This might be a more concise way of making my argument:
It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:53 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Well let's see, my car has 306 horsepower, one horsepower is equal to
746 watts so my car needs 228,276 watts. On a bright day at noon solar
cells produce about 10 watts per square foot, so my car would need 22,827
On 24 Feb 2014, at 18:45, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
computational reality is what computes the actual information states
of the observable universe.
So you assume a primitive physical reality? This makes sense with your
p-time, but it is incoherent with the assumption that we can survive
On 24 Feb 2014, at 18:48, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Bruno,
PS: I have no idea what you are asking in the following question. If
you make it clear I'll try to respond
You did not answer my question about the relation between p-time
and 1-person. If I accept an artificial brain, and that
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Chris de Morsella
cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
The prices for PV keeps coming down as well; in fact it has dropped an
amazing 99% in the past quarter century.
That's very nice, but even if the price dropped to zero it wouldn't be
enough to completely take over
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:22 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Hydro IS solar.
And solar IS nuclear.
John K Clark
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On 24 Feb 2014, at 23:07, LizR wrote:
And a nice manifold of red wine. (After a few of those it may be p-
time of course...)
With moderation, of course.
A damn!, the red wine is in the basement, near the black hole, no idea
where is the horizon, I will no try, and take non hard drug
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
provide the algorithm of prediction.
Why? What does that have to do with the price of eggs? FPI is about
the feeling of self and prediction has nothing to do with it.
FPI = first person indeterminacy
Sorry, I was
Liz,
Where do you come up with these wildly off the wall statements! Don't you
even care about the truth?
Block universe theory is the MOST NON-parsimonious theory out there. It
requires all sorts of extra unsupported assumptions such as those to
explain the appearance of time flowing when
Jesse,
You continue to quibble over terminology to avoid engaging the real issues.
Of course by 'view' I DO mean the actual equations in terms of a coordinate
system with origin at a particular observer. There is OF COURSE a single
set of equations that describes that view. You can describe
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On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:22 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Jesse,
You continue to quibble over terminology to avoid engaging the real
issues. Of course by 'view' I DO mean the actual equations in terms of a
coordinate system with origin at a particular observer. There is OF
On 27 February 2014 02:49, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
I came upon an interesting passage in Our Mathematical Universe, starting
on page 194, which I think members of this list might appreciate:
Yes, a subset of me certainly does. Thanks.
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On 27 February 2014 06:57, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:22 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Hydro IS solar.
And solar IS nuclear.
Indeed. I keep mentioning this. Why bother with all these other power
sources when you have a fusion reactor in the
Jesse,
A symmetric trip is defined in terms of the symmetric view of two observers
A and B OF EACH OTHER IN TERMS OF THEIR OWN COMOVING COORDINATE SYSTEMS.
They both experience the exact same amounts of accelerations and
gravitation during their trips.
The proper times of both twins A and B
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Jesse,
A symmetric trip is defined in terms of the symmetric view of two
observers A and B OF EACH OTHER IN TERMS OF THEIR OWN COMOVING COORDINATE
SYSTEMS.
If they aren't inertial observers in flat spacetime--and they
Well, Liz, not to be a nattering nabob of negativism, but its too diffuse.
It's not like hydroelectric, we can gather up at one 'choke point' and then
draw in to spin turbines, Its spread all over the surface of the Earth (the
target zone). Therefore, engineers are so up o on getting PV cells
Here in the States, we have the executive branch using the IRS and the FBI to
go after enemies of the progressives. You have the vast expansion of the NSA
spying on the American people and indeed people worldwide. A statement by the
head of NSA was that We are not spying to halt terrorists..
Jesse,
O, for God's sakes. Just take a SINGLE INERTIAL coordinate system centered
at some point in deep space from which they both depart, travel
symmetrically away from RELATIVE TO THAT SINGLE COORDINATE SYSTEM and then
meet back up at. That addresses all your concerns.
The whole trip is
On 27 February 2014 12:08, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Well, Liz, not to be a nattering nabob of negativism, but its too
diffuse. It's not like hydroelectric, we can gather up at one 'choke point'
and then draw in to spin turbines, Its spread all over the surface of the
Earth (the target zone).
On 27 February 2014 11:44, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote:
As I said before, this is quite rude behavior, and if you aren't
interested in civil reasoned discourse where you actually address the other
person's arguments and questions, rather than just haranguing them with the
same
This is what they call a google bomb. Historians may think google searches
represent something about the mind of humanity. So this particular google
bomb might lead them to think the Fukushima reactor exploded in 2014.
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Jesse,
Forget about coordinate systems, that isn't really the issue.
The point is that each twin has A REAL ACTUAL AGE at every point on its
world line no matter what its relativistic circumstances.
The point is that it is always possible for each twin to figure out a 1:1
correlation of the
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Jesse,
O, for God's sakes. Just take a SINGLE INERTIAL coordinate system centered
at some point in deep space from which they both depart, travel
symmetrically away from RELATIVE TO THAT SINGLE COORDINATE SYSTEM and then
Hi Edgar
It occurs as fragmentary spacetimes are created by
quantum events and then merged via shared quantum events. There can be
no deterministic rules for aligning
separate spacetime fragments thus nature is forced to make those
alignments randomly.
Far out, man!
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Jesse,
Forget about coordinate systems, that isn't really the issue.
The point is that each twin has A REAL ACTUAL AGE at every point on its
world line no matter what its relativistic circumstances.\
Yes.
The
Jesse,
The only thing we are interested in is whether A and B THEMSELVES can
establish an UN-ambiguous 1:1 correlation of their actual ages. At this
point we don't care about any other observers or how they may view this.
In the symmetric case we merely take the common point of departure and
On 2/26/2014 3:22 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Here in the States, we have the executive branch using the IRS and the FBI to go after
enemies of the progressives.
Enemies? You mean those organizations like Retake America that claimed to be charitable
organizations not engaging in any
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Can you agree to this at least?
To repeat what I said in my second-to-last post:
'If you continue to ask me Do you agree? type questions while ignoring
the similar questions I ask you, I guess I'll have to take that as a
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