Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-03 Thread Kim Jones
On 3 Jul 2014, at 9:09 am, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote: Yes, primary belief, though necessarily incorrigible in the first instance, is nonetheless vulnerable in the second instance to correction or reinterpretation. Just as well, really. But is it? If primary belief (your belief

Re: Tyson is not atheist (was Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-07-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I also like Baker, who stared in a couple of fantasy flicks like Sinbad, and whatever, Pertwee was always a serious guy, and it was great, as a yank, to watch UNIFIL (Uk soldiers) fight with FN_FAL rifles, Sterling sten guns, and such. I remember reading that the writers were going for a sort

Re: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
It's always a judgement call, and there have been a fair amount of pundits,basically, saying, Let them kill each other. This is ok by me as its something they have done for over 13 centuries. Having said this, we all have a dog in this race (except Chris) who needs to be concerned about

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Jul 2014, at 14:00, David Nyman wrote: Whatever its independent merits or demerits, and its inherent complexity, ISTM that comp gets closer to a way of posing questions that might in the end yield more satisfying and complete answers. As it happens, in so doing it rehabilitates earlier

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Jul 2014, at 20:24, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2014 5:00 AM, David Nyman wrote: Some recent discussions have centred on the (putative) features of hierarchical-reductionist ontologies, and whether comp (whatever its intrinsic merits or deficiencies) should be considered as just another

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Jul 2014, at 23:35, meekerdb wrote: On 7/2/2014 9:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The classical theory of knowledge, already present in ancien epistemology is the modal KT theory, or KT4. K is [](A - B) - ([]A - []B). It is equivalent with ([]A [](A - B)) - []B. It is a belief in the

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-03 Thread David Nyman
On 3 July 2014 10:02, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Yes, primary belief, though necessarily incorrigible in the first instance, is nonetheless vulnerable in the second instance to correction or reinterpretation. Just as well, really. But is it? Only in the primary sense of

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jul 2014, at 01:09, David Nyman wrote: On 2 July 2014 22:04, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Since the primary truth of what I see is simply what I see (i.e. it is incorrigible) it can't be subject to Gettier's paradox. I can't be right about what I see for the wrong reasons

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jul 2014, at 11:02, Kim Jones wrote: On 3 Jul 2014, at 9:09 am, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote: Yes, primary belief, though necessarily incorrigible in the first instance, is nonetheless vulnerable in the second instance to correction or reinterpretation. Just as well, really.

RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 4:42 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: American Intelligence It's always a judgement call, and there have been a fair amount of pundits,basically, saying,

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-03 Thread David Nyman
On 3 July 2014 14:22, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: And perhaps most interestingly, its central motivation originates in, and simultaneously strikes at the heart of, the tacit assumption of its rivals that perception and cognition are (somehow) second-order relational phenomena

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-03 Thread meekerdb
On 7/3/2014 2:02 AM, Kim Jones wrote: On 3 Jul 2014, at 9:09 am, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote: Yes, primary belief, though necessarily incorrigible in the first instance, is nonetheless vulnerable in the second instance to correction or reinterpretation. Just as well, really. But is

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2014-07-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jul 2014, at 06:51, Richard Ruquist wrote: Quantum measure is the result of solving Schrodinger's Eq. yielding a different probability for each quantum state and a different measure for each different scenario unlike the invariant measure of the reals. Do you disagree? Richard The

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-03 Thread meekerdb
On 7/3/2014 8:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Only a pseudo-scientist would say that the science progresses have put any threat on the non literal reading of any sacred texts. Wouldn't that depend on what the non-literal reading is? I think what you mean is that there is always some non-literal

Re: Tyson is not atheist (was Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-07-03 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I think that the presence of such teapot is highly implausible. But I can't be sure. I don't believe that for one second, I think you are sure there is not a china teapot in orbit around the planet Uranus; although please

Re: RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
What? I don't understand. Were my questions not clear? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

Re: RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Is there any war you think the US ever should fight? Chris it was like the old war resisters back in the day, when the US was out of Indochina, for the so called anti-war folks, the genocide by the Khmer rouge was a non issue. They were merely against the US military, and nobody else's. Are

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2014-07-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 03 Jul 2014, at 06:51, Richard Ruquist wrote: Quantum measure is the result of solving Schrodinger's Eq. yielding a different probability for each quantum state and a different measure for each different scenario

Re: RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
Spudboy is mixed up. The Khmer were Cambodians and never attacked us/US even though we bombed them. On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:23 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Is there any war you think the US ever should fight? Chris it was like the old war

Re: Tyson is not atheist (was Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-07-03 Thread meekerdb
On 7/3/2014 11:05 AM, John Clark wrote: I know, but a little thing like being self-contradictory would never stop a good theologian Lol. Good humor. I wish it were a joke, just last month in a HBO documentary Pastor Peter LaRuffa educated the world with these words

Re: RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2014 11:23 AM Subject: Re: RE: American Intelligence Is there any war you think the US ever should fight? Chris it was like

Re: Tyson is not atheist (was Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-07-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
I am waiting to read in the bible that the sum of positive integers from one to infinity is a negative fraction of the first integer. In other words, the bible is more believable than mathematics. Richard On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/3/2014 11:05

Re: RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2014 11:32 AM Subject: Re: RE: American Intelligence Spudboy is mixed up. The Khmer were Cambodians and never attacked us/US even though we bombed them.

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-03 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I predict that the H-guy will see Helsinki, unless you destroy him immediately after duplication That is indeed the case in the step 3 protocol. Fine, then currently nobody is seeing Helsinki. in which case the

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-03 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-03 21:51 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I predict that the H-guy will see Helsinki, unless you destroy him immediately after duplication That is indeed the case in the step 3 protocol. Fine,

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2014-07-03 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 02:30:22PM -0400, Richard Ruquist wrote: It seems that the measure of the reals and the quantum measure and the comp measure are three different things. Richard They are three different measures, but all satisfy the measure axioms. What I was trying to get at was

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2014-07-03 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Bruno, Is the measure idempotent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idempotence? On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 03 Jul 2014, at 06:51, Richard Ruquist wrote: Quantum measure is the result of solving Schrodinger's Eq. yielding a different

Re: RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com Sound good, I will go look for a brain, and you can begin your search for a heart, Mr. Tin man. Oh I have a heart, brainless one... it is you who are heartless and are demanding we all

Re: QM and oil droplets

2014-07-03 Thread LizR
This is very interesting! If it's true it means that any worlds where the Nazis won WW2 are googolplexes of lightyears away and moving away from us at far greater than lightspeed, rather than merely separated from us by a lack of quantum entanglement - which has to be a good thing, IMHO. Many of

Re: QM and oil droplets

2014-07-03 Thread LizR
Oops I think I should have read Telmo's post before making mine. Apparently there is a potential smoking gun to show that de Brglie/Bohm dunnit. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-03 Thread LizR
On 4 July 2014 07:10, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 10:13 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The yes doctor thing says that if H-guy is destroyed in the process of being scanned prior to transmission, then he will see Then who will see? Two copies of

Re: Brain and Mind (Interesting video clip)

2014-07-03 Thread LizR
Thanks, I will watch it when I get 17 minutes to spare, have access to a PC, and won't disturb anyone else in the process (or give away that I'm not working to my colleagues... :-). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread LizR
I have a diploma, which many people think is as good as a brain... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: QM and oil droplets

2014-07-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is very interesting! If it's true it means that any worlds where the Nazis won WW2 are googolplexes of lightyears away and moving away from us at far greater than lightspeed, rather than merely separated from us by a lack of

Re: RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread Richard Ruquist
The Russians were also silent about the US illegal military excursions. The two nations cooperated at the highest levels and all scientific levels. I was a participant. Regarding the Khmer Rouge, they actively fought the Vietnamese and lost, ie.:

RE: RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR I have a diploma, which many people think is as good as a brain... Or even better than a brain… brains can become such troublesome things you know. Brains can cause people to think!

Re: Tyson is not atheist (was Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-07-03 Thread LizR
On 3 July 2014 05:16, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 01 Jul 2014, at 21:16, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2014 9:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But you don't have to prove something doesn't exist to reasonably fail to believe that it does. I don't have proof that there is no teapot

Re: Tyson is not atheist (was Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-07-03 Thread LizR
On 3 July 2014 23:32, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I also like Baker, Tom I assume rather than Colin (who played Dr Who number 6 - and is a very nice guy, by the way). who starred in a couple of fantasy flicks like Sinbad, and whatever, Pertwee

Re: Tyson is not atheist (was Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-07-03 Thread meekerdb
On 7/3/2014 7:19 PM, LizR wrote: On 3 July 2014 05:16, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 01 Jul 2014, at 21:16, meekerdb wrote: On 7/1/2014 9:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But you don't have to prove something doesn't exist to reasonably fail to

RE: RE: American Intelligence

2014-07-03 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Ruquist Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 7:04 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: RE: American Intelligence The Russians were also silent about the US illegal military

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-03 Thread Kim Jones
On 4 Jul 2014, at 11:31 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Another bloviating blustering belligerent bellicose bunch of bollocks from Mr Clark follows: For the moment forget what your third grade English teacher may have said and answer the following question: For the moment maybe switch

Re: Tyson is not atheist (was Re: So, a new kind of non-boolean, non-digital, computer architecture

2014-07-03 Thread LizR
OK, that isn't the definition of atheist I have come across but if you are only using it in the weak sense of I don't positively believe in any god or gods then that's fine. Here for comparison purposes are the definitions from Wiktionary. I generally assume that definitions 1 or 3 are the most