2014-07-09 2:36 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014 4:26 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le 9 juil. 2014 01:09, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit :
On 7/8/2014 3:26 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le 8 juil. 2014 22:56, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit :
On
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Telmo,
In light of recent nationalist spikes and troughs on the list, heartfelt
German apologies for the aggression of our country towards the Portuguese
speaking population of our pale blue dot.
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
wrote:
Congratulations. This message beats any level of politically correct
sickness in this self-help group.
I will concede that the self-help group remark was funny.
2014-07-09 6:10 GMT+02:00 Platonist Guitar
Sure, there is always human paranoia as component is any perceived threat. Your
qualification of yourself as a reasonable person is kind of a stretch. You
have come across as a determined ideologist, rather then someone pragmatic.
Giving you a sales pitch for which you are tone-deaf, as an act
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For Bruno:
Excerpt:
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On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Obviously if duplication is possible then singular pronouns become
plural ones in the process.
Yes, and yet Bruno still demands to know what one and only one city
*you* will see. And things are not made clear if Bruno
On 09 Jul 2014, at 01:15, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/8/2014 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Jul 2014, at 07:27, meekerdb wrote:
Yes, that's an interesting aspect of Bruno's theory. He
identifies provable with believes. But the the same kind of
thing can be done in a physical theory:
On 09 Jul 2014, at 03:51, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/8/2014 6:03 PM, LizR wrote:
I still can't see how the computation can know that it's got a real
world to relate to, rather than a replay of the inputs recorded
previously. Which as far as I know is all the MGA relies on.
I can't see how a
Liquid Hydrogen would be a pretty good fuel for airplanes, so let’s see how
many solar cells would be needed to make the fuel to keep one in the air. A
747 jet uses on average 140 megawatts of power, incidentally even the old
fashioned nuclear reactor on a Nimitz class aircraft carrier can
On 09 Jul 2014, at 04:03, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/8/2014 6:14 PM, LizR wrote:
On 9 July 2014 12:36, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
the proof that mga gives is a reductio assumibg it's the physical
instantiation that gives the computation reality. The conscious
computation is assumed at
From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sure, there is always human paranoia as component is any perceived threat.
Your qualification of yourself as a reasonable person is kind of a stretch.
You have come across as a
On 09 Jul 2014, at 04:59, LizR wrote:
On 9 July 2014 14:03, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/8/2014 6:14 PM, LizR wrote:
So suppose we have a conscious computer frozen in state S1. We
start it running and let it interact with its environment via, say,
a body in the form of a Mars
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To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:51 AM
Subject: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?
Liquid Hydrogen would be a pretty good fuel for airplanes,
Liquid hydrogen is
On 7/8/2014 11:13 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
That's what I said. And I think it fails to show that no physical
instantiation is
necessary because it relies on the meaning given to the original
computational
sequence to impute meaning to the MG.
No it relies on its assumption
2014-07-09 20:35 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014 11:13 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
That's what I said. And I think it fails to show that no physical
instantiation is necessary because it relies on the meaning given to the
original computational sequence to impute
Americans don't say cheers. Bwah hah hah hah! Now you do have the capability
to exclude mail recipients if you are using Outlook.The One quarter of the
human race statement should clarify to anyone concerned, that you're not
deciding on principle, but fear, which is zero surprise. The ad
On 09 Jul 2014, at 18:19, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Obviously if duplication is possible then singular pronouns
become plural ones in the process.
Yes, and yet Bruno still demands to know what one and only one
city
From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com
Americans don't say cheers. Bwah hah hah hah! Now you do have the capability
to exclude mail recipients if you are using Outlook.The One quarter of the
human race statement should
You may have written exhaustively on this before, but, one more time please.
How do you build a theology based on mathematics. I don't see Pythagoras as
being a source of happiness for most earthlings. Of yourself, I have no doubt!
Also, maybe the God of the Bible all came from Lucid Dreaming.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: How dangerous is radiation?
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:22 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
I apologize for taking a new title for this over-discussed topic.
Somebody (sounds like Bruno, the fonts look like Brent) wrote:
...let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales.
You confirm what I said to John Clark. *Atheist* defend the God of the
bible. Read Plotinus, forget
You have offered no solutions, and seem to want none, Chris. You don't see a
problem or don't want to acknowledge that there is one. This is pretty normal
avoidance behavior, and I was never attempting to persuade you with either
facts or passion. I contend its a real threat, I believe it
Lucid dreaming has been used by Kurt Leland to observe the afterlife and
communicate with its inhabitants.
http://www.kurtleland.com/
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You may have written exhaustively on this before, but,
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You wouldn't have 747s, you would have dirigibles. (Read more SF! :-)
Especially since a green economy would imply that everyone telecommutes,
and most people live on locally grown produce. So far less air travel.
(Although this is a bit of a pipe dream because it looks like climate
change will
On 10 July 2014 06:14, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 09 Jul 2014, at 04:59, LizR wrote:
On 9 July 2014 14:03, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/8/2014 6:14 PM, LizR wrote:
So suppose we have a conscious computer frozen in state S1. We start it
running and let it
I wish I could just do normal dreaming lucidly enough to remember what I
dreamt, but I almost always forget. I think my short term memory is VERY
short term, dammit.
What were we talking about again?
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I have a cousin who claims to do this sort of thing. I try to avoid being
cornered by him at parties (and I try to ignore the fact that his
supernatural powers let him know I'm trying to avoid him...)
On 10 July 2014 09:13, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Lucid dreaming has been used
It sounds like you are describing an agnostic. An atheist seems to be
against (often some specific collection of) gods. An agnostic just says I
don't know anything about that, and until some evidence comes up I won't
consider the possibility worth discussing.
Hence
Agnostic - there *could* be a
From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com
You have offered no solutions,
Solution to what, exactly? There is no problem that requires solving, in the
first place! You demand that we embark on a radical course of action; on a
On 7/9/2014 10:51 AM, John Clark wrote:
Liquid Hydrogen would be a pretty good fuel for airplanes, so let’s see how many solar
cells would be needed to make the fuel to keep one in the air. A 747 jet uses on average
140 megawatts of power, incidentally even the old fashioned nuclear reactor on
On 7/9/2014 11:19 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
Liquid hydrogen is hard to make and store (it needs to be liquefied to near absolute
zero -- an energy intensive process all by itself); the volumetric density of liquid
hydrogen is not all that impressive either. Liquid
On 7/9/2014 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-09 20:35 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014 11:13 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
That's what I said. And I think it fails to show that no physical
instantiation is necessary
2014-07-10 1:44 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/9/2014 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-09 20:35 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014 11:13 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
That's what I said. And I think it fails to show that no physical
2014-07-10 1:51 GMT+02:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com:
2014-07-10 1:44 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/9/2014 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-09 20:35 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014 11:13 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
That's what
On 10 July 2014 11:44, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It's saying yes, an artificial brain can maintain my consciousness *by
interacting with my environment in the same way my natural brain did*.
By doing everything your natural brain did, in fact. That is to say, if the
input is the
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Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?
On 7/9/2014 11:19 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
Liquid
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
wrote:
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Telmo,
In light of recent nationalist spikes and troughs on the list, heartfelt
German apologies for the aggression
On 10 July 2014 12:21, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com
wrote:
I think it's the closest I got to live through millions being thrown into
collective altered state. Maybe not mystical, but there were millions of
Germans who, in between jubilation, had to process highly improbable
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 July 2014 12:21, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com
wrote:
I think it's the closest I got to live through millions being thrown into
collective altered state. Maybe not mystical, but there were millions of
There are several gradations, which I interleave below with some modifications. Not
believing in a teapot is important and deserves it's own word, ateapotist. :-) And I
changed Sun to Jupiter since we're all pretty sure there a millions of teapots
orbiting the Sun.
On 7/9/2014 4:27 PM, LizR
On 7/9/2014 4:51 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-10 1:44 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/9/2014 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-09 20:35 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net:
On
On 7/9/2014 4:59 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-10 1:51 GMT+02:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com
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2014-07-10 1:44 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/9/2014 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Russell Brand: After last night I can only enjoy football matches where a
nation is forced to reexamine its entire identity and way of life.
Sadly, even if you could deliver unadulterated euphoric joy to millions in
an instant, most of them will have trouble to believe it, and point to the
On 7/9/2014 5:15 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 July 2014 11:44, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It's saying yes, an artificial brain can maintain my consciousness *by
interacting
with my environment in the same way my natural brain did*.
By doing everything
On 10 July 2014 13:15, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
That means if the digital brain needed to interact with our environment,
the program would be linked to sensors giving it inputs to interact with
the world out there (the sensors are really only things that write in a
shared memory
On 10 July 2014 13:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But I think ultimately it does. If you have do include the environment in
the computation (and Bruno has said maybe you do, it's just a matter of
level) then I think it makes a metaphysical difference. Going back to my
example of
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:08 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
There are several gradations, which I interleave below with some
modifications. Not believing in a teapot is important and deserves it's
own word, ateapotist. :-) And I changed Sun to Jupiter since we're all
pretty sure
Obviously I was talking about space-borne teapots orbiting the Sun
independently of any that are sitting on planets. Either that or I forgot
it was supposed to be Jupiter (did I mention my terrible short term memory
already?).
Or maybe I went back to the original, where the teapot is orbiting the
On 7/9/2014 6:38 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 July 2014 13:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But I think ultimately it does. If you have do include the environment in
the
computation (and Bruno has said maybe you do, it's just a matter of
level) then I
On 10 July 2014 13:48, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It proves that Bruno's MGA doesn't dispense with physics. When
instantiating consciousness it's necessary to either allow the
consciousness to act within our physical world or to provide another
computed world within which it can
Look, theres an article fron Reuters indicating that ISIS is now in
possession of radialogical matetials now, so is thisa benign thing? You
are content after all your writing all these posts on renewables to
leave the westerners reliant on petroleum from hostiles? If we go to
war, would
On 10 July 2014 14:56, spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
I know theres nothing we can do about it because the rich don't care, but
lying to ourselves isn't going to prevent catastrophes, but only increase
their likelihood.
This comment seems even more
Heres' a question. What would be bigger, genuine AI, or the discovery
of another technological civilization in the galaxy???
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To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 9, 2014 9:34 pm
Subject: Re: What's
On 7/9/2014 6:34 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 July 2014 13:15, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
That means if the digital brain needed to interact with our environment,
the program
would be linked to sensors giving it inputs to interact with the world out
On 7/9/2014 6:48 PM, LizR wrote:
Obviously I was talking about space-borne teapots orbiting the Sun independently of any
that are sitting on planets. Either that or I forgot it was supposed to be Jupiter (did
I mention my terrible short term memory already?).
Or maybe I went back to the
It could be relevant to climate change with two recent developments.
One is the discovery of volcanos under the antartic and the second, the
other day, regarding one of the largest numerically bio-organisms, now
seen as producing methane. I think thy're called SAR-11, or Rick,
either is good!
On 10 July 2014 15:01, spudboy100 via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
Heres' a question. What would be bigger, genuine AI, or the discovery of
another technological civilization in the galaxy???
I vote for the discovery of the missing Dr Who episodes!
Apart from
On 7/9/2014 7:08 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 July 2014 13:48, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It proves that Bruno's MGA doesn't dispense with physics. When
instantiating
consciousness it's necessary to either allow the consciousness to act
within our
-Original Message-
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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com]
Look, theres an article fron Reuters indicating that ISIS is now in
possession of radialogical matetials now, so is thisa benign thing?
Did I say that?
But all you have there is a
On 10 July 2014 15:35, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/9/2014 7:08 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 July 2014 13:48, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It proves that Bruno's MGA doesn't dispense with physics. When
instantiating consciousness it's necessary to either allow the
On 10 July 2014 15:04, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/9/2014 6:48 PM, LizR wrote:
Obviously I was talking about space-borne teapots orbiting the Sun
independently of any that are sitting on planets. Either that or I forgot
it was supposed to be Jupiter (did I mention my terrible
Le 10 juil. 2014 03:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit :
On 7/9/2014 4:51 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-10 1:44 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/9/2014 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-09 20:35 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/8/2014
Le 10 juil. 2014 03:15, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net a écrit :
On 7/9/2014 4:59 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2014-07-10 1:51 GMT+02:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com:
2014-07-10 1:44 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 7/9/2014 11:38 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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