Re: Reconciling Random Neuron Firings and Fading Qualia

2015-05-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Saturday, May 16, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/15/2015 10:10 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 13 May 2015, at 11:59 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jasonre...@gmail.com'); wrote: Chalmer's fading quailia argument

Re: Theories that explain everything explain nothing

2015-05-16 Thread John Mikes
Thanks, Colin. I just wonder why scientific observer? Your parenthetic Observer ( i.e. consciousness, IMO a respondent to relations) has nothing to do with (our) 'science' based on today's levels of knwoledge. I appreciate your excempting 'ourselves' (the human observer) from a TOE. Cheers John

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bruce

Re: My comments on The Movie Graph Argument Revisited by Russell Standish

2015-05-16 Thread John Clark
On Fri, May 15, 2015 John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: forget about sdtatistical! *NO. * Statistics is 'counting WITHIN arbitrary (and that can mean: presently knowable) limitations. Exceed those and your statistics is hogwash. *Then don't exceed those limits*. Try the infinite

Re: Michael Shermer becomes sceptical about scepticism!

2015-05-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Here is another out of the box thinker, Telmo, that has published a book of course. He is a prof at Stanford University, with a view unlike anything I can recall covering this topic. Like Lomborg, or Matt Ridley. A WaPo article, none the less!

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Bruce Kellett
Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bruce Kellett Are you seriously going to argue that homo sapiens did *not*

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Bruce Kellett
meekerdb wrote: On 5/15/2015 10:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The AI that I envisage will probably be based on a learning program of some sort, that will have to learn in much the same way as an infant human learns. I doubt that we will ever be able to create an AI that is essentially an

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread meekerdb
On 5/15/2015 11:14 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 5/15/2015 10:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The AI that I envisage will probably be based on a learning program of some sort, that will have to learn in much the same way as an infant human learns. I doubt that we will ever be able

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Bruce Kellett
Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 5/15/2015 10:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The AI that I envisage will probably be based on a learning program of some sort, that will have to learn in much the same way as an infant human

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Bruce Kellett
Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 5/15/2015 10:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The AI that I envisage will probably be based on a learning

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 5/15/2015 10:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Bruce

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Bruce Kellett
meekerdb wrote: On 5/15/2015 11:14 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 5/15/2015 10:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The AI that I envisage will probably be based on a learning program of some sort, that will have to learn in much the same way as an infant human learns. I doubt that we

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Very, well. It's usually vague when science writers talk about wave-particle duality. It always seems they use the photon, and never the electron in such tests. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au To: everything-list

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread LizR
On 16 May 2015 at 08:56, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 5/14/2015 7:24 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: LizR wrote: On 15 May 2015 at 06:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto: meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I'm trying to understand what counterfactual correctness means in the

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Bruce Kellett
Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Bruce Kellett So you think that Darwinian evolution produced intelligent zombies, and then computationalism infused consciousness? No. What I am saying is that consciousness is not a plausible target for gradual evolution for the

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread meekerdb
On 5/16/2015 4:44 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Bruce Kellett So you think that Darwinian evolution produced intelligent zombies, and then computationalism infused consciousness? No. What I am saying is that consciousness is not a

Re: What does the MGA accomplish?

2015-05-16 Thread Bruce Kellett
meekerdb wrote: On 5/16/2015 4:44 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Bruce Kellett So you think that Darwinian evolution produced intelligent zombies, and then computationalism infused consciousness? No. What I am saying is that