Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On 9/27/2019 11:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Sep 2019, at 02:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 9/25/2019 8:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:44, Philip Thrift > wrote: On

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 7:40 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 2:56:42 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 5:01 PM Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >> >>> >>> And you forgot 3- it's always the same matter in w0 and w1, just seen >>> from another POV, like a

Re: How much is too Many Worlds, is it just right?

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 1:11:48 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:59 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > *Not a plausible answer. It would mean that all possible universes >> which could be created, existed prior to the BB, or forever backward in >> time. That

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 3:23:20 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/27/2019 2:40 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > hilip Ball talks about Hossenfelder's take, then Orzel's take: > > > https://philipball.blogspot.com/2019/09/just-how-conceptually-economical-is.html > : > > ... > > *Sabine

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On 9/27/2019 12:35 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: BTW Sabine Hossenfelder just posted her Many Worlds view: http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-trouble-with-many-worlds.html Sabine writes: /The reason is this. In the many worlds interpretation, if you set up a detector for a

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On 9/27/2019 4:57 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:30 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:38 PM Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday,

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On 9/27/2019 3:38 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: 1) There is no hint from experiments of a violation of unitary time > evolution according to the Schrodinger equation. Except every measurement ever made in every experiment ever run. *But if every interaction with the environment in

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On 9/27/2019 2:40 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: hilip Ball talks about Hossenfelder's take, then Orzel's take: https://philipball.blogspot.com/2019/09/just-how-conceptually-economical-is.html  : ... *Sabine Hossenfelder*: "Many Worlds in and by itself doesn't say anything about whether the

Re: Many Worlds morality

> On 26 Sep 2019, at 17:17, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 12:08:35 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 25 Sep 2019, at 09:55, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1:25:58 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >> >> >> On

Re: How much is too Many Worlds, is it just right?

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 10:43:28 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Sep 2019, at 11:45, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 3:11:27 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le jeu. 26 sept. 2019 à 09:41, Philip Thrift a >> écrit : >> >>>

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On 9/26/2019 11:41 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 7:01:19 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: It seems that nearly everyone on the list has a strong opinion about 

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 1:42:00 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > it [?] associates the qualia, not to the computational state realised by > the amoebas work, but to the infinitely many equivalent state realised in > arithmetic. A priori there are far too much, but the math shows

Re: How much is too Many Worlds, is it just right?

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:59 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > *Not a plausible answer. It would mean that all possible universes which > could be created, existed prior to the BB, or forever backward in time. > That is, It assumes the universe "knows" in advance that some lab guy will > do a double

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 12:53:14 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Sep 2019, at 09:35, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 2:01:45 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> >> Le ven. 27 sept. 2019 à 08:41, Philip Thrift a >> écrit : >> >>> >>>

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 26 Sep 2019, at 14:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le jeu. 26 sept. 2019 à 14:39, Stathis Papaioannou > a écrit : > > > On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 at 11:48, Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 4:30:01

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 11:09 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *You repeat yourself.* > I repeat myself?! How often have you said "*according to Plato*" or "*in your religion*" or "*your God matter*", and of course your standard rubber stamp phrase you use whenever I've shown an obvious contradiction

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On 26-09-2019 21:38, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 9/26/2019 11:55 AM, smitra wrote: On 26-09-2019 02:56, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 9/25/2019 2:28 PM, smitra wrote: On 25-09-2019 15:30, Philip Thrift wrote: On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 8:15:59 AM

Re: Sean Carroll: Universe a 'tiny sliver' of all there is

> On 26 Sep 2019, at 02:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/25/2019 8:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:44, Philip Thrift >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 6:23:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

> On 27 Sep 2019, at 14:26, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:30 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:38 PM Alan Grayson >

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

> On 27 Sep 2019, at 09:56, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 5:01 PM Quentin Anciaux > wrote: > > And you forgot 3- it's always the same matter in w0 and w1, just seen from > another POV, like a circle in a 2d plane could be thought to be from a

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

> On 27 Sep 2019, at 09:35, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 2:01:45 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Le ven. 27 sept. 2019 à 08:41, Philip Thrift > a écrit : > > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 7:01:19 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > On

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

> On 27 Sep 2019, at 02:34, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 9/26/2019 5:01 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> It seems that nearly everyone on the list has a strong opinion about Sean >> Carroll's

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

> On 27 Sep 2019, at 02:50, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > I still haven't read Carroll's book I downloaded because it's more > intellectually enervating to view this argument. Beyond this, let us do a > Useless Straw Poll here. If you were forced to choose the shape of reality,

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 10:31:02 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Sep 2019, at 11:23, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:47:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:03, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday,

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

> On 27 Sep 2019, at 11:23, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:47:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:03, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On

Re: How much is too Many Worlds, is it just right?

> On 27 Sep 2019, at 07:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:43 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 7:04:42 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 11:00 AM Stathis Papaioannou > > wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 2019

Re: How much is too Many Worlds, is it just right?

> On 26 Sep 2019, at 11:45, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 3:11:27 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > Le jeu. 26 sept. 2019 à 09:41, Philip Thrift > a écrit : > > > I have one question (for Carroll or Zurek): > > Suppose world W branches (in reality,

Re: Observation versus assumption

John, You repeat yourself. What you say has been answered more than once, and you have not comment it. In a nutshell, you can’t use your ontological commitment if you want to proceed with the scientific method. Then you dismiss the main point of my post systematically. You are wasting the time

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 5:57:33 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:30 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:38 PM Alan Grayson >>> wrote: >>> On Wednesday, September 25,

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 9:30 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:38 PM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:56:31 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: Except every measurement ever

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 7:35:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/26/2019 5:01 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> It seems that nearly everyone on the list has a strong opinion about Sean >> Carroll's new

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 5:25:25 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:38 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:56:31 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> Except every measurement ever made in every experiment ever run. >>> >> >> *But if every

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 8:38 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:56:31 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> Except every measurement ever made in every experiment ever run. >> > > *But if every interaction with the environment in decoherence satisfies > unitary time

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:56:31 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/25/2019 2:28 PM, smitra wrote: > > On 25-09-2019 15:30, Philip Thrift wrote: > >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 8:15:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:11 AM Philip

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 2:56:42 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 5:01 PM Quentin Anciaux > wrote: > >> >> And you forgot 3- it's always the same matter in w0 and w1, just seen >> from another POV, like a circle in a 2d plane could be thought to be from a >> sphere

Re: What is Mechanism, Bruno style?

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:47:10 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Sep 2019, at 17:03, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 8:37:23 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 5:01 PM Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > And you forgot 3- it's always the same matter in w0 and w1, just seen from > another POV, like a circle in a 2d plane could be thought to be from a > sphere or a cylinder intersecting a 2d plane, so if you see the many 2d > planes

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 2:01:45 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le ven. 27 sept. 2019 à 08:41, Philip Thrift > a écrit : > >> >> >> On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 7:01:19 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5,

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

Le ven. 27 sept. 2019 à 08:41, Philip Thrift a écrit : > > > On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 7:01:19 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> It seems that nearly everyone on the list has a strong opinion >>>

Re: Sean Carroll's new book

On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 7:01:19 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 6:54:59 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> It seems that nearly everyone on the list has a strong opinion about Sean >> Carroll's new book, but has anyone other than me actually