On 08 Apr 2014, at 02:20, LizR wrote:
On 7 April 2014 17:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/6/2014 9:14 PM, LizR wrote:
Interesting. That seems like quite a complicated thing in itself. I
don't know if crows would have the abstract idea of counting, or if
they had to do it some
Yes it seems like we can 'count something like 5 objects without thinking
(e.g. I think we can remember about five digits at a time without effort),
and this apaprently isn't anything special to humans.
However, some plants only flower every 13 or 17 (or another prime number)
of years!
So plants
On 07 Apr 2014, at 00:18, John Mikes wrote:
Samiya Illias,
you took up an honorable position and will be rewarded for it in the
afterlife - if there is an afterlife.
Well, let us hope, but this assumes not just that there is an
afterlife, but a rewarding sort of abramanic God.
A
On 07 Apr 2014, at 04:33, LizR wrote:
I'm not sure what I did wrong that led to this thread being
immediately hijacked by religion - surely the possibility of crows
exhibiting a similar type of intelligence to humans (albeit in a
lesser degree) is a more interesting subject than some
On 7 April 2014 21:30, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
No, I don't agree with the 'sentencing to death' for blasphemy. Quoting
from my own blog (the link I sent earlier):
16:93 If Allah so willed, He could make you all one people: But He leaves
straying whom He pleases, and He
On 04 Apr 2014, at 19:05, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis
Bruno,
Is French your first language? If so, you can download the original French
book by Dr Maurice Bucaille from the following link:
http://www.islamic-invitation.com/downloads/Bible-Quran-Science_fr.pdf
This study was made many years ago. If this inspires you, perhaps you can
give a fresh look
Hi Samiya,
On 06 Apr 2014, at 15:41, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno,
Is French your first language?
Not really. (Born in Germany, german/polish nurse).
If so, you can download the original French book by Dr Maurice
Bucaille from the following link:
Samiya Illias,
you took up an honorable position and will be rewarded for it in the
afterlife - if there is an afterlife.
A friend (almost reaching the title of Catholic Priest) said in a similar
discussion: It means so little mental investment to BELIVE and the reward
is so great (eternal bliss)
On 4/6/2014 3:18 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Samiya Illias,
you took up an honorable position and will be rewarded for it in the afterlife - if
there is an afterlife.
A friend (almost reaching the title of Catholic Priest) said in a similar discussion: It
means so little mental investment to BELIVE
I'm not sure what I did wrong that led to this thread being immediately
hijacked by religion - surely the possibility of crows exhibiting a similar
type of intelligence to humans (albeit in a lesser degree) is a more
interesting subject than some ideas people made up millennia ago in an
attempt to
Hey Liz, I was simply trying to point out that some truths that science is
discovering now we have already known through our scripture since
centuries. And that the scripture is also a credible source for taking
hints and clues about the world and then using intelligence and research to
explore
John, your friend's position sounds almost like Pascal's wager: personally
I think its a poor reason to believe, if it can at all be considered
belief. I know it would be 'the smart thing to do', 'playing it safe', etc,
but I think faith and belief require a major mental investment: its
requires
On 4/6/2014 7:33 PM, LizR wrote:
I'm not sure what I did wrong that led to this thread being immediately hijacked by
religion - surely the possibility of crows exhibiting a similar type of intelligence to
humans (albeit in a lesser degree) is a more interesting subject than some ideas people
On 4/6/2014 8:34 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
John, your friend's position sounds almost like Pascal's wager: personally I think its a
poor reason to believe, if it can at all be considered belief. I know it would be 'the
smart thing to do', 'playing it safe', etc, but I think faith and belief
On 7 April 2014 15:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/6/2014 7:33 PM, LizR wrote:
I'm not sure what I did wrong that led to this thread being immediately
hijacked by religion - surely the possibility of crows exhibiting a similar
type of intelligence to humans (albeit in a
On 7 April 2014 15:24, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Liz, I was simply trying to point out that some truths that science is
discovering now we have already known through our scripture since
centuries. And that the scripture is also a credible source for taking
hints and
On 7 April 2014 15:48, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/6/2014 8:34 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
John, your friend's position sounds almost like Pascal's wager: personally
I think its a poor reason to believe, if it can at all be considered
belief. I know it would be 'the smart thing
Yes, according to my understanding, the text is certainly inspired by
higher intelligence (with Divine permission). The study of the Qur'an
reveals many 1p and 3p statements. The 1p statements are also of two
categories: the singular 1p which we understand largely to be God being
quoted, whereas
I live in Pakistan. I've published my take on Blasphemy in my blog:
http://islam-qna.blogspot.com/2011/01/blasphemy.html
-
Unless you live in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or some other fundamentalist
muslim country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy
Brent
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at
On 4/6/2014 9:14 PM, LizR wrote:
On 7 April 2014 15:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/6/2014 7:33 PM, LizR wrote:
I'm not sure what I did wrong that led to this thread being immediately
hijacked by
religion - surely the possibility of crows
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote:
On 4 April 2014 15:59, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest we study and evaluate it for its literal merit, rather than
'what it might mean' thus removing all constructs and myths surrounding it.
On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote:
On 4 April 2014 15:59, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest we study and evaluate it for its literal merit, rather than
'what
On 4 April 2014 16:41, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
What is more important? Faith or Honest Faith? How can we honestly believe
in God when we think God doesn't know what He created? I think its a
disservice to God, to religion and to ourselves when we choose to not to
question
Stathis Papaioannou asks:
So are you saying that if a scientific error is pointed out to you in the
Bible or the Quran you will accept that they are not the word of God?
Honest answer: I don't know.
To quote from the last paragraph of General Conclusions from Dr Maurice
Bucaille's book:
'In view
2014-04-04 12:20 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com:
Stathis Papaioannou asks:
So are you saying that if a scientific error is pointed out to you in the
Bible or the Quran you will accept that they are not the word of God?
Honest answer: I don't know.
To quote from the last
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-04-04 12:20 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com:
Stathis Papaioannou asks:
So are you saying that if a scientific error is pointed out to you in the
Bible or the Quran you will accept that they are
On 4/3/2014 10:47 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
To see what I mean, please read the book by Dr Maurice Bucaille
https://ia700504.us.archive.org/18/items/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille/TheBibletheQuranScienceByDr.mauriceBucaille.pdf
Oh, so you didn't mean *literally*; because that
On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 4 April 2014 15:59, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest we study
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou
stath...@gmail.comwrote:
On 4 April
2014-04-04 19:05 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 4 April 2014 20:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:24
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-04-04 19:05 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 04 Apr 2014, at 11:44, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 4 April 2014
On 5 April 2014 06:14, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote:
2014-04-04 19:05 GMT+02:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
the existence
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060606-crows_2.html
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Qur'an Chapter 5, Verse 31: Then Allah sent a raven scratching up the
ground, to show him how to hide his brother's naked corpse. He said: Woe
unto me! Am I not able to be as this raven and so hide my brother's naked
corpse? And he became repentant. (Translator: Pickthal)
I'm not sure what that quote is supposed to mean, but the article was about
birds being intelligent in their own right, not acting intelligently
because they're under the control of God.
On 4 April 2014 16:55, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
Qur'an Chapter 5, Verse 31: Then Allah
Whether we consider intelligent beings as ' being intelligent in their own
right' or intelligence as being God-gifted is a matter of faith and
perspective. The subject of your email is Daphne du Maurier was right! Perhaps
the scriptures were also right? Perhaps its time to also consider
On 4/3/2014 9:16 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
Whether we consider intelligent beings as ' being intelligent in their own right' or
intelligence as being God-gifted is a matter of faith and perspective. The subject of
your email is Daphne du Maurier was right!Perhaps the scriptures were also right
intelligent in their own
right' or intelligence as being God-gifted is a matter of faith and
perspective. The subject of your email is Daphne du Maurier was right! Perhaps
the scriptures were also right? Perhaps its time to also consider the
scriptures as a source of plausible knowledge, and study
On 4 April 2014 15:59, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest we study and evaluate it for its literal merit, rather than
'what it might mean' thus removing all constructs and myths surrounding it.
Dr. Maurice Bucaille did something similar when he examined the scriptures
in
in their own
right'
or intelligence as being God-gifted is a matter of faith and perspective.
The
subject of your email is Daphne du Maurier was right!Perhaps the scriptures
were
also right? Perhaps its time to also consider the scriptures as a source of
plausible knowledge
What is more important? Faith or Honest Faith? How can we honestly believe
in God when we think God doesn't know what He created? I think its a
disservice to God, to religion and to ourselves when we choose to not to
question Faith, and not to examine it. Its not 'to test God', rather its to
test
-gifted is a matter of faith and
perspective. The subject of your email is Daphne du Maurier was right!
Perhaps
the scriptures were also right? Perhaps its time to also consider the
scriptures as a source of plausible knowledge, and study it along with
scientific inquiry to gain a clearer
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