Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Mar 2012, at 19:29, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If 2 different consciousnesses can not be distinguished in my symmetrical room from the first person point of view or from the third person point of view then it seems

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Identical bodies have identical minds, Yes. but identical minds can have different bodies. Who cares? It's consciousness I'm interested in. The universe does not know you are John Clark. You do. In my symmetrical room example

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Comp (and MWI) is a deterministic theory. Many Worlds is deterministic but I don't know about comp because comp is a homemade term never completely defined and used on this list and nowhere else. I don't even know if I agree with

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Mar 2012, at 18:31, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Identical bodies have identical minds, Yes. but identical minds can have different bodies. Who cares? It's consciousness I'm interested in. We discuss only on the consequence of the

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread meekerdb
On 3/29/2012 10:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: And YOU HAVE BEEN DUPLICATED. I will ask you to do the hairsplitting about that YOU, that you are using here, so as to convince me and others that it refutes indeed the indeterminacy about the first person experience displayed in the WM duplication

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Mar 2012, at 18:46, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Comp (and MWI) is a deterministic theory. Many Worlds is deterministic but I don't know about comp because comp is a homemade term never completely defined and used on this list

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Mar 2012, at 20:08, meekerdb wrote: On 3/29/2012 10:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: And YOU HAVE BEEN DUPLICATED. I will ask you to do the hairsplitting about that YOU, that you are using here, so as to convince me and others that it refutes indeed the indeterminacy about the first

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread meekerdb
On 3/29/2012 12:02 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Mar 2012, at 20:08, meekerdb wrote: On 3/29/2012 10:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: And YOU HAVE BEEN DUPLICATED. I will ask you to do the hairsplitting about that YOU, that you are using here, so as to convince me and others that it refutes

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread David Nyman
On 29 March 2012 20:47, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: You don't know that.  It's an assumption based on the idea that conscious experience is something a certain physical body, a brain, does.  But if conscious experience is a process then it is certainly possible to create a process

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread meekerdb
On 3/29/2012 6:20 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 29 March 2012 20:47, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: You don't know that. It's an assumption based on the idea that conscious experience is something a certain physical body, a brain, does. But if conscious experience is a process then it is

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/29/2012 9:20 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 29 March 2012 20:47, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: You don't know that. It's an assumption based on the idea that conscious experience is something a certain physical body, a brain, does. But if conscious experience is a process then it is

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread meekerdb
On 3/29/2012 7:37 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/29/2012 9:20 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 29 March 2012 20:47, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: You don't know that. It's an assumption based on the idea that conscious experience is something a certain physical body, a brain, does. But if

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-29 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/29/2012 11:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/29/2012 7:37 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/29/2012 9:20 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 29 March 2012 20:47, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: You don't know that. It's an assumption based on the idea that conscious experience is something a