On 29 Mar 2012, at 20:08, meekerdb wrote:

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On 3/29/2012 10:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:And YOU HAVE BEEN DUPLICATED.I will ask you to do the "hairsplitting" about that "YOU", that youare using here, so as to convince me and others that it refutesindeed the indeterminacy about the first person experiencedisplayed in the WM duplication thought experience (UDA step 3).Given that we both agree that we don't die in that experience, andgiven that you are the one claiming that there is no indeterminateoutcome, I will ask to give us an algorithm predicting the resultof the future self-localization experience.The outcome is deterministic just like Everett's QM isdeterministic. And it has the same problems being given aprobabilistic interpretation as EQM. If you duplicated a coin inthe transporter experiment the question, "Where will you expect tofind the coin." has the same problems as "Where do you expect tofind yourself". The implication is that "self" is not a unique'thing' (as for example a soul is assumed to be) but is process thatcan be realized in different media.

`I agree. But the experience is lived as unique, so we can follow`

`Plotinus in using the term soul for the owner of the 1-view, that is,`

`the knower. From its pov, it is not duplicable, in the trivial sense`

`that the duplication is never part of his experience. He would not`

`know if we did not give him the protocol.`

`mathematically, this is related to the fact that no machine can know`

`which machine she is, already seen clearly by Post and (re)intuited by`

`Benacerraf, and "intuited" by the machine itself, accepting the`

`Theaetetus' definition of knowledge.`

`I am not sure the problem of probability is identical in QM and COMP.`

`In QM, Everett showed that the P = A^2 principle does not depend on`

`the choice of the base, so that A can be considered as measuring the`

`relative proportion of possible accessible relative realities. This`

`does not work with finite multiverse, but it works with infinite`

`multiverse, and Gleason theorem justifies the unicity of the measure,`

`for sufficiently complex physical reality (meaning the Hilbert space`

`have to be of dimension bigger than 2. So in my opinion, the Born rule`

`is already explained.`

`With COMP, as I argue, we have to justify the wave itself (assuming QM`

`is correct) from the relative number relations and personal points of`

`view (as done in AUDA, for the logic of "measure one").`

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