Re: meditation

2013-01-26 Thread Jason Resch
On Jan 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/25/2013 8:22 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Even the idea that we are unconscious during deep sleep does not convince me. We could be conscious but without read/write access to our memories, so how would we know

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Dear Bruno, I can not agree with you. neither with anyone that contemplate a minimalistic extract of the ideas of the past from the point of view and the knowledge (and ignorance) of the present. Natural theology and the conquest of nature has been ever a part of Christianity not because that

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-01-26 Thread Jason Resch
Thanks. The below shows it would be impossible for us to have a rational discussion on the subject and therefore we need not waste any electrons on the subject. If in the future you change your mind and are interested in discussing the merits/properties/purpose of a possibly true and

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb 1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of the jews. 2. You have to have faith in God, not somethning else. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-25, 16:42:44 Subject: Re: Martin Luther

Re: Hyperloop

2013-01-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy On an image search, Hyperloop looks like a high speed train to me. They don't make profits but are a drain on the economy. - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-25, 21:54:39 Subject:

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Theology (beliefs) is objective and rational, but religiouis experience (faith) is subjective. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-25, 15:08:15 Subject: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality On 24 Jan 2013,

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 6:25:40 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi meekerdb 1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of the jews. In 1543 Luther published *On the Jews and Their Lies* in which he says that the Jews are a base, whoring people, that is, no

Re: Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: 1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of the jews. By his own words Luther advocated stupidity, and now you admit he was a hate filled racist demagog; so the man was stupid and the man was evil. So I

Re: on abortion

2013-01-26 Thread John Mikes
Craig, I read many of your posts, none was so pessimistic so far. To Roger's opinion: I don't know what may IMPROVE, (or even deteriorate?) the gene-pool? I think it is irrelevant. Good/Bad??? for whom? for what? Here is a post I wrote to the media about an abortion-related topic:

Re: on abortion

2013-01-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:36:45 AM UTC-5, JohnM wrote: Craig, I read many of your posts, none was so pessimistic so far. Ah, maybe I was being more sarcastic than the internet allows. I was intending to mock those ideas by quoting Scrooge, as I think that there is nothing further

Re: on abortion

2013-01-26 Thread Richard Ruquist
Take a lifeless (dead?) sperm and a lifeless egg - you can do whatever you want, no 'life' will start, only if both partners are alive already. What does that mean? On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:36 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Craig, I read many of your posts, none was so pessimistic

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/26/2013 11:45 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:36:45 AM UTC-5, JohnM wrote: Craig, I read many of your posts, none was so pessimistic so far. Ah, maybe I was being more sarcastic than the internet allows. I was intending to mock those ideas by quoting

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread meekerdb
On 1/26/2013 3:25 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of the jews. He didn't directly kill any, he just motivated the killing. But then the same is true of Hitler. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:55:22 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/26/2013 11:45 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:36:45 AM UTC-5, JohnM wrote: Craig, I read many of your posts, none was so pessimistic so far. Ah, maybe I was being more

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/26/2013 12:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:55:22 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/26/2013 11:45 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:36:45 AM UTC-5, JohnM wrote: Craig, I read many of your posts, none was so

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:28:01 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/26/2013 12:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:55:22 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/26/2013 11:45 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:36:45

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/26/2013 1:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:28:01 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/26/2013 12:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:55:22 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/26/2013 11:45 AM, Craig

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:36:49 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/26/2013 1:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:28:01 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/26/2013 12:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:55:22 AM

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread John Mikes
Brent: you do beware of the leader - follower position. If a leader actively also empowers the follower then (s)he may be responsible for anything that happens in such empoweredness. Luther conscience-wise, Hitler materially/organizationally empowered the followers. The 'leader' of the KKK, or the

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

2013-01-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, JohnM wrote: Brent: you do beware of the leader - follower position. If a leader actively also empowers the follower then (s)he may be responsible for anything that happens in such empoweredness. Luther conscience-wise, Hitler

Re: Hyperloop

2013-01-26 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 03:54:39AM +0100, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Search on this list turned up no results and I don't usually pick up this Why did you expect to see a discussion of this here? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with ensemble theories of everything! Well, its here

Re: Hyperloop

2013-01-26 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Yeah, welcome to the list Russell. So question of energy has no place in a TOE? Can you point me towards some examples (TOE's that are mute on energy/force and such things) ? Why? PGC On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at

Re: Hyperloop

2013-01-26 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:04:05AM +0100, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Yeah, welcome to the list Russell. So question of energy has no place in a TOE? Can you point me towards some examples (TOE's that are mute on energy/force and such things) ? The link posted was not about the physical

Re: Hyperloop

2013-01-26 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:04:05AM +0100, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Yeah, welcome to the list Russell. So question of energy has no place in a TOE? Can you point me towards some examples (TOE's that are

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/26/2013 9:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you are born in bondage to a powerful social system, how are you going to defend yourself? It's not even about defense, it's about an economic control. If the only way to make enough money to avoid being in perpetual debt is to already be wealthy,

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-26 Thread meekerdb
On 1/26/2013 8:15 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/26/2013 9:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you are born in bondage to a powerful social system, how are you going to defend yourself? It's not even about defense, it's about an economic control. If the only way to make enough money to avoid

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:15:54 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/26/2013 9:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you are born in bondage to a powerful social system, how are you going to defend yourself? It's not even about defense, it's about an economic control. If the only

Re: a system of oppression?

2013-01-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/27/2013 12:39 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:15:54 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/26/2013 9:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If you are born in bondage to a powerful social system, how are you going to defend yourself? It's not even about

Re: meditation

2013-01-26 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Telmo, On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi all, I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of

Re: meditation

2013-01-26 Thread meekerdb
On 1/26/2013 9:53 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think what you are describing comes automatically with comp, as any observer only knows their direct observations, which could be created by any one of an infinite number of possible programs going through the same state. Any one of these programs

Re: meditation

2013-01-26 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/26/2013 9:53 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think what you are describing comes automatically with comp, as any observer only knows their direct observations, which could be created by any one of an infinite number of

Re: meditation

2013-01-26 Thread meekerdb
On 1/26/2013 11:18 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:09 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/26/2013 9:53 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think what you are describing comes automatically with comp, as any observer only knows their