On Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, JohnM wrote:
>
> Brent:
> you do beware of the "leader" - "follower" position. If a leader actively 
> also empowers the follower then (s)he may be responsible for anything that 
> happens in such empoweredness. Luther conscience-wise, Hitler 
> materially/organizationally empowered the followers. The 'leader' of the 
> KKK, or the NRA is responsible for crimes committed in their empowerment. 
> The 'judge' is not the killer of the executed criminal, but responsible 
> for the killing - although many systems give the judge impunity for 
> mistakes. How about wars?
>
> I take exception to 'poverty' not being a forced oppression: in many 
> systems the 'upper class' rich people deprive the 'lower class' paupers of 
> means to elevate economically, although cute scientists explain such 
> development as a rightful evolution in society. They lie. 
>

Good point. Poverty is often a means and an end for intentional oppression. 
I was thinking that it would be oppressive even without that extra malice 
though.

Craig
 

> When Boehner urges tax-cuts for the super-rich and deep cuts in benefits 
> for poor people (and succeeds) that is willful oppression. He personally 
> may not push a slum-kid into hunger - or crime, but IS responsible 
> nonetheless. 
> I was an underdog under both Nazis and Commis, I know what it feels to be 
> forcibly oppressed. NG! 
>
> JohnM
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 11:56 AM, meekerdb <meek...@verizon.net<javascript:>
> > wrote:
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>>  On 1/26/2013 3:25 AM, Roger Clough wrote: 
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>> 1. Luther hated jews, but he had nothing to do with the extermination of 
>> the jews.
>>
>>
>> He didn't directly kill any, he just motivated the killing.  But then the 
>> same is true of Hitler.
>>
>> Brent
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