Re: Cosmology from Quantum Potential

2015-02-23 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Yeah, he is prolific. Publish or perish? His view is reflected in the papers of your compatriot, Whitworth, at Auckland Math(s) department. It sort of works for me because of me brain. Me brain has the amygdala which laffs or cries, and me cerebrum, deals with logic and executive functions.

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Feb 2015, at 23:52, LizR wrote: On 23 February 2015 at 10:17, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net Computationalism is an extraordinary claim. The claim that what goes on inside brains is at some level Turing- emulable seems not necessarily extraordinary - or do you think it is? It seems

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Feb 2015, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 2/22/2015 3:43 PM, LizR wrote: On 23 February 2015 at 12:32, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/22/2015 2:52 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:17 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Computationalism is an extraordinary

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Feb 2015, at 00:32, meekerdb wrote: On 2/22/2015 2:52 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:17 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/22/2015 9:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Feb 2015, at 02:50, meekerdb wrote: On 2/20/2015 8:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Feb 2015, at 01:38, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 5:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/22/2015 2:52 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:17 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/22/2015 9:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Feb

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Feb 2015, at 01:55, meekerdb wrote: On 2/22/2015 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Not as Bruno uses it: That all computations exist Platonically and instantiate all possible thoughts - and a lot of other stuff. That's arithmetical realism, not computationalism. However, to believe in

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Yes, as an explanation for the universe, is computationalism-math-cellular automata can be falsified? Or, maybe its simply the truth, and the physicists, let us say, who don't like it, find it too annoying to deal with? Plus, there's no funding for such a proof, as in a grant$, so why bother?

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Feb 2015, at 01:16, meekerdb wrote: On 2/22/2015 2:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 23 February 2015 at 10:17, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net Computationalism is an extraordinary claim. The claim that what goes on inside brains is at some level Turing- emulable seems not necessarily extraordinary

Re: Cosmology from Quantum Potential

2015-02-23 Thread John Mikes
Brent: cute. You said already something similar earlier. What I am asking is the raport WHY we say the chair has mass and we expend energy - in a scientific explanatory sense. BTW I tried (and failed) to pick up a proton to experience its 'mass'. According to some physicists it also has som

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread LizR
On 24 February 2015 at 09:03, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: You seem to take the same view as LizR, You're either for my theory or you're for a contrary theory. You started it, dear. Since you've already acted many times as though my agnosticism is really supporting a theory you

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread LizR
On 24 February 2015 at 09:03, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: But then this undermines the idea that the arithmetic existential quantifier provides the same exists as ostensive physical existence. That is clearly not being suggested by comp. Comp suggests that physical existence is maya

Re: Cosmology from Quantum Potential

2015-02-23 Thread meekerdb
On 2/23/2015 12:49 PM, John Mikes wrote: Brent: cute. You said already something similar earlier. What I am asking is the raport WHY we say the chair has mass and we expend energy - in a scientific explanatory sense. I'm sure you're aware that in the scientific sense they are values within

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Feb 2015, at 09:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: I would argue that the history of science tells us that humans tend to err on the side of assuming too much uniqueness in what they observe. I agree. Despite even Nature illustrates how much she likes to do things in the many: many atoms,

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread meekerdb
On 2/23/2015 7:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2015, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 2/22/2015 3:43 PM, LizR wrote: On 23 February 2015 at 12:32, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/22/2015 2:52 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread meekerdb
On 2/23/2015 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2015, at 01:16, meekerdb wrote: On 2/22/2015 2:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 23 February 2015 at 10:17, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net Computationalism is an extraordinary claim. The claim that what goes on

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread John Mikes
Brent: I am no 'skeptic' I just seek some basis WHY to believe? JM On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/23/2015 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2015, at 01:16, meekerdb wrote: On 2/22/2015 2:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 23 February 2015 at

Re: Cosmology from Quantum Potential

2015-02-23 Thread John Mikes
Liz: any idea what - MASS - anad - ENRGY- 'may' be? (not from the equational recourses based on the supposition of their 'existence' in science!) JM On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 7:05 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 February 2015 at 09:50, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: This

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread meekerdb
On 2/23/2015 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Feb 2015, at 01:55, meekerdb wrote: On 2/22/2015 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Not as Bruno uses it: That all computations exist Platonically and instantiate all possible thoughts - and a lot of other stuff. That's arithmetical

Re: Cosmology from Quantum Potential

2015-02-23 Thread meekerdb
On 2/23/2015 11:48 AM, John Mikes wrote: Liz: any idea what - MASS - anad - ENRGY- 'may' be? (not from the equational recourses based on the supposition of their 'existence' in science!) JM You want a pre-theoretic idea of mass and energy? Pick up your chair and lift it over your head ten

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread meekerdb
On 2/23/2015 11:51 AM, John Mikes wrote: Brent: I am no 'skeptic' I just seek some basis WHY to believe? What kind of basis? utility? perception? What would you consider a suitable basis? And why do you want to believe? Is it more than just deciding how to act? Brent -- You received

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:13 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/20/2015 7:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:59 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/19/2015 3:52 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thursday, February 19, 2015, meekerdb

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-23 Thread meekerdb
On 2/23/2015 12:58 PM, LizR wrote: On 24 February 2015 at 09:03, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: But then this undermines the idea that the arithmetic existential quantifier provides the same exists as ostensive physical existence. That is clearly not