Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-08 Thread Samiya Illias
John, please see my answers below your questions. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:08 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Samiya, please allow me one (two?) little questions: -- How can you tell a 'real' interpreter of God's words from a pretender? -- and I do not only refer to the 'publication'

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
On 8 April 2015 at 12:35, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Seems a lot simpler to have a primary physical universe. Then all you have to do is explore it. If simplicity is the key, then it's a lot simpler to have a Newtonian universe. In fact, it's even simpler to have one with

Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
Thanks Brent! On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: For Telmo. Brent Forwarded Message Thomas Jefferson is credited with the following sage advice, *“The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:40, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Who is traveling through time in a forward direction, Mr. John Clark or Mr. John Clark The Helsinki Man? Have you ever met anyone who doesn't feel like they are travelling

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-04-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: I understand what you are claiming, but I do not agree with it. The primary physical universe certainly exists, Then computationalism is false. But what are your evidence for

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Apr 2015, at 20:48, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 15:06, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tuesday, 7 April 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 Apr 2015, at 01:22, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-08 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thursday, April 9, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 20:48, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','marc...@ulb.ac.be'); wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 15:06, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-08 Thread John Mikes
Samiya, good answers. I would have liked to 'see' that ALL* false* messengers DO require worldly benefits - some may not. Jesus Christ did not - would you call the luxurious life of the Pope of Rome - his successor(?) - a proof for false messages? Your replies are longer than I can go into at 94.

Re: The Object

2015-04-08 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Good article Liz, I believe that physicists and astronomers tend to follow the teachings of mathematicians from centuries before, and to this list we can now add computer gearheads. To develop the research tools to makes discoveries predicted by math heads, takes a long while and a

Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
By the way I agree with the quote - well, banks and monopoly capitalism generally tend towards that Monopoly endgame that the West is now deeply into, where wealth acquires wealth for no reason to do with the production of useful goods or services, but just because it can. The only way to fix this

Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
It's already been the truth, but now with Silicon Valley billionaires and hedge funders, it's become a lot worse. How do we survive? -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Apr 8, 2015 5:30 pm Subject: Re: America:

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-08 Thread Bruce Kellett
LizR wrote: On 8 April 2015 at 05:41, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com mailto:stath...@gmail.com wrote: you feel that you are the same person from day to day

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-04-08 Thread Bruce Kellett
meekerdb wrote: On 4/8/2015 4:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: 'Yes doctor' fails because the necessary starting conditions cannot be realized for physical reasons. This does not mean that one cannot create a physical computer that completely models the human brain -- in other words, you could

RE: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread colin hales
We can change things. Everything these predatory self-interested oligarchs have (and their soul-less, ethics-less zombie proxy humans ... corporations) only exists because we believe it exists. The zombie apocalypse is happening as we speak! And we allow it because we believe in zombies.

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-04-08 Thread Bruce Kellett
Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: I understand what you are claiming, but I do not agree with it. The primary physical universe certainly exists, Then computationalism is false. But what

RE: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of colin hales Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 4:54 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time We can change things. Everything these

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-08 Thread Samiya Illias
John, I'll try to answer as briefly as possible. Please see below On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:03 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Samiya, good answers. I would have liked to 'see' that ALL* false* messengers DO require worldly benefits - some may not. Jesus Christ did not - We believe

Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Well, the mixed economy of a central bank that produces arbitrary paper money and big oligopolies of regulated, taxed and subsidized companies is not capitalism, but the mixed , social-democrat economy envisioned by Marx that would precede socialism, That is in the Comunist Manifesto, and Keynes

Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Inflation and deflation was precisely one of the mechanism envisioned by Marx /Keynes deprive people of their properties, so that the state would acquire all properties without the need to confiscatory laws. 2015-04-08 23:59 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: Well, the mixed

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-04-08 Thread meekerdb
On 4/8/2015 5:34 PM, LizR wrote: On 9 April 2015 at 11:16, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
Brent: Communism is not a terrible idea - it works fine for families. A lot of political problems come from trying to extend ethics that evolved for families and small tribes to nation states of millions of unrelated people. Thanks Brent, I keep saying this but seem to get reactions along

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
On 8 April 2015 at 05:35, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Who is traveling through time in a forward direction, Mr. John Clark or Mr. John Clark The Helsinki Man? We have agree that both the W-man and the M-man are the

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
On 8 April 2015 at 05:41, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: you feel that you are the same person from day to day and year to year, even if you know this is an illusion. How would things be different

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-04-08 Thread meekerdb
On 4/8/2015 4:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: The main point is that for a physical universe to exists in some primary form, you have to abandon the idea that a brain is Turing emulable. Not so. You essentially admit as much in the 'yes doctor' scenario. If you are happy to

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
On 8 April 2015 at 01:43, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: You left out traveling through time in a forward direction. Who is traveling through time in a forward direction, Mr. John Clark or Mr. John Clark The Helsinki Man? Have you ever met anyone who doesn't feel like they

Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
On 9 April 2015 at 11:53, colin hales col.ha...@gmail.com wrote: We can change things. Everything these predatory self-interested oligarchs have (and their soul-less, ethics-less zombie proxy humans ... corporations) only exists because we believe it exists. The zombie apocalypse is

Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread Alberto G. Corona
If the state take ownership of the central bank things would even be worse Inflation would skyrocket for obvious reasons. The problem is the fiat money, and fiat money is what Keyes and their socialist friends were after. 2015-04-09 0:03 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com:

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-04-08 Thread Bruce Kellett
LizR wrote: On 9 April 2015 at 11:16, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote:

Re: Life in the Islamic State for women

2015-04-08 Thread meekerdb
On 4/8/2015 5:42 PM, LizR wrote: Brent: Communism is not a terrible idea - it works fine for families. A lot of political problems come from trying to extend ethics that evolved for families and small tribes to nation states of millions of unrelated people. Thanks Brent, I keep

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
On 9 April 2015 at 11:16, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Apr 2015, at 02:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Apr 2015, at 04:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: I understand what you are claiming, but I do not agree with it. The primary

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-04-08 Thread Bruce Kellett
Bruno Marchal wrote: The main point is that for a physical universe to exists in some primary form, you have to abandon the idea that a brain is Turing emulable. Not so. You essentially admit as much in the 'yes doctor' scenario. If you are happy to replace your physical brain with one

Re: The MGA revisited

2015-04-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 05:22:20PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 12:51:30PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: So no conscious moment, even in with a dovetailer in Platonia, can ever be completely counterfactually correct, because there will always be

Re: America: Bankrupt Living on Borrowed Time

2015-04-08 Thread LizR
Wow good cartoon - near the knuckle. Nice to see Mr Monopoly ... and the names on the seats aren't exactly necessary... I must save a copy of that! On 8 April 2015 at 19:52, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Thanks Brent! On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 2:20 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net