Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 6/17/2018 3:51 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 6/17/2018 12:05 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The fact that energy spectra of atoms and the like are discrete does not change the fact that energy

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/17/2018 3:51 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* On 6/17/2018 12:05 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The fact that energy spectra of atoms and the like are discrete does not change the fact that energy eigenvalues are a continuous set of delta functions on the real line. And gener

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/17/2018 2:24 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018, > wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:29:35 PM UTC, Jason wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:26 AM, wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wr

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/17/2018 2:13 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: I think Jason answered that question very well. But who knows ​,​ the Transactional Interpretation could turn out to be right, it certainly makes far more sense than Copenhagen which isn’t even wrong. Copenhagen isn’t weir

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 11:43:33 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, > wrote: > > > > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> why do you prefer the M

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/17/2018 5:20 AM, Jason Resch wrote: How do you explain the finite computational resources of a table-top quantum computer factoring a prime number in seconds when it would take a classical computer the size of the solar system 10^100 years to do the same calculation? David Deutsch no

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/17/2018 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: why do you prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation? I see both as absurd. so I prefer

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 4:46:28 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 3:28:06 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/16/2018 2:32 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 9:07:43 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/16/2018

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 11:24:49 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: Jason Resch < jason...@gmail.com > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > [snip] > > Regarding preferred bases, both of the papers I provided which began this > thread address that question: > > http

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 12:02:21 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 7:14 PM, > > wrote: > > ​>>​ >>> What progress? The CI made no sense when it was first proposed 90 years >>> ago and it makes no more sense today. >>> >> > > ​>​ >> I told you; decoherence theory. >> >

Re: Mathematics as the result of natural selection

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 03:41:12PM -0700, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > There are various animals with numerical and geometrical skills. Curiously > some birds such as crows and parrots are very skilled. Dogs have > considerable social skills and language comprehension, as I know from > being a long

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 7:14 PM, wrote: ​>>​ >> What progress? The CI made no sense when it was first proposed 90 years >> ago and it makes no more sense today. >> > ​>​ > I told you; decoherence theory. > ​What about it, what is your theory of decoherence and how does it make the CI less dumb?

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 07:20:10AM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > > 6. Most of all, theories of everything that assume a reality containing > > all possible observers and observations lead directly to laws/postulates of > > quantum mechanics (see Russell Standish's Theory of Nothing > >

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

From: *Jason Resch* On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: * why do you prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation? I see both as absurd. s

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 9:24:40 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018, > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:29:35 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:26 AM, wrote: >>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason w

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:28:58 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, > > wrote: > > ​>>​ >>> Copenhagen which isn’t even wrong. Copenhagen isn’t weird its self >>> contradictory, it says quantum mechanics is the theory of the world and >>> everything must follow

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 6/17/2018 12:05 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The fact that energy spectra of atoms and the like are discrete does not change the fact that energy eigenvalues are a continuous set of delta functions on the real line. And generally, when one is

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

From: *dlb* mailto:bajlo...@gmail.com> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 1:49:27 PM UTC+2, Bruce wrote: From: *dlb* On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 11:20:49 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *The single event outcome in this world is certain. We measure it. Those in

Re: Mathematics as the result of natural selection

There are various animals with numerical and geometrical skills. Curiously some birds such as crows and parrots are very skilled. Dogs have considerable social skills and language comprehension, as I know from being a long term dog lover and owning 3, but they have almost no numerical and spati

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

The Schrödinger equation is integrable for completely unitary systems. This hold for Hamiltonians that are complex or nonlinear, where perturbation methods are often used. My thought is that all possible quantum eigenvalues are computable with Diophantine equations, where some Gödel numbering s

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 5:13 PM, wrote: ​>>​ >> Copenhagen which isn’t even wrong. Copenhagen isn’t weird its self >> contradictory, it says quantum mechanics is the theory of the world and >> everything must follow it, but when a measurement is made (which is so >> important to Copenhagen) it in

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sunday, June 17, 2018, wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:29:35 PM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:26 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: > >

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 5:12:24 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 1:12 AM, > > wrote: > > >> *​> ​since Maxwell's equations have advanced wave solutions, why do you >> prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation?* > > > I think Jason answered that quest

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:29:35 PM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:26 AM, > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: >>> * why do you prefer the MWI compared to

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

Hi Lawrence, Is the evolution of states of the wave function computable? If so then the result of MRDP implies it is Diophantine. Jason On Sunday, June 17, 2018, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > I have Matiyasevich's paper on the MRDP theorem. I have not as yet read > it. I have had this idea that a

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

I have Matiyasevich's paper on the MRDP theorem. I have not as yet read it. I have had this idea that a general scheme for quantum eigenvalues could by Diophantine. This would then be a sort of universal dovetailer of all possible physical states. Unfortunately this is an area I have thought ab

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/17/2018 12:05 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Lawrence Crowell* > On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:55:17 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 6/15/2018 6:46 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: I might be wrong here, but my point is that energy occurs in

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 1:12 AM, wrote: > *​> ​since Maxwell's equations have advanced wave solutions, why do you > prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation?* I think Jason answered that question very well. But who knows ​,​ the Transactional Interpretation could turn out to

Mathematics as the result of natural selection

"In the past decades, recent paradigm shifts in ethology, psychology, and the social sciences have given rise to various new disciplines like cognitive ethology and evolutionary psychology. These disciplines use concepts and theories of evolutionary biology to understand and explain the desi

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 1:49:27 PM UTC+2, Bruce wrote: > > From: dlb < bajl...@gmail.com > > > > On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 11:20:49 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> *The single event outcome in this world is certain. We measure it. Those >> in the other worlds are spe

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

A small correction: there was an error in the definition I have for the Fibonacci calculation. It should have been *(k^2 - kx - x^2)^2 - 1 = 0* Below is some Python code that searches for every solution where k and x are less than 100: for k in range(100): for x in range(100): if pow(k*

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:26 AM, wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> * why do you prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional >>> Interpretation? I see both as absurd. so I prefer to assume th

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch < jasonre...@gmail.com> > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, < > agrayson2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> * why do you prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation? >> I see both as absurd. so I prefer to

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

From: *dlb* mailto:bajlo...@gmail.com>> On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 11:20:49 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *The single event outcome in this world is certain. We measure it. Those in the other worlds are speculative at best, and DO give huma

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> why do you prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation? >>> I see both as absurd. so I prefer to assume the wf is

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, > wrote: * why do you prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation? I see both as absurd. so I prefer to assume the wf is just epistemic, and/or that we

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 11:20:49 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > *The single event outcome in this world is certain. We measure it. Those > in the other worlds are speculative at best, and DO give human beings the > power to create worlds. By choosing to do this or that quant

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, > > wrote: > >> >> >> * why do you prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation? >> I see both as absurd. so I prefer to assume the wf is just epistemic, >> and/or that we have so

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 2:05:58 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: > > From: Lawrence Crowell > > > > On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:55:17 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 6/15/2018 6:46 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> >> I might be wrong here, but my point is that energy occurs in discrete >> eigenv

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: > > > * why do you prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation? > I see both as absurd. so I prefer to assume the wf is just epistemic, > and/or that we have some holes in the CI which have yet to be resolved. AG * > > -- > 1. It's the si

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

From: *Lawrence Crowell* > On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:55:17 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 6/15/2018 6:46 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: I might be wrong here, but my point is that energy occurs in discrete eigenvalues and we never measure ener