Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-25 Thread meekerdb
On 11/25/2013 10:58 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: What do you mean by 'selected by our existence'? If, as seems likely, there are infinitely many universes, then the weak anthropic principle dictates that we will find ourselves in one in which the physics is such that we could evolve. Brent --

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-25 Thread Samiya Illias
So the physics of our Universe is fine-tuned to our evolution ? Sent from my iPhone On 26-Nov-2013, at 12:04 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/25/2013 10:58 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: What do you mean by 'selected by our existence'? If, as seems likely, there are infinitely

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
is wish fulfillment. Yes. Notably. I agree. It is the fuzzy belief that the Christian God does not exist, together with the belief in the Christian Matter. The debate between Atheists and Christians hides the deeper debate between Aristotle and Plato. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
the primitive or not existence of the physical reality. Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the physical reality? Bruno On 24 November 2013 04:56, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote: Atheism is wish fulfillment. Yes. Notably

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread Samiya Illias
of the physical reality. Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the physical reality? Bruno On 24 November 2013 04:56, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote: Atheism is wish fulfillment. Yes. Notably. I agree. It is the fuzzy

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread spudboy100
of the ass licking dying regime -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 4:40 am Subject: Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment On 24 Nov 2013, at 10:06, LizR wrote: To be exact it's the belief

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
the primitive or not existence of the physical reality. Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the physical reality? Bruno On 24 November 2013 04:56, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote: Atheism is wish fulfillment. Yes

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread John Mikes
and Plato, at least as far as I understand them. On 24 November 2013 04:56, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote: Atheism is wish fulfillment. Yes. Notably. I agree. It is the fuzzy belief that the Christian God does not exist

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread meekerdb
wrote: On 23 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote: Atheism is wish fulfillment. Yes. Notably. I agree. It is the fuzzy belief that the Christian God does not exist, together with the belief in the Christian Matter. The debate between Atheists and Christians hides

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
If it was just the Christian God then believers in Odin and the Ancient Romans and Egyptians and so on would all be atheists which seems a bit silly! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread meekerdb
On 11/24/2013 1:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Nov 2013, at 10:06, LizR wrote: To be exact it's the belief that no gods exist, i.e. that theism is wrong. But otherwise it does seem to echo Aristotle and Plato, at least as far as I understand them. Atheism is also the belief in NO

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
On 25 November 2013 10:53, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: That isn't a problem at all. It's just like the arguments about the existence of god; first you have to define what you mean by god before you can answer whether god exists or not. So what is the definition of physical reality?

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread Richard Ruquist
So far left out of this discussion is that the physical reality that we observe and derive physical laws for may be only 5% of the universe, the other 95% being comprised of Dark Energy and Dark Matter, which are actually just placeholders for the unknown. On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM,

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-24 Thread LizR
It seems unlikely that the nature of dark matter and dark energy will change the ontological status of matter generally. A materialist, for example, will assume that they are more of the same -- but less interactive, at least with our 5%. On 25 November 2013 13:08, Richard Ruquist

Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-23 Thread Roger Clough
Atheism is wish fulfillment. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote: Atheism is wish fulfillment. Yes. Notably. I agree. It is the fuzzy belief that the Christian God does not exist, together with the belief in the Christian Matter. The debate between Atheists and Christians hides the deeper debate

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