So far left out of this discussion is that the physical reality that we observe and derive physical laws for may be only 5% of the universe, the other 95% being comprised of Dark Energy and Dark Matter, which are actually just placeholders for the unknown.
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 11/24/2013 1:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 24 Nov 2013, at 10:06, LizR wrote: >> >> To be exact it's the belief that no gods exist, i.e. that "theism" is >>> wrong. But otherwise it does seem to echo Aristotle and Plato, at least as >>> far as I understand them. >>> >> >> >> Atheism is also the belief in NO afterlife, which is close to not making >> much sense to me (even without comp). This is well illustrated by the >> french philosophers like La Mettrie and Sade, defending the right to do >> what you want in your life (including torturing children and women), as you >> have only one life to profit on. It is part of the origin of the political >> materialism, implemented in both communism and capitalism, and indeed both >> are aggressive with any form of spiritualism, and confuse a rich life with >> a life of rich. >> >> The big conceptual difference between Aristotle and Plato is that in >> Aristotle there is a belief in a primitive material universe, where for >> Plato, the material universe is a shadow (an emanation, a border, a >> reflection, a projection,...) of something else (the one, God, the >> universal dream, etc.). >> >> It is the opposition between naturalism (materialism, physicalism), and >> the other conceptions of reality (which can still be rational, like with >> the antic greeks and Indians). >> >> Atheists and Christians are alike. They have the same conception of the >> creator (the first to deny it, the second to believe in it), and the same >> conception of the creation (a material universe). >> >> The real "religious" debate is about the primitive or not existence of >> the physical reality. Should we search, or not, for a reason behind the >> physical reality? >> > > That isn't a problem at all. It's just like the arguments about the > existence of god; first you have to define what you mean by "god" before > you can answer whether "god exists" or not. So what is the definition of > "physical reality"? It seems to me that "physical" only adds the concept > of shared/public. But Plato also intended his reality to be shared and > public. > > Brent > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
