On 23 Oct 2012, at 14:04, Roger Clough wrote:
Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's idealism, not that of Leibniz) is
the thesis that we cannot
prove that objects outside us exist. This results directly from
Descartes' proposition
that the only thing
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Stathis Papaioannou
>
> OK, but I think you are still left with the "I".
>
> "I doubted' still means there's an I present.
There's an "I" present but not necessarily a world to contain it,
which is what Kant set out to prove.
--
Stathi
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From: Stathis Papaioannou
Receiver: everything-list
Time: 2012-10-23, 17:51:43
Subject: Re: Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
>
>
Re: Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 02:47:12PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
> On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
> >
> >> 2) can be aware of having experiences that occur in a specific temporal
> >> order only if I perce
ROGER: > 2) I can be aware of having experiences that occur in a specific
temporal order only if I perceive
> something permanent by reference to which I can determine their
> temporal order. (premise)
RUSSELL: What motivates this premise?
ROGER: > The permanent entity could be the first
On 24 Oct 2012, at 02:01, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/23/2012 5:47 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
I have not met this argument before. I have comments interspersed.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 08:04:35AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Kant's Refutation of (Probl
On 10/23/2012 5:47 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
I have not met this argument before. I have comments interspersed.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 08:04:35AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's i
On 10/23/2012 3:20 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 02:47:12PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
2) can be aware of having experiences that occur in a specific temporal
order only if I perceive
something permanent by reference t
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 02:47:12PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
> On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
> >
> >> 2) can be aware of having experiences that occur in a specific
> >> temporal order only if I perceive
> >> something permanent by reference to which I can determine their
>
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
>
> Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's idealism, not that of Leibniz) is the
> thesis that we cannot
> prove that objects outside us exist. This results directly from Descartes'
> proposition
> that t
On 10/23/2012 2:39 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
I have not met this argument before. I have comments interspersed.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 08:04:35AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's idealism, not that of Leibniz) is the the
I have not met this argument before. I have comments interspersed.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 08:04:35AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
> Kant's Refutation of (Problematic) Idealism
>
> Problematic Idealism (Berkeley's idealism, not that of Leibniz) is the thesis
> that we cannot
> prove that objects o
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