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From: Richard Ruquist
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Time: 2012-12-24, 12:03:15
Subject: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index
Interesting Roger,
According to these charts the richest people have always increased their
wealth under democratic presidents whereas they have always
is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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From: Richard Ruquist
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Time: 2012-12-24, 12:03:15
Subject: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index
Interesting Roger,
According to these charts
Hi Roger :
Then Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_in_the_United_States
Hal
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Subject: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index
On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Taxing the rich does not redistribute the income, it adjusts the
expenses so that those who benefit disproportionately
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From: meekerdb
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Time: 2012-12-18, 14:23:12
Subject: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index
On 12/18/2012 7:05 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
More liberal misrepresentation of the truth. The
gini for the USA
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[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/19/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Time: 2012-12-18, 14:23:12
Subject: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index
On 12
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:04:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/18/2012 4:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Taxing the rich does not redistribute the
Allen
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From: Richard Ruquist
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Time: 2012-12-19, 11:43:55
Subject: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index
Hi Roger,
Show me the exponential data.
Richard
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Roger Clough rclo
On 12/19/2012 12:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:04:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/18/2012 4:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig
a century or more.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/19/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Time: 2012-12-19, 11:43:55
Subject: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion
I do not intend to 'clear up' on a nonexisting fairness Index.
Democracy is an oxymoron: NO CHANCE the entire populace (demos) could
exercise governance-power (cratos). There is a COMPROMISE in voting: what
do I prefer to vote for from other goals I put temporarily to sleep - and
who is the
On 12/19/2012 4:08 PM, meekerdb wrote:
Is there any indication of how much of that GDP number is actually
built on sovereign and private debt?
How would you define 'built-on'? If I borrow money to start a
business and the money comes from a pool that Japanese and Germans
invested in does
: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index
On 12/17/2012 1:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
But if the gini coefficient can actually change the growth rate, artificially
lowering
the gini coefficient by increased taxation of the rich (redistributing the
income)
hurts the growth rate, so we all get
On 12/18/2012 7:05 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
More liberal misrepresentation of the truth. The
gini for the USA is about average for the world.
But it's above the average, and the individual values, for the OECD AND it's been steadily
increasing since 1980 - when Ray-gun was
Hi Roger :
Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_distribution_in_the_United_States
Then Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_in_the_United_States
Hal
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On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Taxing the rich does not redistribute the income, it adjusts the
expenses so that those who benefit disproportionately from the public
resources pay their share for an
On 12/18/2012 4:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Taxing the rich does not redistribute the income, it adjusts the
expenses so that those who benefit
On Monday, December 17, 2012 4:41:32 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
To try to clear up my mistaken interpretation of the gini coefficient,
namely that USA inequality is not decreasing, it is actually increasing,
I find that the per capita wealth is also increasing, so
let's see what effect that
How about this: Everyone gets their taxes cut in half, and then double that
half is collected in addition but only by those whose total incomes
increased and to the proportion that they increased from the previous year.
Seems fair to me.
On Monday, December 17, 2012 4:41:32 PM UTC-5, rclough
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Taxing the rich does not redistribute the income, it adjusts the
expenses so that those who benefit disproportionately from the public
resources pay their share for an educated labor force, policed cities,
well maintained roads, bridges, ports,
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
We all get poorer by letting the richest turn the entire country into
indentured servants.
So, the people that are actually paying taxes are not the
indentured servants of those that are not actually paying taxes?
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Onward!
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On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
So first you were going to use the Gini as evidence that things are
improving for the average person - now that you see it means just the
opposite you try to claim that inflation actually makes the inequality
somehow better.
Wrong. Inflation
On 12/17/2012 5:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
How about this: Everyone gets their taxes cut in half, and then double
that half is collected in addition but only by those whose total
incomes increased and to the proportion that they increased from the
previous year. Seems fair to me.
How
On 12/17/2012 1:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
But if the gini coefficient can actually change the growth rate, artificially
lowering
the gini coefficient by increased taxation of the rich (redistributing the
income)
hurts the growth rate, so we all get poorer.
A Reaganomics myth. It wasn't true
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