Re: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-24, 12:03:15 Subject: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index Interesting Roger, According to these charts the richest people have always increased their wealth under democratic presidents whereas they have always

Re: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-24, 12:03:15 Subject: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index Interesting Roger, According to these charts

RE: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-21 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Roger : Then Try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_in_the_United_States Hal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send

Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Subject: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Taxing the rich does not redistribute the income, it adjusts the expenses so that those who benefit disproportionately

Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-18, 14:23:12 Subject: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index On 12/18/2012 7:05 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg More liberal misrepresentation of the truth. The gini for the USA

Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Richard Ruquist
. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-18, 14:23:12 Subject: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index On 12

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:04:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 4:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Taxing the rich does not redistribute the

Re: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Roger Clough
Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 11:43:55 Subject: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index Hi Roger, Show me the exponential data. Richard On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Roger Clough rclo

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 12:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:04:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/18/2012 4:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig

Re: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Richard Ruquist
a century or more. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/19/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-19, 11:43:55 Subject: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread John Mikes
I do not intend to 'clear up' on a nonexisting fairness Index. Democracy is an oxymoron: NO CHANCE the entire populace (demos) could exercise governance-power (cratos). There is a COMPROMISE in voting: what do I prefer to vote for from other goals I put temporarily to sleep - and who is the

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-19 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/19/2012 4:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: Is there any indication of how much of that GDP number is actually built on sovereign and private debt? How would you define 'built-on'? If I borrow money to start a business and the money comes from a pool that Japanese and Germans invested in does

Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-18 Thread Roger Clough
: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index On 12/17/2012 1:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote: But if the gini coefficient can actually change the growth rate, artificially lowering the gini coefficient by increased taxation of the rich (redistributing the income) hurts the growth rate, so we all get

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-18 Thread meekerdb
On 12/18/2012 7:05 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg More liberal misrepresentation of the truth. The gini for the USA is about average for the world. But it's above the average, and the individual values, for the OECD AND it's been steadily increasing since 1980 - when Ray-gun was

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-18 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Roger : Try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_distribution_in_the_United_States Then Try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_in_the_United_States Hal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Taxing the rich does not redistribute the income, it adjusts the expenses so that those who benefit disproportionately from the public resources pay their share for an

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-18 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/18/2012 4:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Taxing the rich does not redistribute the income, it adjusts the expenses so that those who benefit

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, December 17, 2012 4:41:32 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: To try to clear up my mistaken interpretation of the gini coefficient, namely that USA inequality is not decreasing, it is actually increasing, I find that the per capita wealth is also increasing, so let's see what effect that

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-17 Thread Craig Weinberg
How about this: Everyone gets their taxes cut in half, and then double that half is collected in addition but only by those whose total incomes increased and to the proportion that they increased from the previous year. Seems fair to me. On Monday, December 17, 2012 4:41:32 PM UTC-5, rclough

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Taxing the rich does not redistribute the income, it adjusts the expenses so that those who benefit disproportionately from the public resources pay their share for an educated labor force, policed cities, well maintained roads, bridges, ports,

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: We all get poorer by letting the richest turn the entire country into indentured servants. So, the people that are actually paying taxes are not the indentured servants of those that are not actually paying taxes? -- Onward! Stephen --

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: So first you were going to use the Gini as evidence that things are improving for the average person - now that you see it means just the opposite you try to claim that inflation actually makes the inequality somehow better. Wrong. Inflation

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/17/2012 5:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: How about this: Everyone gets their taxes cut in half, and then double that half is collected in addition but only by those whose total incomes increased and to the proportion that they increased from the previous year. Seems fair to me. How

Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-17 Thread meekerdb
On 12/17/2012 1:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote: But if the gini coefficient can actually change the growth rate, artificially lowering the gini coefficient by increased taxation of the rich (redistributing the income) hurts the growth rate, so we all get poorer. A Reaganomics myth. It wasn't true