Re: Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-15 Thread Roger Clough
so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 11:52:52 Subject: Re: imaginary numbers in comp On 9/14/2012 6:38 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi John Clark The difference is that a computer has

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-15 Thread Stephen P. King
-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-09-14, 11:52:52 *Subject:* Re: imaginary numbers in comp On 9/14/2012 6:38 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi John Clark The difference is that a computer has no intelligence, cannot deal with qualia, and is not alive. Dear Roger

Re: Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-14 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 15:58:20 Subject: Re: imaginary numbers in comp On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: This is the symbol grounding problem pointed out by Searle's Chinese Room I've said it before I'll say it again,? Searle's

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Sep 2012, at 22:08, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:58:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: This is the symbol grounding problem pointed out by Searle's Chinese Room I've said it before

Re: Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-14 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 13:15:54 Subject: Re: imaginary numbers in comp On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: I reject comp, because it cannot access feelings or qualities And you have deduced this by using

Re: Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-14 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2012-09-13, 12:11:51 Subject: Re: imaginary numbers in comp This is why I reject comp, because it cannot access feelings or qualities, whereas feelings can and do access arithmetic (even directly as rhythm, music, some forms of visual art, etc). Because we know about feelings, we

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
, 15:58:20 *Subject:* Re: imaginary numbers in comp On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: This is the symbol grounding problem pointed out by Searle's Chinese Room I've said it before I'll say

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/14/2012 6:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Sep 2012, at 22:08, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:58:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: This is the symbol

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 13:15:54 Subject: Re: imaginary numbers in comp On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: I reject comp, because it cannot access feelings or qualities And you have deduced this by using

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-14 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sept 13, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The menu is not the meal. In other words X is not X and that is perfectly true, use and mention are indeed not the same, but they are closely related. To my mind, the fact that you have particular animus toward the Chinese

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:25 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sept 13, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The menu is not the meal. In other words X is not X and that is perfectly true, use and mention are indeed not the same, but they are closely

imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-13 Thread Roger Clough
Hi everything-list Since human thought and perception consists of both a logical quantitative or objective component as well as a feelings-spiritual qualitative or subjective components, would it make any sense to do comp using complex numbers, where the real part is the objective part of the

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
This is why I reject comp, because it cannot access feelings or qualities, whereas feelings can and do access arithmetic (even directly as rhythm, music, some forms of visual art, etc). Because we know about feelings, we can project that knowledge on top of arithmetic ideas and conceive of

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Sep 2012, at 17:44, Roger Clough wrote: Hi everything-list Since human thought and perception consists of both a logical quantitative or objective component as well as a feelings-spiritual qualitative or subjective components, would it make any sense to do comp using complex

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-13 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: I reject comp, because it cannot access feelings or qualities And you have deduced this by using the nothing but fallacy: even the largest computer is nothing but a collection of on and off switches. Never mind that

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:15:56 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I reject comp, because it cannot access feelings or qualities And you have deduced this by using the nothing but fallacy: even the

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-13 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/13/2012 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:15:56 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I reject comp, because it cannot access feelings or qualities And you

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-13 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: would it make any sense to do comp using complex numbers, where the real part is the objective part of the mental the imaginary part is the subjective part of the mental The names real and imaginary are unfortunate because

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-13 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: This is the symbol grounding problem pointed out by Searle's Chinese Room I've said it before I'll say it again, Searle's Chinese Room is the single stupidest thought experiment ever devised by the mind of man. Of

Re: imaginary numbers in comp

2012-09-13 Thread Brian Tenneson
We might as well just use ordered pairs of integers or rational numbers. On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:45:53 AM UTC-7, rclough wrote: Hi everything-list Since human thought and perception consists of both a logical quantitative or objective component as well as a feelings-spiritual