On 23 Mar 2012, at 22:14, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote:
> You are still avoiding the WM duplication.
There is no spliting in Many Worlds unless something is different,
if 2 universes are identical then they have merged and there is now
only one universe.
On 23 Mar 2012, at 17:34, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno:
thanks for the considerate reply. Let me pick some of your sentences:
2^16 parallel universes needed to implement the
quantum superposition - used in Shor's quantum algorithm
to find the prime factors of numbers.
On Mar 24, 4:32 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 23 Mar 2012, at 00:06, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> >>> How does a digital artificial intelligence make sense of it's world
> >>> without converting or sampling every truth about that world
> >>> available
> >>> to it into digital?
>
> >> First, the fact t
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> From a 3rd POV, there is no indeterminacy,
>From a "3rd POV" there is ALWAYS indeterminacy, we don't know for sure what
the thing we're looking at will do. From a "1 POV" there is ALWAYS
indeterminacy, we don't know for sure what we will
2012/3/24 John Clark
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>
> > From a 3rd POV, there is no indeterminacy,
>
>
> From a "3rd POV" there is ALWAYS indeterminacy,
>
No in the f***ing though experiment you always want to change as you see
fit.
> we don't know for sure what th
On 24 Mar 2012, at 18:44, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux
wrote:
> From a 3rd POV, there is no indeterminacy,
From a "3rd POV" there is ALWAYS indeterminacy, we don't know for
sure what the thing we're looking at will do. From a "1 POV" there
is ALWAY
Bruno, I did not branch out into the 1st line of my 1st quote of your
sentence.
Not that 2^16 is 'a' number, but "parallel" gives the idea of identicity
(at least in main qualia) which are (both) human talk. (Of course that's
what we can do).
I am glad that you agreed with my (generalized!) remark.
On 3/24/2012 12:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> You keep asking who is this "you"
Yes.
> it is the usual you, as the one you use in your everyday
The word "you" works fine in the usual everyday world,
No, please answer the last part of the message. The everyday wo
On 3/24/2012 12:58 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Google on "theaetetus".
Socrates asked to Theaetetus to define "knowledge". Theatetus gives many definitions
that Socrates critizes/refutes, each of them. One of them consists in defining knowledge
by belief, in "modern time" the mental state, or the
Stephen, thanks for a new English word for me: caterwauling. I like it.
Sun'ichi Amari writes in a field I do not intend to penetrate and I have a
hard time to comprehend videos - even if they are not in Japanese-English.
I confess: I did not find too much connection in your text to my post.
Maybe
On 3/24/2012 4:47 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Stephen, thanks for a new English word for me: caterwauling. I like it.
Sun'ichi Amari writes in a field I do not intend to penetrate and I
have a hard time to comprehend videos - even if they are not in
Japanese-English.
I confess: I did not find too muc
Hi Stephen,
I am not sure if I completely understand you. My question was rather
what happens in Nature if we assume that its mathematical model includes
bifurcations and/or symmetry breaking.
Do you know a simple mathematical model with bifurcations and/or
symmetry breaking? It might be goo
Look up the literature on catastrophe theory. There were many examples
of just these phenomena cooked up (particularly by Zimmerman IIRC)
some good, many not so good. I'm sure you should be able to find
something appropriate - maybe the appearance of Benard cells for
instance.
Cheers
On Sat, Mar
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >Then what the hell IS the point you are making?
>>
>
> > That comp entails 1-indeterminacy.
>
Comp entails indeterminacy PERIOD. Give me a example of 2 conscious beings
that are identical by what you call "3-view" but NOT identical by what you
call "
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> In the WM experience(s), what causes the first person difference is the
> first person differentiation, into living in W and living in M.
>
Yes, but then the 2 will have different experiences and have different
memories and their brain woul
Hi Evgenii,
You might also find Stephen Wolfram's work with cellular automate
replete with examples of bifurcations and symmetry breaking. My thought
was considering how to construct models of the behavior of bifurcating
and symmetry breaking systems. I was thinking in second-order terms,
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